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JetBrains CEO Transition

93 points by yeputons 3y ago

okokwhatever 3y ago
oh, oh... open your pockets guys. Here comes again! P.D.: in one year the Community version will be abandoned. Mark my words.
- Ygg2 3y ago
  Well, we do have VSCodium at least. That said, I'm paying yearly subscription and I think it should have been improved somewhat. Rollbacking to old JetBrains version.
  - darkstar_16 3y ago
    Not close at all.
  - KronisLV 3y ago
    I'm currently on the JetBrains Ultimate plan, because their tools are that good in my eyes. Well, maybe except Fleet, because it's a bit early in its development and it loves to eat memory for the type of tool it tries to be (e.g. compete against VSC directly). I hope they don't mess with the recurring discounts for subscriptions. Honestly, the idea of getting rid of the Community version would be like shooting themselves in the foot, given how popular and passable VSC with a lot of plugins can be. I'm pretty sure nobody would actually consider doing that. Either way, for larger enterprise projects, JetBrains IDEs still feel like the right tool for the job regardless.
  - ghuntley 3y ago
    VSCodium isn’t going to save us. MSFT LSP’s cannot be used with MIT releases of VSCode. See https://ghuntley.com/fracture https://ghuntley.com/fracture
  - lnxg33k1 3y ago
    Have a look at Kate, last versions have LSP support and it works quite well
- dubcanada 3y ago
  Is the new CEO money hungry? I feel like I am missing something.
  - jansan 3y ago
    The new ones usually are.
    - rswail 3y ago
      JetBrains is a privately held company. This is their 3rd CEO in 25 years of existence. Each CEO has been sourced internally. They have a solid set of products and brand in their market, they offer comprehensive coverage of their customer's needs. I'd say that they're doing a pretty good job with their strategy, and there doesn't appear to be any emphasis on short term revenue over long term growth. So this is not your standard publicly listed company movable MBA/CEO replacement.
- rickette 3y ago
  Why is that? Based on what?
- mhd 3y ago
  Wait, is Idera involved somehow?
- jansan 3y ago
  I am paying and have no intention to change this, but hopefully they will work on solving old issues and notch up quality a bit. With all those great features, it is a bit annoying to still get a "variable might not have been initialized" warning on a null check (myVar == null) in WebStorm after all those years.
- nottorp 3y ago
  What community version? If there's such a thing on the web site it's well hidden.
  - hk__2 3y ago
    > What community version? If there's such a thing on the web site it's well hidden. All IDEs except IntelliJ itself come with a community version: PyCharm, PhpStorm, etc.
    - nottorp 3y ago
      They still do? I know they used to but the last time i quickly checked the site I couldn't find it anywhere. Because they didn't want me to find it. I used to use pycharm but just switched. Still using Android Studio but that's on Google's dime.
      - pohuing 3y ago
        Idk what you're looking at but the download link for the community edition is right below the ultimate edition...
        nottorp 3y ago
        Didn't get to the download page. Why would I? I only wanted to check what they're offering this week, not download anything.
        The_Colonel 3y ago
        One way to find is to google "IntelliJ community".
    - yeputons 3y ago
      Would you mind linking to PhpStorm community edition? I don't remember being one. I believe only IntelliJ and PyCharm come with a free version, and the rest (CLion, RubyMine, PhpStorm, WebStorm, GoLand) do not.
neom 3y ago
Quite a journey: Experience JetBrains 22 yrs 4 mos Chief Executive Officer Full-time Jul 2012 - Jan 2024 · 11 yrs 7 mos team lead Jul 2004 - Jun 2012 · 8 yrs Software Engineer Oct 2001 - Jul 2004 · 2 yrs 10 mos
- lnxg33k1 3y ago
  I will never understand those who can stay at the same place for more than 5 years, it’s a wasted life, doing the same thing, same people, same city
  - brap 3y ago
    Maybe they have a job they genuinely like?
    - lnxg33k1 3y ago
      Didn’t say it’s wrong, said I don’t get them, I don’t get being identified with a job either, are choices, point of views, I relocated to live in 5 different cities in the same time span, met many different people, for me that counts, job is job
      - depr 3y ago
        If job is job then you might as well stay at one
        lnxg33k1 3y ago
        Finding one that would allow me to move around yeah
        konart 3y ago
        People are different. You like to move place to place and meet people. Some like to stay in one place, meet people occasionaly and spend more time with their family, hobby (sometimes you can't really take your hobby with you), camp in the wild with your dog etc.
rapsey 3y ago
Since they explicitly mention Kotlin, I wonder how it will fare in the future with all the new Java additions. I guess at least it will remain an Android staple.
- clumsysmurf 3y ago
  Roman Elizarov (Kotlin Lead) left JetBrains a few months ago. I also wonder... https://twitter.com/relizarov/status/1715364391388930456 https://twitter.com/relizarov/status/1715364391388930456
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Google's "you must use Kotlin or leave" is what made it relevant, otherwise it would have been yet another JVM language with minor relevance. And even that they had to back down, as Android was starting to lose Java libraries ecosystem, as everyone started to move beyond Java 8.
