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> I know they would be easily scammed by shady apps that don't have to pass through the App Store's review process. My entire family uses F-Droid on ungoogled

> I know they would be easily scammed by shady apps that don't have to pass through the App Store's review process. My entire family uses F-Droid on ungoogled Androids. They have much less chances to be scammed/exploited because F-Droid is community-run and is explicit about anti-features in the store UI. There just isn't any malware/scam on F-Droid to be scammed with, because the community decides what apps to add and the community server builds them. Pretending There Is No Alternative ® to Apple monopolistic practices is misleading to say the least.

dzhiurgis 3y ago
How do you go about modern luxuries like opening and charging your car, controlling your home, paying, using public transport, chatting, using digital id, flying a drone...?
tuyiown 3y ago
> They have much less chances to be scammed/exploited because F-Droid is community-run and is explicit about anti-features in the store UI. That, but also because it's a niche that has not been targeted by malevolence. Enjoy it while it last.
- southerntofu 3y ago
  Debian and other distro repositories would like to disagree. When the packager doesn't provide the final build, it becomes much harder for malware/adware to reach end users. Not technically impossible, but much harder than direct-to-users stores such as Apple AppStore or Flathub where it is trivial because whatever binary the uploader provides ends up directly running on user machines.
  - tuyiown 3y ago
    That works fine until hostiles manages to trick users to install their software directly or, to get back to the topic, their own app store or browser. I find it quite ironic that the discussion circles back to the level of lock down on "supported" app distribution channels.
matwood 3y ago
You have laid out Apple's argument for them. Android offers a more open experience in the market, and the market should then decide which to use. Users have a choice today and in the EU, ~66% of users have chosen Android. I think Apple is dumb for not adjusting here ahead of time, because they have pushed the government to come up with poorly thought out laws like the DMA.
- MagnumOpus 3y ago
  The other users who already spent the money paying for Apple-made devices should also enjoy the experience without having Apple lock them in to charge 30% for services subsequently. That sort of leveraging market position to extort extra money from previous buyers is part of what antitrust is designed to forestall/fix.

dzhiurgis 3y ago

How do you go about modern luxuries like opening and charging your car, controlling your home, paying, using public transport, chatting, using digital id, flying a drone...?

tuyiown 3y ago

> They have much less chances to be scammed/exploited because F-Droid is community-run and is explicit about anti-features in the store UI. That, but also because it's a niche that has not been targeted by malevolence. Enjoy it while it last.

southerntofu 3y ago
Debian and other distro repositories would like to disagree. When the packager doesn't provide the final build, it becomes much harder for malware/adware to reach end users. Not technically impossible, but much harder than direct-to-users stores such as Apple AppStore or Flathub where it is trivial because whatever binary the uploader provides ends up directly running on user machines.
- tuyiown 3y ago
  That works fine until hostiles manages to trick users to install their software directly or, to get back to the topic, their own app store or browser. I find it quite ironic that the discussion circles back to the level of lock down on "supported" app distribution channels.

matwood 3y ago

You have laid out Apple's argument for them. Android offers a more open experience in the market, and the market should then decide which to use. Users have a choice today and in the EU, ~66% of users have chosen Android. I think Apple is dumb for not adjusting here ahead of time, because they have pushed the government to come up with poorly thought out laws like the DMA.

MagnumOpus 3y ago
The other users who already spent the money paying for Apple-made devices should also enjoy the experience without having Apple lock them in to charge 30% for services subsequently. That sort of leveraging market position to extort extra money from previous buyers is part of what antitrust is designed to forestall/fix.