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Vision Pro Teardown – Why those fake eyes look so weird
- jsheard 3y agoHas anyone figured out what the main lenses are made of yet? VR lenses are usually plastic to keep the cost and weight down, so you have to be careful when cleaning them, but Apple wasn't overly concerned with cost or weight when designing this.
- yieldcrv 3y agoThe counterpoint to the weight criticism is that other leading headsets are heavier just balanced in the back more. Apple will probably do something to distribute weight to make it less noticeable too
- kfarr 3y agoOr at least through third party head straps.
- carl_sandland 3y agoa bit of velcro on the battery attached to the rear of the strap? that should balance it out a bit.
- _kb 3y agoGenius. Such a ground breaking, original, and industry defining idea is even patent worthy: https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2023215248 https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO20....
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoI'll never understand why Apple feel the need to act as a patent troll. Their brand is so powerful they could take any electronic device, slap their logo on it and sell it to a huge amount of people at much more profit margin than most companies that make functional things can get away with. Maybe this is just to Apple's patent lawyers what pointless UI redesigns is to frontend devs. Gotta do something.
- _kb 3y agoI'd hazard a guess this may be primarily for protection from patent trolls and as a mitigation for accidental patent violation. It's likely cheaper to gratuitously patent than risk ceasing production or sale of products.
- wyager 3y agoThat's what we do for night vision goggles. https://tnvc.com/shop/ab-night-vision-lpbp-go/ https://tnvc.com/shop/ab-night-vision-lpbp-go/
- barkerja 3y agoNVGs are also typically designed to be attached to a kevlar (combat helmet).
- Ancapistani 3y agoMine are usually mounted to a Crye Nightcap: https://www.cryeprecision.com/NightCap https://www.cryeprecision.com/NightCap Basically, you need either balance or more points of contact. As long as it’s solidly attached you’re good.
- bemusedthrow75 3y agoI would be a little surprised if they weren't PMMA or something like it. It's such a useful material for complex applications like this.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoPara-methoxy-methamphetamine? Seems like a dangerous choice.
- TillE 3y agoI was a little surprised to see not one but two huge fans. Reviewers have mentioned hearing no fan noise, but maybe they crank up a little if you really push the GPU + CPU with a 3D game.
- rowanG077 3y agoProbably precisely why they use two fans. Have them really silently instead of one audibly.
- georgemcbay 3y agoAlso probably why they are relatively big for a device of this size. If you're designing for a specific airflow target, making the fans larger lets you make them quieter because they can spin slower than smaller fans while displacing the same amount of air.
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- easeout 3y agoThat and there are two major chips, the R1 and M2, acting as distinct heat sources. I don't know if they would spin the fans up and down independently, but the two chips' heat output could differ over time.
- coffeebeqn 3y agoAny PC builder can tell you that the bigger and more fans you get the quieter and slower rpm they can run
- polyomino 3y agoBut also more weight
- MBCook 3y agoSomeone managed to get a mention of them out of someone at Apple a while ago. Not only are they quiet, but the EarPods (built in headphones) do active noise cancellation against them for the person wearing the Vision Pro.
- throwing_away 3y agoThat x-ray shot made me thinking I was looking at the head of a futuristic robot. In some ways, I guess I am.
- frabjoused 3y agoHer third eye on the left of the lenticular lens was interesting.
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- threeseed 3y agoThe cable is not supposed to be user-replaceable. And the reason it's not USB-C is because it needs to have a locking mechanism and be ultra-robust at the ends. I've never seen a USB-C cable with either.
- al_borland 3y agoFrom what I saw, a SIM ejector and allow the user to disconnect the cable. This is more trivia than anything, since it’s a unique connector. I think the bigger reason behind locking the cable to the battery pack, is the same reason the cable locks to the headset. They don’t want it to come unplugged while you’re using it. If the pack falls out of your pocket, it would probably better for it to catch itself and hang, than come unplugged.
