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The United States is producing more oil than any country in history

54 points by wolverine876 3y ago

Gow8876 3y ago
Sourced from CNN not exactly reputable source for statistics reporting. It is like Foxnews but for left. Also, these numbers rarely get auditted. It is mostly self reporting. During time of crisis like war or inflation, numbers always "changes" drastically compare to previous year. And release of SPC sometime reported and mostly not. Artic oil and methane ice havn't come into most reporting as well.
anovikov 3y ago
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- vjjsejj 3y ago
  No, we just let non-populists like Schröder (a former German chancellor who literally became an official Russian agent after he left office..) and Merkel get in the way
  - lifestyleguru 3y ago
    Perfectly wasted 20 years. It had been going well until it stopped. The money from fossil fuels is irresistible, no one is immune.
    - actionfromafar 3y ago
      except Norway...
  - wewxjfq 3y ago
    The US is in the comfortable position to have oil and gas and to have neighbors that have oil and gas (Canada, Venezuela*). If they were in Europe's place, they would trade with Russia just the same. I mean, before the war the US was already among the biggest buyers of some of Russia's fossil fuels. That said, I don't agree with the comment chain and I'm glad the US disrupts OPECs price fixing and I also see them overtaking Europe in renewable energy soon, simply because they are better suited for renewables.
- Scoundreller 3y ago
  They could do both: tax internal consumption to discourage use and bulk up renewables and export more. Would help counter all the manufacturing jobs outsourced elsewhere. But Americans (and many others) love income taxes (ie: work and value creation) instead of non-renewable energy taxes for some reason.
  - nomel 3y ago
    In California, we're right around $1.20/gallon for fees and taxes. From what I've experienced, it helps keep the poor poor, and motivates the rich to buy luxury electric vehicles.
    - pmontra 3y ago
      In Europe it's more like 1.7 Euro per liter. It's 3.75 liters to one US gallon if I'm not wrong.
      - throwaway5959 3y ago
        That’s more than double what people in the midwestern United States pay for gas, about a dollar more per gallon than CA. Makes it easy to see why economically it makes sense to keep your car longer and just keep burning gas in the Midwest.
        Dalewyn 3y ago
        For the uninitiated across the pond, California has one of if not the highest gas prices in the country; this is still cheap by international standards.
        Scoundreller 3y ago
        But the euro cars have double the mpg (half the l/100km), sooo, it’s really a wash on that front. (Ok, not quite that, but Portugal has the most efficient euro vehicles and uses 43% less fuel than average US vehicle: https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/market-snapshots/2019/market-snapshot-how-does-canada-rank-in-terms-vehicle-fuel-economy.html https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/ma... )
- creato 3y ago
  This has to be a troll post, right? Europe just spent two decades funding the military force invading it right now by importing fossil fuels from its invader in great quantities. Simultaneously, Europe let its ability to defend itself atrophy. Now Europe is relying heavily on the US for both more fossil fuels and military support, and yet here you are looking down your noses at the US while praising China's leadership for selling you solar panels, allegedly at dumped prices which crushed your own local industry. You really are great at seeing the bigger picture!
  - novolunt 3y ago
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  - Guthur 3y ago
    The invasion happened 80 years ago, it was the US. The US has more military in Europe than most European countries.
    - vasco 3y ago
      People need to look at a map of US bases in Europe and realise they never left. Same with Japan and Korea.
      - Guthur 3y ago
        They had a golden opportunity and they took it, they created an empire for the modern era, turned on the fire hose of propaganda and convince us that the most warlike nation of the last century is some how the good guy.
        lifestyleguru 3y ago
        > turned on the fire hose of propaganda and convince us that the most warlike nation of the last century is some how the good guy. The more I grew the more I became hyper aware of American military propaganda in Hollywood movies. It's glaring when the same movies portray Soviet army and equipment - in that case everything is poor CGI and cheap dummies.
chmod600 3y ago
This is a reminder to me how deceptive projections are. We were so sure before that we'd run out of economically-available oil on the planet soon. The numbers felt irrefutable. Now that point seems far away. This is not a comment on whether that's good or bad in the case of oil, but it seems to happen a lot. I think what we miss is that there are simply so many variables changing at any time that something that seems impossible all of a sudden becomes possible. And then we just take it for granted so quickly. It makes me wonder if we will be saved from global warming by some series of changes that seem utterly ridiculous. Maybe AI, cheap space flight, and some other crazy thing we aren't paying attention to combine into a solution. That's not to say we shouldn't care about global warming: quite the opposite, we should keep trying to make improvements on every front, both reasonable (consume less wastefully) and crazy (ask ChatGPT to come up with a plan).
- kozinc 3y ago
  Or maybe someone will just crash an ice asteroid into the planet...
- overstay8930 3y ago
  We will obviously save ourselves from climate change, even if we met every single climate target climate change is going to happen without humans anyways. Way too many environment activists think that humans are the sole reason for climate change, not realizing that the climate is going to change regardless if we want it to or not, humans just speed it up. Continents move, jet streams migrate, space weather is a thing, and the sun is getting hotter as well (longer time scale obvs but you get my point). We have to deal with it, if that means putting up a huge mirror between the earth and the sun then so be it.
  - ThunderSizzle 3y ago
    It's curious that HNers purport to be...smart, yet this comment is heavily downvoted. Climate has changed before man. Climate will continue to change. Beyond that, our understanding of our impact is nonexistent and naive. I have to laugh at the hyperfocus on CO2 as if the planet doesn't have a use for it already.
ngcc_hk 3y ago
I think the strategy is solar, wind, … renewable. Still tactically you need to make sure no war on old energy be won. If USA did not produce gas to Europe, putin will win. If putin can get more money from india and china, putin will fight. Whilst he still is, at least it is not that a threat and not getting too much more from new buyers. The confusion in and not or strategy is and strategy need a lot of work. Sometimes too much especially one of the component of and is very undesirabke
overstay8930 3y ago
I don't think many people in America realize how absolutely overpowered the United States really is, this was basically inevitable after the Suez crisis That blue water navy is really paying dividends
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  As a Japanese-American, we are well aware how utterly absurd we are: * An absurdly absurd twenty aircraft carriers between (as of writing): 10 Nimitz-class carriers, 1 Ford-class carrier, 7 Wasp-class amphibious assault ships, and 2 America-class amphibious assault ships. Any one of the Strike Groups led by them can rival the military of an entire country and we field twenty of them, one for each carrier. * The Coast Guard is geared to sail and operate right alongside the Navy, including blue waters. We effectively have two navies. * Unparalleled air superiority between our F-15s and F-22s, complemented by F-16s, F/A-18E/Fs, and F-35s. * Positively stupid air-to-ground firepower between the B-52, B-1, B-2, AC-135, A-10, and AH-64, along with the F-16, F/A-18E/F, and F-35. * Ridiculous support fleet of tankers, AWACS, and more. * The world's best tank, also known as the M-1 Abrams. * Each US state has its own National Guard to complement and support the Army and Air Force. * Special relationships with the United Kingdom and Japan, both militarily and overall. * But wait! There's more!(tm) Trust me, we know how 'Murica we are.
oldpersonintx 3y ago
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54 points by wolverine876 3y ago