drpossum 3y ago
Really disheartened they feel they need to point out "As we move towards a new era, in which AI is playing a transformative role". Fully expecting more AI "freemium" garbage to be shoveled into products where I don't want it. Again.
- hk__2 3y ago
  What’s wrong in this affirmation? Bits of "AI" are already everywhere, we’re just so used to them that we don’t even call them "AI".
  - soulofmischief 3y ago
    What's wrong to me is that Jetbrains' product quality has taken a noticeable nosedive at the same exact time they started forcing their AI assistant plugin down people's throats. The plugin can be disabled but not uninstalled, and it attempts to reinstall itself when upgrading the IDE version. Additionally, the latest IDE version has suddenly pushed visual latency while typing into the seconds and broken syntax highlighting / error checking. The layouts now reset each single time I start the IDE, seemingly to always display the AI assistant tab. Plus, the AI assistant is freemium, while forcing itself upon the user. After a short trial, it attempts to convert the user. It has zero respect for whether the user already has Github's copilot installed. The reset layout conspicuously removes the Copilot tab. To top it off, the assistant plugin plain sucks and is not ready to compete with Copilot. Intentional sabotage or not, this is by far the worst feature rollout I've ever seen in their products and it concerns me deeply about the future of Jetbrains. I've had to force downgrade to an early IDE release for now.
    - mns 3y ago
      I've noticed this too. That AI Assistant plugin keeps popping up all the time. I gave up and wanted to use the trial, but that wasn't working, then I noticed they update the thing every 2 days or so. I finally managed to do the trial for 14 days, but now apparently it expired, even though I enabled it last week. Left them feedback that I want to uninstall it, not disable it, got an email with some Jetbrains support URL for my request. Tried to login with my normal account that has the license, it's not working - I need a different account for the support hub. Clicked see as a guest, get Oauth error, as guest access is not allowed.
RagnarD 3y ago
I've been a Jetbrains customer on and off for years. In all of that time - across vast improvements in hardware - ReSharper has been slow. So slow. It doesn't seem to matter how many orders of magnitude faster are the CPUs, how many orders of magnitude increase in RAM. It just never seems to be usably fast in Visual Studio. Unfortunate that they apparently don't care about that, it would otherwise be a very good tool.
- jen20 3y ago
  And yet Rider, using the same engine, is lightning fast and has been since the earliest alpha releases. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I’d say that Microsoft keeping VS 32 bit for so long in part to hobble ReSharper.
  - ygra 3y ago
    Microsoft has been recommending out-of-process extensions for quite a while now; ReSharper never moved there (they did with Rider). Might be that for an extension the size of ReSharper it's not feasible (to this day Rider is missing features in the UI that ReSharper had for ages) and they decided that making their own thing is the better approach. However, Rider is quite a bit slower than VS 2022 (w/o ReSharper – Roslynator has been a good replacement for my needs here) and there's likely no good way around this for JetBrains. Since .NET embraces Roslyn for lots of customizations (custom analyzers, source generators, etc.) Rider must keep a Roslyn workspace around, along with its own analysis, thus doing pretty much everything twice – both for loading a solution and for every keystroke.
    - wilsonnb3 3y ago
      > Rider is quite a bit slower than VS 2022 strange, this doesn't match my experience at all. VS 2022 is way better than VS 2019 and earlier but still significantly behind Rider in terms of speed.
    - The_Colonel 3y ago
      > Microsoft has been recommending out-of-process extensions for quite a while now; In other words, Microsoft has been recommending rearcheticting your extensions from the ground up, because their own code base is too messed up to support 64-bit. And it looks like JetBrains is doing that, but it takes years for such massive codebase.
garganzol 3y ago
I am surprised that JetBrains high-ranked people are all fellow programmers, architects etc. This is a breath of fresh air when compared to some other companies where directors and managers are MBA types.
- xyst 3y ago
  They haven’t gone public yet. Once that happens the inevitable enshittification is bound to happen. Personally, love their products. One of the only products I will happily pay for. Had to unfortunately deep dive into the C# and .net world for a bit and Rider IDE made the process less painful than it would be with VS code or visual studio.
  - bags43 3y ago
    Why unfortunately? .NET tech stack is one of the best tech stacks on the market. What have you been using before?
    - KronisLV 3y ago
