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Paris Vote Targets SUV Drivers with Parking Fees Set to Triple
- gambiting 3y agoIt's amazing, I wish more cities around Europe would follow - I'm not sure how I feel about Parisian residents being exempt though. People living in Paris will have a parking permit allowing them to park on their street already, why do they also need an exemption from higher parking prices elsewhere?
- jedberg 3y ago> People living in Paris will have a parking permit allowing them to park on their street already, why do they also need an exemption from higher parking prices elsewhere? My guess is that it was either the only way they could get it to pass, or because they're doing it to soak all the tourists coming in for the Olympics.
- julienchastang 3y agoWho in the world rents an SUV (or a car for that matter) to get around Paris? Edit: best option is to park outside city limits and take public transit. Maybe that's the point.
- jacquesm 3y agoIf you want to go specifically to Paris from most places in Europe the train (preferred) or the airport are the most efficient connections, car is hard for many reasons. But if you are visiting Paris while 'en route' then yes, do as you say.
- iforgotpassword 3y agoI wish Germany would follow, but well... There are a few cities in Germany that are rather progressive in that regard, but I wouldn't hold my breath for this in East Germany. :)
- gruez 3y agoFor a policy that's ostensibly designed to fight air pollution and "reclaim streets for pedestrians and cyclists", penalizing vehicle tonnage seems like a weird way of achieving it. If you want to fight air pollution, charging based on emissions like the ULEZ in London[1] seems like a much more effective way of doing so, especially since a 20 year old sedan can easily emit more air pollution than a recent SUV. As for "reclaim[ing] streets for pedestrians and cyclists", the bigger problem is arguably on-street parking itself and the space it occupies, rather than the of the cars occupying them. If you want to create more space for pedestrians and cyclists, replace on-street parking with cycling lanes or sidewalks, and the market (for parking spaces) will take care of the rest. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_Low_Emission_Zone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_Low_Emission_Zone
- vosper 3y agoPerhaps it’s because getting hit by a SUV tends to be much worse for a passenger or cyclist than being hit by a smaller car?
- ustolemyname 3y ago1. Larger vehicles pose a much greater threat to pedestrians and cyclists, both from frequency and consequence of incidents. 2. Tire emissions are more toxic than exhaust [1] and tire wear is dramatically greater on heavier vehicles. This is about air pollution in the city, not climate change globally. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyres-produce-more-particle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyre...
- jedberg 3y agoJust in time for the Olympics!
- trgn 3y agoIt is so awesome to see how so many European cities are calming traffic. For americans who haven't visited in 10-15 years, the difference is mindblowing, it's something you _feel_. (E.g. brussels, paris, London, many many smaller ones). It's something I hadn't been able to imagine, the airiness, the quiet at night, how relaxed it is, ... unreal.
- ToucanLoucan 3y agoI dream of anything even remotely like this, but that would NEVER fly here. The middle class is absolutely in love with their fucking SUVs and trucks. We'd sooner get Basic Income than any regulation that aims at those bloated class signifiers.
- mc32 3y agoSUVs in themselves are not class signifiers; particular SUVs are, like the MB G class, etc. people buy SUVs mostly because they’re practical. They don’t buy them as a signal of class. There are exceptions, of course.
- trgn 3y agoGenuinely, it hink they're an imagined practicality. We have a conventional family, conventional arrangements, and granted, I'd loath to buy an suv, out of spite I guess, but we've never been in a situation where our old small normal car isn't sufficient. We do all the things normal people do too.
- mc32 3y agoStation wagons are tanky; minivans are homely and underpowered. So lots of people get SUVs. It’s easier to fit things in the trunk when shopping IKEA or going skiing, sports equipment, etc. sure, it is possible to wedge 10ft 2x4s in a sedan, but it’s easier with an SUV. In any case, normal SUVs are not class signifiers. People drive beaters. Some are signifiers but that’s a really small segment.
- xyst 3y agoAmerica needs to follow. Make parking cost $100/hr with fines exceeding $2-3K. I would support this. Get all of these SUV/suburban-idiots off the road.
- para_parolu 3y agoHaving large family won’t be fun
- whazor 3y agoVolkswagen Touran seems to be within the 1600kg limit.
- robben1234 3y agoAmerican car companies push for large vehicles because those are exempt from strict emission standards. And the rest eventually started following because the US is the most lucrative car market in the world, even if their own country has different legislation. Remove the loophole and everything gets back into place without any weird & local workarounds like Paris had to retreat to.
- JeremyNT 3y agohttps://archive.is/gZxkD https://archive.is/gZxkD
- mtrovo 3y agoI checked the top 10 cars sold in the UK in 2023 and it's hard to say life is gonna change much around me by looking at the cars on that list [1]. All of the cars on that list would still be allowed and I definitely see some "big" cars there. For instance a Kia Sportage is right in the limit of what would be allowed with 1.5 tons, same with the Vauxhall Mokka and the Nissan Qashqai. If the concern is pollution maybe it's worth it but if the aim was to improve safety for kids and for cyclists I think the limit should be much lower. [1] https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars-vans/94280/best-selling-cars https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars-vans/94280/best-sell...