- nucleardog 3y ago> while everyone else manages with a single USB-C cable for everything. Which brand and model of cable is that so I can go buy myself a couple dozen? I’ve got a whole bin of seemingly identical cables here and usually have to try several before I can get devices to connect properly.
- pests 3y agoThe expensive Apple 1m USB-C I believe is a full-featured cable and you pay for it. A lot of the cables that get included with devices only supports the subset of features that device needs - sometimes down to just power delivery only. Cables are much more complicated now with embedded chips and so on so you need to select and use them as if they were any other electronic you would spend time reviewing the specs or comparisons on.
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- airstrike 3y agoFor the YT inclined, here's a video review by MBKHD which I found super helpful earlier today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtp6b76pMak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtp6b76pMak
- michaelbuckbee 3y agoI liked that and would recommend pairing it with the review from Casey Neistat - which is much less technical and more "vibes" https://youtu.be/UvkgmyfMPks https://youtu.be/UvkgmyfMPks
- gandalfgreybeer 3y agoThanks for sharing. Now I really want one despite knowing all the limitations and problems. It always looked so dystopian to me but for some reason I just want to play with it.
- GuestHNUser 3y agoThis is a great review. I love the cuts between what he is seeing in the vision pro vs reality. I can't get over how delusional the wearer looks using it in public. That moment on the staircase when he is sending a text, for instance, looks uncanny in a way that texting doesn't. It'll be interesting to see how the vision pro will be used by the general public.
- Gigachad 3y agoIt'll be like how people looked crazy talking to themselves with airpods in. Once enough people do it, no one will notice.
- 5350-uiop-1130 3y ago> MBKHD most of the big YT "review" accounts are just giving you a list of reasons to buy {product}.
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- blackoil 3y agoIf it has to be tethered to external battery always, why not move processing and fans to that also?
- airstrike 3y agoI suppose it's easier to cool something off your forehead than off your pocket, even if that means extra weight -- it's lighter than other VR devices (although maybe that's not a particularly high (low?) bar
- jayd16 3y agoWhat other devices? It's heavier than the Quest 1/2/3 and the PSVR2. The Quest Pro is heavier but more balanced with the battery on the back of the rigid strap. You're right about cooling. It would go from something you can pocket to something that has to be clipped on a belt like the Magic Leap.
- jsheard 3y agoI would imagine they didn't want to have an external pack and that's just a compromise they had to make for this initial version, with the intention of getting rid of it in a future iteration. It wouldn't be worth overcomplicating the external pack if they don't see that as the way forward. A "Vision Air" that exchanges the glass and most of the metal structure for plastic, and maybe ditches the underwhelming front display, but integrates the battery like the Quests would be a pretty good trade IMO.
- karlgkk 3y agoThe front display is underwhelming, but it also lets you have a conversation with someone else in the room. When you're wearing it, it's easy to forget it's there while talking with people. That was something that was hard to do with previous headsets, such as Valve's Index. I honestly think that the front display is going to become something that every other vendor replicates in some way.
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- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago$800 to repair cracked glass and $2400 to repair "other damage". Make it make sense, Apple.
- arrrg 3y agoHow this can make sense: They have a process for exchanging the cover glass, they don’t have a process for exchanging anything else, meaning you will always get a replacement device. $2400 is just the price for the device minus the profit margin (would be a 31% margin, which fits with Apple‘s typical margins).
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoThat's what I thought at first, but the teardown revealed a lot of different parts internally, more than I've come to expect from Apple products. And the only absurdly breakable part seemed to be removing the glass.
- arrrg 3y agoOh, I don’t want to claim that it‘s not repairable, I’m just saying that for now they only have procedures in place for the front glass. Doesn’t mean they won’t establish procedures for other repairs in the future or find ways to reuse parts in refurbished (repair replacement) devices in the future.
- scotty79 3y agoI wonder how light could be vr glasses if they moved everything except the displays to separate pack connected to the glasses with short thin flexible cable. I'd prefer to carry the weight on the back or as a necklace or a collar than all of it on my head. How thin display port cable could be if it was optimised for sinhle purpose and lenght of up to half a meter?