      I would have also loved to know their thoughts. The only thing I can come up with us Microsoft's history of embrace, extend, extinguish and all that. Like how VS Code plugins have a bunch of licensing conditions around them, to the point where they don't run in VS Codium (I use Rider, but a friend had some problems with that). In general, .NET feels like a more focused Java - ASP.NET is more consistently put together, EF is arguably easier to use than JPA/Hibernate and there's lots of nice integrations (though maybe the AutoMapper thing sucks more than MapStruct). The ecosystem feels smaller and more niche than Java's, which isn't a good thing, but at least what's there is good, in addition to the language being popular in game dev or interactive demos. It runs on Linux too, the SDK is simple to install and has no issues with containers, it's okay from performance to language features (and even F# exists for those who like that sort of thing). It's easily in my top 10 for productivity. The other spots might belong to Python/Django, Ruby/Rails or even PHP/Laravel and Node/Express, in addition to Java/Spring Boot or maybe Dropwizard. Not sure about the exact order, but it's not like it matters.
a1o 3y ago
Any information on the new CEO, Kirill Skrygan?
- mistrial9 3y ago
  I watched the 30 minute "AI rollout" video from JetBrains not long ago. The engineer on at about minute 20, is CTO now? also a twenty year coder there? In this video, the two technical communications people and that Cxx leader, were obviously placing a lot of emphasis on this new "AI" version .. of something that they have been doing all along.. code hints, context evaluation, code logic engine.. but with a new bravery to send all of this Back to the Servers without a choice. It seems to be like an obsession. Sending all your code details back to a central server constantly, appears to be a large change in the social contract of programming, to me. It appears that MSFT and Google, plus the phone market norms, have changed the game field back towards centralized record keeping. For people with knowledge of political history, this is a strong warning. My respect for the JetBrains engineering, and the skill of the technical communicators, was met with real distrust. Not for those people, but with this whole "sea change" in the ways that the Internet works.
  - Atotalnoob 3y ago
    Microsoft offers free offline (but not as good) “ai” for code via IntelliCode. I find it better (and way faster) than most stuff on the market for in context completions. You can even train it on your own code. GitHub copilot chat is really good, though
silvestrov 3y ago
What background has Kirill Skrygan? His linkedin is not readable for the public.
- tazjin 3y ago
  Searching for him in Russian helps. Seems to be the former teamlead of Rider, and a .NET programmer with a handful of talks. TL;DR - technical background, might be good.
  - The_Colonel 3y ago
    > Kirill Skrygan, who has been with JetBrains since 2010 and for the past couple of years has been leading the IntelliJ Department will be stepping up as CEO effective February 1st 2024. He was leading IntelliJ which is a bigger project than Rider since it develops also the platform on which all the other IDEs are based.
pjmlp 3y ago
I keep wondering, that given the cozy relatioship between JetBrains and Google, when Google will finally acquire them. Even the Kotlin Foundation is basically key people from those two companies.
- xyst 3y ago
  I hope they remain separate companies. Google as a business will drive the value of jerbrains products to the ground
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    Quite possible, but still JetBrains has a lot to thank for regarding Android Studio and Kotlin to Google.
xwowsersx 3y ago
So much cynicism here. Many are quick to dismiss Jetbrains and anticipate the worst. Jetbrains doesn't need me to defend them, but what exactly have they done to deserve this pessimism? Changed CEOs and mentioned AI? In my view, Jetbrains has generally been supportive of developers, making good tools at a fair price while sustaining a successful business model.
- drpossum 3y ago
  You missed their (still not completely resolved) "cannot uninstall new core AI plugin that nags you and asks for money while it ships off your code to unknown servers" fiasco a few weeks ago
  - selivanovp 3y ago
    That story is pretty much completely media bullshit. You can just disable this plugin and it won’t do anything and won’t bother you at all.
- pragmatick 3y ago
  I agree, mostly. I'm hugely thankful for their license of the whole product line for my OS project. But I also recently paid for a month of AI assistant of which I could only use it for a couple of days because of a bug in the authorization process. They make a lot of UI changes, many of which are at least questionable and completely throw off my workflow, and prioritize fancy new features instead of fixing bugs that are sometimes ten years old.
incomingpain 3y ago
<3 pycharm. That is all.
- urda 3y ago
  PyCharm, DataGrip, and shout out to JetBrains Toolbox! I LOVE toolbox makes updating and freezing versions a breeze <3 https://www.jetbrains.com/toolbox-app/ https://www.jetbrains.com/toolbox-app/
cosmicradiance 3y ago
I believe this is the right direction - IDEs must become more intelligent. Are they already (really) intelligent - the answer may vary on your competence (it's more useful for beginners) and your expectations. Even as an experienced developer who wants to learn a new framework/language, I prefer Copilot + VSCode ($10/m) as compared to a paid IDE (~ $10/m). JetBrains cannot be the Nokia of IDEs and let the opportunity pass by, they need to play the game and hopefully, they will (as in the past) remain the top choice.

