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seems to me, the upstream problem is data brokers.

zer00eyz 3y ago
You're not wrong, but the implied solution of no data brokers is gonna be a bad thing. The information is out there, it's stupid easy to correlate and collate it. It's even easier to use that to do something profitable. Getting rid of data brokers, making them not exist just makes a gray market for the information, one that is just as lucrative and is going to be untaxed and unregulated. 641a was the moment privacy died. We're not getting it back. We need to come up with a better method/idea...
- candiddevmike 3y ago
  We need data collection laws similar to HIPAA breaches that render data collection akin to storing nuclear waste. I'd like to see this apply to aggregate data mining too, so we can get rid of things like the Topics API.
  - GartzenDeHaes 3y ago
    HIPAA allows your medical information to be widely shared without your consent. It just requires the many holders of the data to implement some security controls. https://www.healthit.gov/topic/interoperability/how-hipaa-supports-data-sharing https://www.healthit.gov/topic/interoperability/how-hipaa-su...
toolz 3y ago
There are multiple problems here, but only one of those problems works for the US people. It's clear to me which problem should be most easily addressed with the highest impact for the effort. We're talking about the difference in trying to influence arbitrary third parties behaviors and the difference in trying to influence the behavior of your own employees.
- cyanydeez 3y ago
  businesses are granted existence for the American people. sorry guy, saying businesses can just take your data and do the same thing as the government is delusional. neither should be allowed.
nonethewiser 3y ago
But upstream of that is people volunteering their personal information.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  I don't think this is true for most cases. I have not volunteered or given consent for the collection of most of the data about me on these markets.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
  The vast majority of people have not given informed nor enthusiastic consent to these practices.
  - bpt3 3y ago
    That's not the standard for engaging in a commercial transaction, and never will be.
    - HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
      That's not acceptable, nor should we accept it. Consent comes first.

You're not wrong, but the implied solution of no data brokers is gonna be a bad thing. The information is out there, it's stupid easy to correlate and collate it. It's even easier to use that to do something profitable. Getting rid of data brokers, making them not exist just makes a gray market for the information, one that is just as lucrative and is going to be untaxed and unregulated. 641a was the moment privacy died. We're not getting it back. We need to come up with a better method/idea...

candiddevmike 3y ago
We need data collection laws similar to HIPAA breaches that render data collection akin to storing nuclear waste. I'd like to see this apply to aggregate data mining too, so we can get rid of things like the Topics API.
- GartzenDeHaes 3y ago
  HIPAA allows your medical information to be widely shared without your consent. It just requires the many holders of the data to implement some security controls. https://www.healthit.gov/topic/interoperability/how-hipaa-supports-data-sharing https://www.healthit.gov/topic/interoperability/how-hipaa-su...

toolz 3y ago

There are multiple problems here, but only one of those problems works for the US people. It's clear to me which problem should be most easily addressed with the highest impact for the effort. We're talking about the difference in trying to influence arbitrary third parties behaviors and the difference in trying to influence the behavior of your own employees.

cyanydeez 3y ago
businesses are granted existence for the American people. sorry guy, saying businesses can just take your data and do the same thing as the government is delusional. neither should be allowed.

nonethewiser 3y ago

But upstream of that is people volunteering their personal information.

JohnFen 3y ago
I don't think this is true for most cases. I have not volunteered or given consent for the collection of most of the data about me on these markets.
HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
The vast majority of people have not given informed nor enthusiastic consent to these practices.
- bpt3 3y ago
  That's not the standard for engaging in a commercial transaction, and never will be.
  - HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
    That's not acceptable, nor should we accept it. Consent comes first.