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I'd rather my CoC not try to replace a mental health advocate or psychologist. 'Appendix A' is particularly egregious. I understand the dark patterns of psych

by serf 3y ago

I'd rather my CoC not try to replace a mental health advocate or psychologist. 'Appendix A' is particularly egregious. I understand the dark patterns of psychology that an administrator should be on the look-out for; it's another thing to task the player-base with the witch hunt through explanation. P.S. I think it's noble that you read the CoC before product usage, and I wish more people -- including myself at time -- would do that.

nonethewiser 3y ago
Id go further and say the CoC has 0 impact. The first rule by itself is absurdly long. No one is reading that. Its not shaping anything. It’s for the writer.
- Auguste 3y ago
  I disagree. I've never heard of this game before, but I just read the whole CoC and it made me want to give it a try. I respect that the developer went to great lengths to outline their expectations in such clear detail. It sounds like a cool community to me.
- michaelt 3y ago
  > No one is reading that. Its not shaping anything. That may well be the case. But in any online community, eventually some people are going to get banned. And many people - even those who aren't getting banned - prefer it if the banning is conducted according so some sort of written document, even if they've never read that document in detail themselves. Other online communities with far more lightweight rules are also available, for people who prefer that :)
  - VectorLock 3y ago
    (Un)Just In Time Code of Conducting to be even more hilariously capricious: your "ban user" button has a "reason" field that then appends that "reason" to your Code of Conduct.
  - rykar 3y ago
    Improbable island used to have more or less only one rule, outside of "underage shit will get you reported to your ISP", and that was "don't be a dick". It worked well, on the surface, but as the CoC says, there were a lot of issues that cropped up that went mostly unnoticed, even as they were impacting a surprising number of players. I prefer the new CoC. Lists of rules are never something that someone will regularly reference. You'll read through it once, get an understanding of the ground rules and community expectations, and then fit into the community and get up to speed by experience. Sometimes, people make mistakes, and someone can say "hey, maybe don't do that, Code of Conduct has a bit about that", and that someone can go "ah crud, thanks".
- patcon 3y ago
  In the 1000-active-user forum I managed, the small subset of ppl who feel ownership of the community (maybe 20 in my case) ABSOLUTELY read the CoC. it's a small minority, but those who read it are often prominent and engaged ppl, and they lean on it to make decisions and advocate for actions under their spheres of influence. Not everyone needs to read something in order for it to be impactful
- Cthulhu_ 3y ago
  It's a text-based online game / community; if people don't read, why are they on there in the first place?
- howenterprisey 3y ago
  How do you know it doesn't have an impact?
- grey413 3y ago
  Well, the writer is the community manager, so at the minimum they are reading the CoC. That in itself shapes their moderation, which shapes the community. However, in my experience core community members will read things like this CoC, at least partially. They also be fairly involved with discussions about it, which go a long way to shape a community.
howenterprisey 3y ago
The CoC explicitly tells you to go see a mental health advocate or psychologist instead of taking it out on the game. That aside, the general population absolutely must be educated on these behaviors. The admins can't be everywhere at once, and the amount of surveillance to replace players' eyes and ears would have to be enormous and the very definition of a nanny state.
- Cthulhu_ 3y ago
  From running my own community for a while, the most important part is the community itself, not the rules or moderators or whatever; the best communities are self-policing, and give an atmosphere where people don't want to be trolls/dicks/etc. Content moderation does not scale.
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by serf 3y ago

nonethewiser 3y ago

Id go further and say the CoC has 0 impact. The first rule by itself is absurdly long. No one is reading that. Its not shaping anything. It’s for the writer.

Auguste 3y ago
I disagree. I've never heard of this game before, but I just read the whole CoC and it made me want to give it a try. I respect that the developer went to great lengths to outline their expectations in such clear detail. It sounds like a cool community to me.
michaelt 3y ago
> No one is reading that. Its not shaping anything. That may well be the case. But in any online community, eventually some people are going to get banned. And many people - even those who aren't getting banned - prefer it if the banning is conducted according so some sort of written document, even if they've never read that document in detail themselves. Other online communities with far more lightweight rules are also available, for people who prefer that :)
- VectorLock 3y ago
  (Un)Just In Time Code of Conducting to be even more hilariously capricious: your "ban user" button has a "reason" field that then appends that "reason" to your Code of Conduct.
- rykar 3y ago
  Improbable island used to have more or less only one rule, outside of "underage shit will get you reported to your ISP", and that was "don't be a dick". It worked well, on the surface, but as the CoC says, there were a lot of issues that cropped up that went mostly unnoticed, even as they were impacting a surprising number of players. I prefer the new CoC. Lists of rules are never something that someone will regularly reference. You'll read through it once, get an understanding of the ground rules and community expectations, and then fit into the community and get up to speed by experience. Sometimes, people make mistakes, and someone can say "hey, maybe don't do that, Code of Conduct has a bit about that", and that someone can go "ah crud, thanks".
patcon 3y ago
In the 1000-active-user forum I managed, the small subset of ppl who feel ownership of the community (maybe 20 in my case) ABSOLUTELY read the CoC. it's a small minority, but those who read it are often prominent and engaged ppl, and they lean on it to make decisions and advocate for actions under their spheres of influence. Not everyone needs to read something in order for it to be impactful
Cthulhu_ 3y ago
It's a text-based online game / community; if people don't read, why are they on there in the first place?
howenterprisey 3y ago
How do you know it doesn't have an impact?
grey413 3y ago
Well, the writer is the community manager, so at the minimum they are reading the CoC. That in itself shapes their moderation, which shapes the community. However, in my experience core community members will read things like this CoC, at least partially. They also be fairly involved with discussions about it, which go a long way to shape a community.

howenterprisey 3y ago

The CoC explicitly tells you to go see a mental health advocate or psychologist instead of taking it out on the game. That aside, the general population absolutely must be educated on these behaviors. The admins can't be everywhere at once, and the amount of surveillance to replace players' eyes and ears would have to be enormous and the very definition of a nanny state.

Cthulhu_ 3y ago
From running my own community for a while, the most important part is the community itself, not the rules or moderators or whatever; the best communities are self-policing, and give an atmosphere where people don't want to be trolls/dicks/etc. Content moderation does not scale.
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