93 points by yeputons 3y ago

oh, oh... open your pockets guys. Here comes again! P.D.: in one year the Community version will be abandoned. Mark my words.

Ygg2 3y ago
Well, we do have VSCodium at least. That said, I'm paying yearly subscription and I think it should have been improved somewhat. Rollbacking to old JetBrains version.
- darkstar_16 3y ago
  Not close at all.
- KronisLV 3y ago
  I'm currently on the JetBrains Ultimate plan, because their tools are that good in my eyes. Well, maybe except Fleet, because it's a bit early in its development and it loves to eat memory for the type of tool it tries to be (e.g. compete against VSC directly). I hope they don't mess with the recurring discounts for subscriptions. Honestly, the idea of getting rid of the Community version would be like shooting themselves in the foot, given how popular and passable VSC with a lot of plugins can be. I'm pretty sure nobody would actually consider doing that. Either way, for larger enterprise projects, JetBrains IDEs still feel like the right tool for the job regardless.
- ghuntley 3y ago
  VSCodium isn’t going to save us. MSFT LSP’s cannot be used with MIT releases of VSCode. See https://ghuntley.com/fracture https://ghuntley.com/fracture
- lnxg33k1 3y ago
  Have a look at Kate, last versions have LSP support and it works quite well
dubcanada 3y ago
Is the new CEO money hungry? I feel like I am missing something.
- jansan 3y ago
  The new ones usually are.
  - rswail 3y ago
    JetBrains is a privately held company. This is their 3rd CEO in 25 years of existence. Each CEO has been sourced internally. They have a solid set of products and brand in their market, they offer comprehensive coverage of their customer's needs. I'd say that they're doing a pretty good job with their strategy, and there doesn't appear to be any emphasis on short term revenue over long term growth. So this is not your standard publicly listed company movable MBA/CEO replacement.
rickette 3y ago
Why is that? Based on what?
mhd 3y ago
Wait, is Idera involved somehow?
jansan 3y ago
I am paying and have no intention to change this, but hopefully they will work on solving old issues and notch up quality a bit. With all those great features, it is a bit annoying to still get a "variable might not have been initialized" warning on a null check (myVar == null) in WebStorm after all those years.
nottorp 3y ago
What community version? If there's such a thing on the web site it's well hidden.
- hk__2 3y ago
  > What community version? If there's such a thing on the web site it's well hidden. All IDEs except IntelliJ itself come with a community version: PyCharm, PhpStorm, etc.
  - nottorp 3y ago
    They still do? I know they used to but the last time i quickly checked the site I couldn't find it anywhere. Because they didn't want me to find it. I used to use pycharm but just switched. Still using Android Studio but that's on Google's dime.
    - pohuing 3y ago
      Idk what you're looking at but the download link for the community edition is right below the ultimate edition...
      - nottorp 3y ago
        Didn't get to the download page. Why would I? I only wanted to check what they're offering this week, not download anything.
        The_Colonel 3y ago
        One way to find is to google "IntelliJ community".
  - yeputons 3y ago
    Would you mind linking to PhpStorm community edition? I don't remember being one. I believe only IntelliJ and PyCharm come with a free version, and the rest (CLion, RubyMine, PhpStorm, WebStorm, GoLand) do not.