- polyomino 3y agohttps://www.visor.com/ https://www.visor.com/
- scotty79 3y agoPretty scarce on the tech details but interesting. We'll see what actually comes out.
- dpig_ 3y agoI regularly switch between the Quest and the PSVR2. The Quest has a whole system running on your forehead, while the PSVR2 is always-wired, and leverages the PS5 for compute. The difference in weight is phenomenal. I would absolutely love to have all of that extra stuff offloaded into a pocket pack. Or, at the very least, parked behind the head as a counterbalance.
- dwaite 3y agoin addition to the latency of serializing things over the cable, that would essentially be a Mac mini. They surely could make the size work, but it would need active cooling to keep the temperature in a usable range and that wouldn't work inside a pocket.
- dpig_ 3y agoPeople are very happy to play competitive VR shooters over a cable, so I can't imagine latency would be an issue broadly. Fair point w/r/t cooling. Again, I think distributing components around the whole head, rather than 100% on the face, is the way to go.
- serf 3y agoliterally the only selling feature that has worked towards making me appreciate the vision pro is the automatic IPD adjustment; but that adjustment is so trivial (and never touched again) on other headsets that it seems like needless weight, especially given the front-heavy nature of a battery-free headset. also I think it's pretty crummy to throw in a proprietary battery plug when there isn't some power profile requirement to do so; it's just strictly anti-consumer.
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- bastawhiz 3y ago> I think it's pretty crummy to throw in a proprietary battery plug when there isn't some power profile requirement to do so I'm not one to defend Apple, but what else would they use? USB? Folks would just use whatever cord they have lying around, and it probably wouldn't work. USB, for how incredibly amazing it is, has so many incompatible cables that aren't labeled in any way that it's almost a certainty that folks would get it wrong. And with the number of noncompliant cables and chargers out there, you'd already be reading about people frying their brand new Vision Pro devices by plugging them into the wrong thing. At the very least, if you use a knock off Vision Pro battery cable and it fries your device, it's because the cable is manufactured in a grossly negligent way and not because the wrong combination of items were innocently chosen.
- riffraff 3y agoI agree that it made sense from a pragmatic point of view, but airpods and ipads come with USB-C and I've never heard a story of anyone frying them with a random cable. I mean, surely it happens but it seems a pretty low frequency event. I feel the intersection of the set of people buying really expensive apple stuff, those who get really cheap USB-C cables, and also not being aware of the issue, is somewhat small.
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- lawgimenez 3y agoI think this is the first review that mentions there might be some issues with people who have astigmatism? Like me.
- zaptrem 3y agoThe Zeis Lens inserts support cylinder prescriptions just fine (and I can verify this as I tried them in store), so idk what the author was talking about.
- wtallis 3y agoA lot of people seem to think astigmatism is the term for needing a prism prescription, or that astigmatism is somewhat rare.
- astrange 3y agoIf you can wear toric contacts or get the prescription inserts then it's fine.
- rcarmo 3y agoI’m curious as to the limits. I have very high myopia (10+ diopters) and would never consider a VR headset where I can’t wear my glasses.
- bemusedthrow75 3y agoI know this won't be iFixit's answer but maybe we should converge on the idea that it's because faking someone's eyes on a screen when their real eyes are just behind it is a genuinely sick, actively dystopian idea that is intended to offset the sense that they've developed a piece of technology that allows people to selectively pay attention to a human in the same room, even though they are marketing it to people who spent all that energy amplifying the idea of the "glasshole"?
- graypegg 3y agoThis is easily the thing that makes me most uncomfortable, no matter how much it could be improved. The ick-factor of it all is difficult to describe, and if it doesn’t bother others, I’m not even really capable of arguing why it matters to me. There’s functionally very little difference from an “immersion dial” and a person who puts on noise cancelling headphones and uses their phone with intent to disconnect for a bit. I know. As much as it makes me feel like some angry senior who dislikes the kids and their phones… I don’t like it.
