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> If the default is changing in China too, their population is going to shrink no matter what. yes, that might actually be _the_ biggest incoming issue china h

> If the default is changing in China too, their population is going to shrink no matter what. yes, that might actually be _the_ biggest incoming issue china has (through much much less because of housing prices). Basically by combining one child politics with various cultural and economic effects lead to a very strongly favor for having a boy over a girl. Combine that with natural reduction in birthrate due to reduction of poverty and some other factors it lead to a situation where China isn't just approaching a shrinking of population size but more like a collapse which could easily lead to various social and economic emergencies (like collapse of rent system, collapse of health system, problems to feed all elderly people etc.). Given the current "moral" direction of their government I wouldn't be surprised that if they don't find a better solution they might either start a war to kill many of their young and mid aged single men and/or start to mass euthanizing old people, at least if sick and/or poor. They even have the perfect excuse wrt. of they PR represent that: "hey we just copied Canada why are you complaining".

fnordian_slip 3y ago
Maybe I missed something as a European who doesn't always see what's happening over the great pond, but the sentence "hey we just copied Canada why are you complaining" confuses me. Did I miss Canada embarking on a policy of euthanasia? I know that the treatment of native people had quite a few scandals in recent decades, did you want to allude to that? Without wanting to make light of that situation, I think it is rather different in scale to what you propose.
- akarlsten 3y ago
  Canada allows medically assisted suicide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada
  - fnordian_slip 3y ago
    Thank you. I have responded to you, since you were one minute earlier. I won't repeat the whole comment that I had written and lost due to my phone running out of battery, but still wanted to at least add part of it with thanks for the information. This kind of euthanasia (voluntary, with a review board, like in Switzerland) is something I feel should be a human right, though I'm not sure about the intricacies of the Canadian system. I think one should be very much aware of the extreme chasm between this and the kind of euthanasia committed in the early half of the last century in the third Reich, and not confuse them because of the common name. From the grandparent comment, I had assumed they meant to imply that Canada had implemented something closer to the latter.
    - dathinab 3y ago
      > sure about the intricacies of the Canadian system. It's not as bad as what I believe China might do if worst comes to worst. But from what I have heard the Canadian system has issues, with cases of especially permanent sick+poor people being in some cases constantly "nudged" to say good by even if they still have a strong will to live. Through I'm not sure how wide spread such issues had been and if they where fixed. The reason I mention it is because china would also claim it's fully free choice, then if that isn't enough start nudging and then if that isn't enough go further. Lets just hope it won't happen.
    - moomin 3y ago
      Not saying some people shouldn't have the right, but the way the Canadian system works can be horrific. Especially when it comes to people who should be receiving support, aren't receiving support, so end up being encouraged to die instead.
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  canada legalized it, euthansia that is. first in i wanna say 2017? and then another law expanded it fairly recently, or rather removed some barriers.
blackoil 3y ago
> start a war to kill many of their young and mid aged single men That would be stupid, one thing the regime is not. Easier is to allow immigration of brides from Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Also, they can simply promote mechanization of agriculture. Right now, ~20-30% population is in agriculture that can be reduced to 2-5%.
- berserk1010 3y ago
  this regime, aka Xi Jing Ping's reign is pretty stupid. He has had failed projects after failed projects for 10 years now. Also, dictatorships don't care about unemployed young men, look at Putin, sending waves of unequipped untrained men to their death. China already has human trafficking of women from Laos and Cambodia. Birth rate still dropping.

fnordian_slip 3y ago

Maybe I missed something as a European who doesn't always see what's happening over the great pond, but the sentence "hey we just copied Canada why are you complaining" confuses me. Did I miss Canada embarking on a policy of euthanasia? I know that the treatment of native people had quite a few scandals in recent decades, did you want to allude to that? Without wanting to make light of that situation, I think it is rather different in scale to what you propose.

akarlsten 3y ago
Canada allows medically assisted suicide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada
- fnordian_slip 3y ago
  Thank you. I have responded to you, since you were one minute earlier. I won't repeat the whole comment that I had written and lost due to my phone running out of battery, but still wanted to at least add part of it with thanks for the information. This kind of euthanasia (voluntary, with a review board, like in Switzerland) is something I feel should be a human right, though I'm not sure about the intricacies of the Canadian system. I think one should be very much aware of the extreme chasm between this and the kind of euthanasia committed in the early half of the last century in the third Reich, and not confuse them because of the common name. From the grandparent comment, I had assumed they meant to imply that Canada had implemented something closer to the latter.
  - dathinab 3y ago
    > sure about the intricacies of the Canadian system. It's not as bad as what I believe China might do if worst comes to worst. But from what I have heard the Canadian system has issues, with cases of especially permanent sick+poor people being in some cases constantly "nudged" to say good by even if they still have a strong will to live. Through I'm not sure how wide spread such issues had been and if they where fixed. The reason I mention it is because china would also claim it's fully free choice, then if that isn't enough start nudging and then if that isn't enough go further. Lets just hope it won't happen.
  - moomin 3y ago
    Not saying some people shouldn't have the right, but the way the Canadian system works can be horrific. Especially when it comes to people who should be receiving support, aren't receiving support, so end up being encouraged to die instead.
red-iron-pine 3y ago
canada legalized it, euthansia that is. first in i wanna say 2017? and then another law expanded it fairly recently, or rather removed some barriers.

blackoil 3y ago

> start a war to kill many of their young and mid aged single men That would be stupid, one thing the regime is not. Easier is to allow immigration of brides from Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Also, they can simply promote mechanization of agriculture. Right now, ~20-30% population is in agriculture that can be reduced to 2-5%.

berserk1010 3y ago
this regime, aka Xi Jing Ping's reign is pretty stupid. He has had failed projects after failed projects for 10 years now. Also, dictatorships don't care about unemployed young men, look at Putin, sending waves of unequipped untrained men to their death. China already has human trafficking of women from Laos and Cambodia. Birth rate still dropping.