neom 3y ago

Quite a journey: Experience JetBrains 22 yrs 4 mos Chief Executive Officer Full-time Jul 2012 - Jan 2024 · 11 yrs 7 mos team lead Jul 2004 - Jun 2012 · 8 yrs Software Engineer Oct 2001 - Jul 2004 · 2 yrs 10 mos

lnxg33k1 3y ago
I will never understand those who can stay at the same place for more than 5 years, it’s a wasted life, doing the same thing, same people, same city
- brap 3y ago
  Maybe they have a job they genuinely like?
  - lnxg33k1 3y ago
    Didn’t say it’s wrong, said I don’t get them, I don’t get being identified with a job either, are choices, point of views, I relocated to live in 5 different cities in the same time span, met many different people, for me that counts, job is job
    - depr 3y ago
      If job is job then you might as well stay at one
      - lnxg33k1 3y ago
        Finding one that would allow me to move around yeah
        konart 3y ago
        People are different. You like to move place to place and meet people. Some like to stay in one place, meet people occasionaly and spend more time with their family, hobby (sometimes you can't really take your hobby with you), camp in the wild with your dog etc.

rapsey 3y ago

Since they explicitly mention Kotlin, I wonder how it will fare in the future with all the new Java additions. I guess at least it will remain an Android staple.

clumsysmurf 3y ago
Roman Elizarov (Kotlin Lead) left JetBrains a few months ago. I also wonder... https://twitter.com/relizarov/status/1715364391388930456 https://twitter.com/relizarov/status/1715364391388930456
pjmlp 3y ago
Google's "you must use Kotlin or leave" is what made it relevant, otherwise it would have been yet another JVM language with minor relevance. And even that they had to back down, as Android was starting to lose Java libraries ecosystem, as everyone started to move beyond Java 8.

drpossum 3y ago

Really disheartened they feel they need to point out "As we move towards a new era, in which AI is playing a transformative role". Fully expecting more AI "freemium" garbage to be shoveled into products where I don't want it. Again.

hk__2 3y ago
What’s wrong in this affirmation? Bits of "AI" are already everywhere, we’re just so used to them that we don’t even call them "AI".
- soulofmischief 3y ago
  What's wrong to me is that Jetbrains' product quality has taken a noticeable nosedive at the same exact time they started forcing their AI assistant plugin down people's throats. The plugin can be disabled but not uninstalled, and it attempts to reinstall itself when upgrading the IDE version. Additionally, the latest IDE version has suddenly pushed visual latency while typing into the seconds and broken syntax highlighting / error checking. The layouts now reset each single time I start the IDE, seemingly to always display the AI assistant tab. Plus, the AI assistant is freemium, while forcing itself upon the user. After a short trial, it attempts to convert the user. It has zero respect for whether the user already has Github's copilot installed. The reset layout conspicuously removes the Copilot tab. To top it off, the assistant plugin plain sucks and is not ready to compete with Copilot. Intentional sabotage or not, this is by far the worst feature rollout I've ever seen in their products and it concerns me deeply about the future of Jetbrains. I've had to force downgrade to an early IDE release for now.
  - mns 3y ago
    I've noticed this too. That AI Assistant plugin keeps popping up all the time. I gave up and wanted to use the trial, but that wasn't working, then I noticed they update the thing every 2 days or so. I finally managed to do the trial for 14 days, but now apparently it expired, even though I enabled it last week. Left them feedback that I want to uninstall it, not disable it, got an email with some Jetbrains support URL for my request. Tried to login with my normal account that has the license, it's not working - I need a different account for the support hub. Clicked see as a guest, get Oauth error, as guest access is not allowed.