- bemusedthrow75 3y agoIt is just unavoidably creepy, and yet it was excitably launched with a video that was the most dystopian, unsettling portrayal of the target consumer's life. It so profoundly undermines what Apple is; no other Apple product has ever been remotely "hell is other people", especially not "hell is other people who are in the room with you". I think there's a lot more than just the airpods comparison that i've seen elsewhere, too. Because the people with the Apple eyes are using fake eyes; it is not filtered attention, it is actual misdirection. Though I personally find having a conversation with people who won't take their airpods out is a sign that I am having a conversation with someone who devalues interacting with humans.
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- sleepybrett 3y agodo you have to use the battery? Does it have a passthrough for a power adapter?
- judge2020 3y agoYou must use the battery but the battery has USB-C. Although it will slowly lose power while using if you only supply 5v1a via a USB-A to USB-C cable, using a more powerful brick is required to gain battery during usage.
- sleepybrett 3y agowell sure, i have a 65w usbc supply in my bag at all time though. Good to know you can workaround the battery though.
- ksec 3y agoNot Seen this is being discussed anywhere. The Lighting in [1], actually shows 3 different pins count. The common / original with 8 pins. the much larger one on the right has 10 pins, while the middle one has 12 pins, the same pin count as USB-C. I would assume their dimensions would be similar as well. I actually wish it was the middle 12-Pins Lightning to be opened spec and used rather than USB-C. Along with that Sim-Lock or a push button-lock design. [1] https://valkyrie.cdn.ifixit.com/media/2024/02/03134020/AVP_TD_EDITED_35-37-edited-1200x800.jpg https://valkyrie.cdn.ifixit.com/media/2024/02/03134020/AVP_T...
- klausa 3y agoThere's also a higher-pin variant of the chonky boi on the very right, that plugs into the headset for debugging purposes: https://9to5mac.com/2024/02/02/apple-selling-300-developer-strap-with-usb-c-port-for-vision-pro/ https://9to5mac.com/2024/02/02/apple-selling-300-developer-s...
- tommoor 3y agoSo, do we think there is a path to using some future version of the transparent OLED's that were being shown off at CES here? If the same density can be achieved you can imagine how much simpler the entire device would get with just a transparent screen – you'd have to move the rest of the electronics into the edges but that seems very doable.
- mort96 3y agoThat feels like it'd cause light bleed issues when you want it to act as a proper VR headset? Can you make transparent OLEDs which can go fully 100% opaque when desired?
- daemonologist 3y agoXreal (Nreal) has a product using electrochromic glass which apparently works pretty well although doesn't quite become completely opaque; that might be an option. I think Apple isn't really interested in VR though, so they might accept some light bleed in a "just glasses" form factor Vision product.
- mort96 3y agoProper VR is an important aspect of the device. The main focus is on the "spatial" AR-style experience, but there's also a lot of focus placed on being able to be in a completely virtual environment in both the marketing materials and the OS. I don't think something which "works pretty well but doesn't quite become completely opaque" sounds good enough, especially for something whose only real advantage is possibly slightly improving how the wearer looks to others. For a different product that's glasses instead of a VR headset, sure, it might work (although I don't see why you'd want to go semi-opaque at all with glasses really, it won't be close to an immersive VR-style experience anyway?)
- wrsh07 3y agoAt the very least there's the low tech solution of an opaque cover you put over it AR and VR have always felt like duals to me - with AR, you just put something behind it and you have VR. With VR you do passthrough video
- AceJohnny2 3y ago> But Apple has managed to pack the power of a Mac, plus the performance of a new dedicated AR chip, into a computer that you can wear on your face. The M2 chip, like any modern SoC, can easily heat up enough to burn skin under powerful workloads. "The power of a Mac" is misleading; does this mean a Macbook Air (constrained cooling means a tighter thermal, and thus performance, envelope), a Macbook Pro (better cooling = better performance), or a Mac Mini (best cooling = best performance)? Given the facial proximity and battery, I expect we'll never see that M2 at full power.