Sourced from CNN not exactly reputable source for statistics reporting. It is like Foxnews but for left. Also, these numbers rarely get auditted. It is mostly self reporting. During time of crisis like war or inflation, numbers always "changes" drastically compare to previous year. And release of SPC sometime reported and mostly not. Artic oil and methane ice havn't come into most reporting as well.

anovikov 3y ago

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vjjsejj 3y ago
No, we just let non-populists like Schröder (a former German chancellor who literally became an official Russian agent after he left office..) and Merkel get in the way
- lifestyleguru 3y ago
  Perfectly wasted 20 years. It had been going well until it stopped. The money from fossil fuels is irresistible, no one is immune.
  - actionfromafar 3y ago
    except Norway...
- wewxjfq 3y ago
  The US is in the comfortable position to have oil and gas and to have neighbors that have oil and gas (Canada, Venezuela*). If they were in Europe's place, they would trade with Russia just the same. I mean, before the war the US was already among the biggest buyers of some of Russia's fossil fuels. That said, I don't agree with the comment chain and I'm glad the US disrupts OPECs price fixing and I also see them overtaking Europe in renewable energy soon, simply because they are better suited for renewables.
Scoundreller 3y ago
They could do both: tax internal consumption to discourage use and bulk up renewables and export more. Would help counter all the manufacturing jobs outsourced elsewhere. But Americans (and many others) love income taxes (ie: work and value creation) instead of non-renewable energy taxes for some reason.
- nomel 3y ago
  In California, we're right around $1.20/gallon for fees and taxes. From what I've experienced, it helps keep the poor poor, and motivates the rich to buy luxury electric vehicles.
  - pmontra 3y ago
    In Europe it's more like 1.7 Euro per liter. It's 3.75 liters to one US gallon if I'm not wrong.
    - throwaway5959 3y ago
      That’s more than double what people in the midwestern United States pay for gas, about a dollar more per gallon than CA. Makes it easy to see why economically it makes sense to keep your car longer and just keep burning gas in the Midwest.
      - Dalewyn 3y ago
        For the uninitiated across the pond, California has one of if not the highest gas prices in the country; this is still cheap by international standards.
      - Scoundreller 3y ago
        But the euro cars have double the mpg (half the l/100km), sooo, it’s really a wash on that front. (Ok, not quite that, but Portugal has the most efficient euro vehicles and uses 43% less fuel than average US vehicle: https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/market-snapshots/2019/market-snapshot-how-does-canada-rank-in-terms-vehicle-fuel-economy.html https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/ma... )
creato 3y ago
This has to be a troll post, right? Europe just spent two decades funding the military force invading it right now by importing fossil fuels from its invader in great quantities. Simultaneously, Europe let its ability to defend itself atrophy. Now Europe is relying heavily on the US for both more fossil fuels and military support, and yet here you are looking down your noses at the US while praising China's leadership for selling you solar panels, allegedly at dumped prices which crushed your own local industry. You really are great at seeing the bigger picture!
- novolunt 3y ago
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- Guthur 3y ago
  The invasion happened 80 years ago, it was the US. The US has more military in Europe than most European countries.
  - vasco 3y ago
    People need to look at a map of US bases in Europe and realise they never left. Same with Japan and Korea.
    - Guthur 3y ago
      They had a golden opportunity and they took it, they created an empire for the modern era, turned on the fire hose of propaganda and convince us that the most warlike nation of the last century is some how the good guy.
      - lifestyleguru 3y ago
        > turned on the fire hose of propaganda and convince us that the most warlike nation of the last century is some how the good guy. The more I grew the more I became hyper aware of American military propaganda in Hollywood movies. It's glaring when the same movies portray Soviet army and equipment - in that case everything is poor CGI and cheap dummies.