RagnarD 3y ago

I've been a Jetbrains customer on and off for years. In all of that time - across vast improvements in hardware - ReSharper has been slow. So slow. It doesn't seem to matter how many orders of magnitude faster are the CPUs, how many orders of magnitude increase in RAM. It just never seems to be usably fast in Visual Studio. Unfortunate that they apparently don't care about that, it would otherwise be a very good tool.

jen20 3y ago
And yet Rider, using the same engine, is lightning fast and has been since the earliest alpha releases. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I’d say that Microsoft keeping VS 32 bit for so long in part to hobble ReSharper.
- ygra 3y ago
  Microsoft has been recommending out-of-process extensions for quite a while now; ReSharper never moved there (they did with Rider). Might be that for an extension the size of ReSharper it's not feasible (to this day Rider is missing features in the UI that ReSharper had for ages) and they decided that making their own thing is the better approach. However, Rider is quite a bit slower than VS 2022 (w/o ReSharper – Roslynator has been a good replacement for my needs here) and there's likely no good way around this for JetBrains. Since .NET embraces Roslyn for lots of customizations (custom analyzers, source generators, etc.) Rider must keep a Roslyn workspace around, along with its own analysis, thus doing pretty much everything twice – both for loading a solution and for every keystroke.
  - wilsonnb3 3y ago
    > Rider is quite a bit slower than VS 2022 strange, this doesn't match my experience at all. VS 2022 is way better than VS 2019 and earlier but still significantly behind Rider in terms of speed.
  - The_Colonel 3y ago
    > Microsoft has been recommending out-of-process extensions for quite a while now; In other words, Microsoft has been recommending rearcheticting your extensions from the ground up, because their own code base is too messed up to support 64-bit. And it looks like JetBrains is doing that, but it takes years for such massive codebase.

garganzol 3y ago

I am surprised that JetBrains high-ranked people are all fellow programmers, architects etc. This is a breath of fresh air when compared to some other companies where directors and managers are MBA types.

xyst 3y ago
They haven’t gone public yet. Once that happens the inevitable enshittification is bound to happen. Personally, love their products. One of the only products I will happily pay for. Had to unfortunately deep dive into the C# and .net world for a bit and Rider IDE made the process less painful than it would be with VS code or visual studio.
- bags43 3y ago
  Why unfortunately? .NET tech stack is one of the best tech stacks on the market. What have you been using before?
  - KronisLV 3y ago
    I would have also loved to know their thoughts. The only thing I can come up with us Microsoft's history of embrace, extend, extinguish and all that. Like how VS Code plugins have a bunch of licensing conditions around them, to the point where they don't run in VS Codium (I use Rider, but a friend had some problems with that). In general, .NET feels like a more focused Java - ASP.NET is more consistently put together, EF is arguably easier to use than JPA/Hibernate and there's lots of nice integrations (though maybe the AutoMapper thing sucks more than MapStruct). The ecosystem feels smaller and more niche than Java's, which isn't a good thing, but at least what's there is good, in addition to the language being popular in game dev or interactive demos. It runs on Linux too, the SDK is simple to install and has no issues with containers, it's okay from performance to language features (and even F# exists for those who like that sort of thing). It's easily in my top 10 for productivity. The other spots might belong to Python/Django, Ruby/Rails or even PHP/Laravel and Node/Express, in addition to Java/Spring Boot or maybe Dropwizard. Not sure about the exact order, but it's not like it matters.