- rowanG077 3y agoThe macbook air has no active cooling. I would expect this machine to have better thermals.
- KaiserPro 3y ago> "The power of a Mac" is misleading yes, its marketing fluff. at best its an ipad, at worst an iphone. There is no way that you can practically dissipate 35watts of heat, especially as there is only 35whour of power in the battery.
- solardev 3y agoMaybe they expect the user to provide active cooling by constantly blowing cold air upward.
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- jackyard86 3y agoHuh. Apple seemed to have finally completed their conversion to USB-C. And then they came up with yet another proprietary connector for the battery pack? That's frustrating.
- lakpan 3y agoLook at the bright sight: they could have brought back the 30-pin plug.
- riscy 3y agoIt’s a power cable that locks on both ends so it doesn’t come loose and cause the device to shut off. Why does a USB-C plug matter, when no one has a locking USB-C cable anyway?
- AnarchismIsCool 3y agoThey could have trivially made that connector USBC with the locking tabs such that you could insert a normal USBC cable, just without being able to lock it. Instead they decided to force a new connector on everyone.
- slipheen 3y agoIt’s not intended to be a consumer replaceable connector. People opened up the device and figured out that you can get to that cable, but it’s not mentioned anywhere and not designed to be used directly. They’re not trying to force a new connector on anyone - they don’t even sell anything that uses it that part. It’s the way one proprietary part talks to another proprietary part. If you want to charge the system through USB-C, it has a port for that on the battery pack.
- naraic0o 3y agoIt designed to be consumer replaceable https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT214013 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT214013
- whatever1 3y agoI wonder whether they looked into fiber optics for direct image pass through. Like a system of lenses that move light from the front of the headset to the glass lensw
- iancmceachern 3y agoFiber optics don't really work that way. They transmit light, not images, over the fibers.
- teruakohatu 3y ago> Fiber optics don't really work that way. They transmit light, not images, over the fibers. Images over optical fiber was originally developed in the 1960s, although the concept goes back to the 1840s : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiberscope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiberscope It is possible the concept was observed much earlier than that if someone had polished an ulexite rock: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulexite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulexite
- iancmceachern 3y agoDo we use it for any practical applications in practice? The light losses alone would make this only able to be used in very specific applications.
- whatever1 3y agoI remember a lab working on it like a decade ago (using a batch of fibers, not just one) Edit: Found it https://phys.org/news/2014-02-optical-fibers-transmit-high-quality-images.html https://phys.org/news/2014-02-optical-fibers-transmit-high-q...
- iancmceachern 3y agoYeah, but this isn't practical at all for this application
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- barnabyjones 3y agoI think the fake eyes and avatars would be a lot more palatable if they ditched the realism attempt and just used cartoon eyes and faces. You could choose different styles like Western or Anime, and people already buy things like eye masks with cartoon eyes on them. It would at least give the device and avatars some personality, not just "oh man he's using that creepy new Apple thing for the call." I guess if they're trying to sell this toy as a Serious Business Machine for Important People, that might be seen as too juvenile, but IMO silly beats creepy.
- xuancanh 3y agoDidn't you forget that Facebook did that and everybody hated it?
- rpunkfu 3y agoAlso apple did that with memoji and everybody seems to be using it.
- KptMarchewa 3y agoEverybody?
- thih9 3y agoI don’t know anyone using it. Are there any stats? If anything, I’m associating cartoon avatars with Meta, I see more of them on fb and Instagram.
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- ranger207 3y agoThe tech in that outside screen looks a lot like how I remember the Nintendo 3DS's screen works. I'm surprised it's so bad given how much time has passed since then, although I guess patents could be one reason why
- isodev 3y agoI like the fake eyes - both on the outside screen as well as FaceTime calls. I think it’s quite striking how well they let one see if you’re paying attention to them. Also, Vision Pro seems to manage to relate whatever emotion/facial expression one is currently making despite wearing 600g of chips and glass on one’s face.