chmod600 3y ago

This is a reminder to me how deceptive projections are. We were so sure before that we'd run out of economically-available oil on the planet soon. The numbers felt irrefutable. Now that point seems far away. This is not a comment on whether that's good or bad in the case of oil, but it seems to happen a lot. I think what we miss is that there are simply so many variables changing at any time that something that seems impossible all of a sudden becomes possible. And then we just take it for granted so quickly. It makes me wonder if we will be saved from global warming by some series of changes that seem utterly ridiculous. Maybe AI, cheap space flight, and some other crazy thing we aren't paying attention to combine into a solution. That's not to say we shouldn't care about global warming: quite the opposite, we should keep trying to make improvements on every front, both reasonable (consume less wastefully) and crazy (ask ChatGPT to come up with a plan).

kozinc 3y ago
Or maybe someone will just crash an ice asteroid into the planet...
overstay8930 3y ago
We will obviously save ourselves from climate change, even if we met every single climate target climate change is going to happen without humans anyways. Way too many environment activists think that humans are the sole reason for climate change, not realizing that the climate is going to change regardless if we want it to or not, humans just speed it up. Continents move, jet streams migrate, space weather is a thing, and the sun is getting hotter as well (longer time scale obvs but you get my point). We have to deal with it, if that means putting up a huge mirror between the earth and the sun then so be it.
- ThunderSizzle 3y ago
  It's curious that HNers purport to be...smart, yet this comment is heavily downvoted. Climate has changed before man. Climate will continue to change. Beyond that, our understanding of our impact is nonexistent and naive. I have to laugh at the hyperfocus on CO2 as if the planet doesn't have a use for it already.

ngcc_hk 3y ago

I think the strategy is solar, wind, … renewable. Still tactically you need to make sure no war on old energy be won. If USA did not produce gas to Europe, putin will win. If putin can get more money from india and china, putin will fight. Whilst he still is, at least it is not that a threat and not getting too much more from new buyers. The confusion in and not or strategy is and strategy need a lot of work. Sometimes too much especially one of the component of and is very undesirabke

overstay8930 3y ago

I don't think many people in America realize how absolutely overpowered the United States really is, this was basically inevitable after the Suez crisis That blue water navy is really paying dividends

Dalewyn 3y ago
As a Japanese-American, we are well aware how utterly absurd we are: * An absurdly absurd twenty aircraft carriers between (as of writing): 10 Nimitz-class carriers, 1 Ford-class carrier, 7 Wasp-class amphibious assault ships, and 2 America-class amphibious assault ships. Any one of the Strike Groups led by them can rival the military of an entire country and we field twenty of them, one for each carrier. * The Coast Guard is geared to sail and operate right alongside the Navy, including blue waters. We effectively have two navies. * Unparalleled air superiority between our F-15s and F-22s, complemented by F-16s, F/A-18E/Fs, and F-35s. * Positively stupid air-to-ground firepower between the B-52, B-1, B-2, AC-135, A-10, and AH-64, along with the F-16, F/A-18E/F, and F-35. * Ridiculous support fleet of tankers, AWACS, and more. * The world's best tank, also known as the M-1 Abrams. * Each US state has its own National Guard to complement and support the Army and Air Force. * Special relationships with the United Kingdom and Japan, both militarily and overall. * But wait! There's more!(tm) Trust me, we know how 'Murica we are.

oldpersonintx 3y ago

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