a1o 3y ago

Any information on the new CEO, Kirill Skrygan?

mistrial9 3y ago
I watched the 30 minute "AI rollout" video from JetBrains not long ago. The engineer on at about minute 20, is CTO now? also a twenty year coder there? In this video, the two technical communications people and that Cxx leader, were obviously placing a lot of emphasis on this new "AI" version .. of something that they have been doing all along.. code hints, context evaluation, code logic engine.. but with a new bravery to send all of this Back to the Servers without a choice. It seems to be like an obsession. Sending all your code details back to a central server constantly, appears to be a large change in the social contract of programming, to me. It appears that MSFT and Google, plus the phone market norms, have changed the game field back towards centralized record keeping. For people with knowledge of political history, this is a strong warning. My respect for the JetBrains engineering, and the skill of the technical communicators, was met with real distrust. Not for those people, but with this whole "sea change" in the ways that the Internet works.
- Atotalnoob 3y ago
  Microsoft offers free offline (but not as good) “ai” for code via IntelliCode. I find it better (and way faster) than most stuff on the market for in context completions. You can even train it on your own code. GitHub copilot chat is really good, though

silvestrov 3y ago

What background has Kirill Skrygan? His linkedin is not readable for the public.

tazjin 3y ago
Searching for him in Russian helps. Seems to be the former teamlead of Rider, and a .NET programmer with a handful of talks. TL;DR - technical background, might be good.
- The_Colonel 3y ago
  > Kirill Skrygan, who has been with JetBrains since 2010 and for the past couple of years has been leading the IntelliJ Department will be stepping up as CEO effective February 1st 2024. He was leading IntelliJ which is a bigger project than Rider since it develops also the platform on which all the other IDEs are based.

pjmlp 3y ago

I keep wondering, that given the cozy relatioship between JetBrains and Google, when Google will finally acquire them. Even the Kotlin Foundation is basically key people from those two companies.

xyst 3y ago
I hope they remain separate companies. Google as a business will drive the value of jerbrains products to the ground
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Quite possible, but still JetBrains has a lot to thank for regarding Android Studio and Kotlin to Google.

xwowsersx 3y ago

So much cynicism here. Many are quick to dismiss Jetbrains and anticipate the worst. Jetbrains doesn't need me to defend them, but what exactly have they done to deserve this pessimism? Changed CEOs and mentioned AI? In my view, Jetbrains has generally been supportive of developers, making good tools at a fair price while sustaining a successful business model.

drpossum 3y ago
You missed their (still not completely resolved) "cannot uninstall new core AI plugin that nags you and asks for money while it ships off your code to unknown servers" fiasco a few weeks ago
- selivanovp 3y ago
  That story is pretty much completely media bullshit. You can just disable this plugin and it won’t do anything and won’t bother you at all.
pragmatick 3y ago
I agree, mostly. I'm hugely thankful for their license of the whole product line for my OS project. But I also recently paid for a month of AI assistant of which I could only use it for a couple of days because of a bug in the authorization process. They make a lot of UI changes, many of which are at least questionable and completely throw off my workflow, and prioritize fancy new features instead of fixing bugs that are sometimes ten years old.

incomingpain 3y ago

<3 pycharm. That is all.

urda 3y ago
PyCharm, DataGrip, and shout out to JetBrains Toolbox! I LOVE toolbox makes updating and freezing versions a breeze <3 https://www.jetbrains.com/toolbox-app/ https://www.jetbrains.com/toolbox-app/

cosmicradiance 3y ago

I believe this is the right direction - IDEs must become more intelligent. Are they already (really) intelligent - the answer may vary on your competence (it's more useful for beginners) and your expectations. Even as an experienced developer who wants to learn a new framework/language, I prefer Copilot + VSCode ($10/m) as compared to a paid IDE (~ $10/m). JetBrains cannot be the Nokia of IDEs and let the opportunity pass by, they need to play the game and hopefully, they will (as in the past) remain the top choice.