- 5350-uiop-1130 3y agoi'm interested in this product from a cultural theory view 80% struggling to pay their groceries while 20% playing fruit ninja in a dystopian walled garden i feel there is some underlying narrative which i'm trying to construct
- 3825 3y agoI don’t have spare money to spend on a Vision Pro that I couldn’t spend somewhere better but I have this thought when I was taking a hot shower. I’m here just living normally while there are millions running for their lives from war zones like literally. I’m more worried about the multibillionaires than anyone else, glass hole or not.
- 5350-uiop-1130 3y ago> I’m here just living normally while there are millions running for their lives from war zones like literally. capitalism and consumption is all about escapism. escaping from the mundane (and horrific) realities of life. seek fulfilment in material pleasures and distract from real world issues and concerns. this device literally commodifies our personal experiences. its a branded and status-driven consumerist invasion of our inner space. even further cutting us off from reality.
- avalys 3y agoEvery Lincoln, Cadillac, Acura, Infiniti, Lexus, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, GMC, Porsche, etc. you see on the road represents someone who decided to spend more money than “needed” on transportation, simply for their own enjoyment or pleasure. And the delta here is way more than $3500. Why are you not struggling with the dystopian inequity and cultural theory of it all on the way to work every morning?
- moribvndvs 3y agoSolo knit headband seems concerning. Keeping it firmly on your head is critical, and if it’s the same/similar solo knit stuff they’ve used on the Watch, that stuff starts to notably lose its elasticity in under a year, and that’s in a use case where it isn’t supporting half a kilo of weight.
- jelled 3y agoThe elastic isn't used for support. There's a BOA style dial that tightens things down.
- trogdor 3y agoI can’t help but read that as Bank of America.
- airstrike 3y agoFWIW that's generally abbreviated (and pronounced) BofA (or BAML when you include Merrill Lynch for their investment banking division)
- thrdbndndn 3y agoBAML is their investment banking division alone, not BofA + ML. It's renamed to BofA Securities nowadays.
- FrontierProject 3y agoMKBHD mentions in his review that the elastic strap is more of a marketing gimmick to make the headset look unique. The solo strap makes it really uncomfortable for long periods because all the pressure goes to the front of the face. They actually include a traditional double strap VR headband with it which is much more comfortable.
- itronitron 3y ago>> Apple has managed to pack the power of a Mac, plus the performance of a new dedicated AR chip, into a computer that you can wear on your face. Regarding the external battery, I recall watching some movie where an AI discovered that the human body could be used as a battery. Seems like Apple could solve a lot of their battery issues by working on that.
- xuancanh 3y agoHuman needs 2000 kcal on average for daily activities, which is equivalent to 470 mAh. So... no.
- ant6n 3y ago2000 kcal is equivalent to 470 mAh at like 4946V.
- ot 3y agoI don't know how you did that math, but you cannot convert kcal to mAh, you need a unit of energy like watt hour 2000 kcal * 4184 (J/kcal) / 3600 (seconds) ~= 2324 Wh which is... a lot of batteries (a large laptop battery is around 100 Wh) A human at rest uses around 100W, which is easier to remember.
- AYBABTME 3y ago2.3kWh is about 10kg of battery (more if LFP, less if NMC).
- peterdsharpe 3y agoThis is not how unit conversions work.
- SiempreViernes 3y agoNot sure a hand cranked VR goggle would be very popular. Or are you suggesting it should suck sugars from your bloodstream to power itself?
- Geee 3y agoIt's a relief to see so much unnecessary stuff in there. Hopeful that it's possible to strip this down to 200g. Almost seems like they made it too heavy on purpose, which might be explained by incentives on weight reduction. Better make the first version very heavy and reduce weight by 20g each version.
