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Korean EV's are comparable if not better than Tesla, so not too surprising. Seems like less of gamble to get a Kia or Hyundai EV when you consider long term su

Korean EV's are comparable if not better than Tesla, so not too surprising. Seems like less of gamble to get a Kia or Hyundai EV when you consider long term support.

LUmBULtERA 3y ago
I don't know, there are reports (e.g., 0/) of people being quoted obscene amounts (60k CAD?) for Ioniq 5 battery replacements not under warranty. I've seen costs ranging from 15-20k for Tesla battery replacements. There are definitely mixed reviews of Tesla support, but I'd be pretty concerned (if not more so) with support from both Kia and Hyundai as well. 0/ https://www.ioniqforum.com/threads/60k-to-replace-main-battery.48339/ https://www.ioniqforum.com/threads/60k-to-replace-main-batte...
- judge2020 3y ago
  Battery replacements after the initial warranty period are often uneconomical in the same way engine replacements are uneconomical after the initial warranty period. And in both cases, there are historical accounts of the components lasting well beyond their expected lifetime as well as dying fairly quickly after the warranty runs out.
  - LUmBULtERA 3y ago
    ...Okay? These quotes were when Hyundai decided that the warranty did not cover supposed damage to the batteries. But either way, unwarrantied battery replacement costs of 60k CAD is obscene. On an otherwise new Tesla, a 15-20k (USD) replacement would still be economic but the Ioniq 5 is just going to be "totaled".
- xattt 3y ago
  Tangential, but I recently realized these car-based forums (Ioniq forum, Kia forums, Ford forums, etc) aren’t run by enthusiasts but rather a single entity, Fora (1). This is not to say that all communities are synthetic. VWwatercooled as an example has been around forever. (1) https://fora.com/about/ https://fora.com/about/
  - LUmBULtERA 3y ago
    Oh fair. I just saw credible reports floating around about these unwarrantied repairs and looked for something referencing this. I have not seen any statements from Hyundai refuting the claims. If indeed battery replacements are available at reasonable prices, I'd be happy to know this.
    - xattt 3y ago
      I agree the complaints are genuine. I thought it was an interesting strategy to camp out on a whole bunch of domain names to set up make or model-specific forums that replicate a “community feel”.
- tempestn 3y ago
  I'm not sure why you're being downvoted. Multiple customers corroborated the extremely high quotes for Hyundai battery replacements: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEXieo06ta8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEXieo06ta8
  - kccqzy 3y ago
    I'm guessing the downvotes are because almost nobody is paying this price. If someone hits you and your battery is damaged, you use the liability insurance of that someone. If you are careless yourself, you use your own collision insurance. If a natural disaster like flood damages the battery you use the comprehensive insurance. That's why people only care about the deductible and the premium of the insurance, not the full cost. When you buy a non-electric car, do you even reasonably consider the cost of a potential replacement of the entire engine just in case it needs to be replaced? No? Then case settled. This kind of extreme cost is not at all a reasonable criterion for any normal car buyer.
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
Koreans tend to like their own cars. Hyundai/Kia make up vast majority of car sales in Korea, so it isn't weird that the EV transition remains the same. It isn't a big enough market to go all in on like China; and you can argue that China's EVs are pretty good as well.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  > Koreans tend to like their own cars You end up paying a 15-20% tax on a foreign car versus domestic in Korea, and domestic cars have a tax rebate in Korea. This is why a foreign mid-model car like Tesla or Lexus or Mercedes is a status symbol there.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    Curious, why don't we reciprocate the tax on Korean cars? The US government isn't known for being very understanding on these things even for allies? Or are Kia/Hyundai mostly making cars for the USA outside of Korea?
    - alephnerd 3y ago
      > Or are Kia/Hyundai mostly making cars for the USA outside of Korea? This. Alabama for Hyundai and Georgia for Kia

Korean EV's are comparable if not better than Tesla, so not too surprising. Seems like less of gamble to get a Kia or Hyundai EV when you consider long term support.

LUmBULtERA 3y ago

I don't know, there are reports (e.g., 0/) of people being quoted obscene amounts (60k CAD?) for Ioniq 5 battery replacements not under warranty. I've seen costs ranging from 15-20k for Tesla battery replacements. There are definitely mixed reviews of Tesla support, but I'd be pretty concerned (if not more so) with support from both Kia and Hyundai as well. 0/ https://www.ioniqforum.com/threads/60k-to-replace-main-battery.48339/ https://www.ioniqforum.com/threads/60k-to-replace-main-batte...

judge2020 3y ago
Battery replacements after the initial warranty period are often uneconomical in the same way engine replacements are uneconomical after the initial warranty period. And in both cases, there are historical accounts of the components lasting well beyond their expected lifetime as well as dying fairly quickly after the warranty runs out.
- LUmBULtERA 3y ago
  ...Okay? These quotes were when Hyundai decided that the warranty did not cover supposed damage to the batteries. But either way, unwarrantied battery replacement costs of 60k CAD is obscene. On an otherwise new Tesla, a 15-20k (USD) replacement would still be economic but the Ioniq 5 is just going to be "totaled".
xattt 3y ago
Tangential, but I recently realized these car-based forums (Ioniq forum, Kia forums, Ford forums, etc) aren’t run by enthusiasts but rather a single entity, Fora (1). This is not to say that all communities are synthetic. VWwatercooled as an example has been around forever. (1) https://fora.com/about/ https://fora.com/about/
- LUmBULtERA 3y ago
  Oh fair. I just saw credible reports floating around about these unwarrantied repairs and looked for something referencing this. I have not seen any statements from Hyundai refuting the claims. If indeed battery replacements are available at reasonable prices, I'd be happy to know this.
  - xattt 3y ago
    I agree the complaints are genuine. I thought it was an interesting strategy to camp out on a whole bunch of domain names to set up make or model-specific forums that replicate a “community feel”.
tempestn 3y ago
I'm not sure why you're being downvoted. Multiple customers corroborated the extremely high quotes for Hyundai battery replacements: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEXieo06ta8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEXieo06ta8
- kccqzy 3y ago
  I'm guessing the downvotes are because almost nobody is paying this price. If someone hits you and your battery is damaged, you use the liability insurance of that someone. If you are careless yourself, you use your own collision insurance. If a natural disaster like flood damages the battery you use the comprehensive insurance. That's why people only care about the deductible and the premium of the insurance, not the full cost. When you buy a non-electric car, do you even reasonably consider the cost of a potential replacement of the entire engine just in case it needs to be replaced? No? Then case settled. This kind of extreme cost is not at all a reasonable criterion for any normal car buyer.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

Koreans tend to like their own cars. Hyundai/Kia make up vast majority of car sales in Korea, so it isn't weird that the EV transition remains the same. It isn't a big enough market to go all in on like China; and you can argue that China's EVs are pretty good as well.

alephnerd 3y ago
> Koreans tend to like their own cars You end up paying a 15-20% tax on a foreign car versus domestic in Korea, and domestic cars have a tax rebate in Korea. This is why a foreign mid-model car like Tesla or Lexus or Mercedes is a status symbol there.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  Curious, why don't we reciprocate the tax on Korean cars? The US government isn't known for being very understanding on these things even for allies? Or are Kia/Hyundai mostly making cars for the USA outside of Korea?
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    > Or are Kia/Hyundai mostly making cars for the USA outside of Korea? This. Alabama for Hyundai and Georgia for Kia