- shantara 3y agoI think the strangest design decision is not even EyeSight display, but the battery pack design. The whole thing is so insanely overbuilt, with the metal frame and the battery itself weighting only half of the entire device. It looks completely align compared to the Nitecore powerbank I use for hiking trips, which packs 10000 mAh into a 150 gram shell.
- lofaszvanitt 3y agoOvercomplicated, unfixable mess.
- tudorw 3y agoExternal battery pack? Have I just not noticed that in product shots or reviews until now?
- nkcmr 3y agoApple has worked _very_ hard in the press not to show it. Wasn’t a deal-breaker for me though.
- gregsadetsky 3y agoYeah, great observation. Look at the Tim Cook photos in Vanity Fair - https://www.vanityfair.com/news/tim-cook-apple-vision-pro https://www.vanityfair.com/news/tim-cook-apple-vision-pro
- tudorw 3y agoIt's a great thing, swappable batteries makes running a fleet a lot cheaper.
- jojobas 3y ago$799 to replace the non-functional glass if broken. That's almost half the monitor stand.
- grandpoobah 3y agoIf ever there was a case where a high price could be justified, surely this is it?
- klausa 3y agoIt's 8/10th of the monitor stand.
- mocmoc 3y agoApple , you did it again. I have no idea how you convinced to join you all those talented people that pulled this off, but you did, and everyone that was part of this should be proud because you just changed the humans for ever once more.
- avar 3y agoThe fake eyes remind me of the bit about video calling in Infinite Jest: http://www.telos.tv/infinite-jest-by-david-foster-wallace/ http://www.telos.tv/infinite-jest-by-david-foster-wallace/
- botro 3y agoI think between high definition VR displays, the apple watch and Stable Diffusion we have the pieces to assemble 'The Entertainment'. Imagine if rather than clip guided diffusion of images, the noise is guided to render by pupil dilation, heart rate, skin conductivity and any other signals that indicate excitement and pleasure for a specific indivual. What you'd see is what your heart most desires as in Andrei Tarkovsky's Stalker.
- _lvbh 3y agoI feel like if Apple allowed vtuber-esq avatars for FaceTime, it might look better than the uncanny valley of human avatars.
- theNJR 3y agoI have found they are so much better in practice than initial reviews made them out to be. I quickly forgot it was a persona when FaceTiming with another person in the AVP. The flat screenshots look terrible. The fully dimensional version is good.
- bredren 3y agoI agree. Mine looks much better than I was expecting. I suspect some people don’t like them because they are too realistic. When I think of people who use Memojis, they rarely choose designs that resemble them. In some cases I think the rejection could be this. People want more control over virtual versions because normally they have it.
- losvedir 3y agoI speculate the fake eyes functioned exactly as they needed to: they let Apple market the device with photos that make it look almost transparent. In reality, my wife can hardly see my eyes on mine, so I don't know what function they're supposed to serve to the customer. But it makes the picture of the device you see front and center on apple.com right now more of an exaggeration (or unrealistically and perfectly staged) than an outright fabrication. I suspect they'll drop it in the next generation. It was just for the initial rollout and marketing until people get used to what it looks like (black or colorful swirls) in real life.
- jkestner 3y agoI think you’re exactly right, except I can’t see Apple moving backwards to the eye-exam blinders that everyone else uses. They need to maintain that impression that Vision is less alien than the rest. (“They’re like ski goggles!”) I think the effect gets a little better, until they’re ready to go transparent with AR.
- sagarm 3y agoHigh end ski goggles come with reflective lenses by default these days.
- lagniappe 3y agoIt's so that people can stay with the goggles on longer. The only way to normalize people wearing this in public, or to be able to see themselves able to do things with them on is to make them think they aren't blocking someone's face.
- adolph 3y ago> In reality, my wife can hardly see my eyes on mine, so I don't know what function they're supposed to serve to the customer. Can you see each other’s eyes when you are each wearing them? Or does it AR wipe out the device and replace your heads with Animojis?
- s3p 3y ago