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If you hate the format of these kinds of article let me summarize: Guy builds an experiment, flies it, it doesn't work, requests more time to get it working, i

If you hate the format of these kinds of article let me summarize: Guy builds an experiment, flies it, it doesn't work, requests more time to get it working, is denied, threatens 'not to come back', goes into a depression, worries crew that he'll open the door to space, eventually granted more time to work on the experiment, gets it working. There are consequences for letting this kind of person fly and dealing with mental health while on a mission, but that's the basic plot.

bondarchuk 3y ago
>The next day, Wang did receive permission to work on the experiment, and he eventually got it working. I don't think he came back and got to space again in-between.
misnome 3y ago
And “They added a lock to the exit hatch” For a good portion of this article I thought the answer was “We don’t know”. It ambles around so leisurely and stop-start that it feels like reading ChatGPT output.
- fritzo 3y ago
  It's the prose equivalent of an online recipe sandwich: thin slices of content interleaved with airy filler
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GeoAtreides 3y ago
> If you hate the format of these kinds of article You mean long-form articles? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-form_journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-form_journalism I don't think the problem is with the format, but with your expectations. Somehow you were expecting a straight answer to the question in the title; instead, it's a detailed look into the incident and the context around it.
- lopis 3y ago
  The tiktokification of our minds.
  - echelon 3y ago
    I didn't like these articles 15 years ago. Unless the subject matter absolutely grabs me, I still don't. I skim voraciously, and I always have. I skimmed newspapers and magazines as a kid. It's a filter for signal. Fluff grates me. I wouldn't blame TikTok.
  - Cheer2171 3y ago
    This is the same literary technique that Homer uses to open The Iliad, Virgil uses to open The Aneid, and that Vyasa uses to open The Mahabharata.
- ethbr1 3y ago
  Indeed, I'm curious what specific portions parent would recommend excluding from the article. I found everything fairly relevant to the topic.
- danielbarla 3y ago
  I think this article is actually a pretty good example of long-form journalism; the jump it makes to reveal the context is fairly small, and relevant from the first few words. In many other articles, however, the context switch is almost nonsensical, making the reader wonder if the writer will ever actually get to the point. While I agree that in the past few decades our attention spans have gotten very short, I also think there's a slight disconnect between the clickbaity titles and many articles. For that matter, this happens with videos as well; things that can be answered in 2-3 minutes get turned into a 10 minute video with a large amount of fluff.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    >2-3 minutes get turned into a 10 minute video This is just the advertisement affect. Short videos don't get monetized so longer videos are necessary to make a living.
blackhaj7 3y ago
Thank you!
verisimi 3y ago
Good ai bot.
- shermantanktop 3y ago
  For all we know, your post is AI-generated.
  - verisimi 3y ago
    For all we know, your post is AI-generated. PS I actually had a purpose behind the comment - which was - this is one thing AI would be good for. Why wasted 20 mins or whatever reading, when you could get ai to give you a summary of the thing? That would be a decent use of ai. Mind you, I can surely imagine a plugin that allows you to click 'summarise this page' in the browser. PPS These plugins already exist!
0xdeadbeefbabe 3y ago
Also when an astronaut in orbit says he's not coming back, he comes back and gets old and can't be reached for comment, but we can tell he came back because he's 83.
gwbas1c 3y ago
> There are consequences for letting this kind of person fly and dealing with mental health while on a mission, but that's the basic plot. I got the impression this was a cultural issue and not a mental stability issue.
- shermantanktop 3y ago
  Sounds to me like both, and I bet where one draws the line between the two depends one one’s cultural background.
- Guvante 3y ago
  It was very explicitly a mental health issue. Culture only came up as a reasoning for why failure was so devastating.
Guvante 3y ago
I feel like this long form article did a pretty good job. History bits were paragraphed so skipping ahead was trivial if a bit of history didn't interest you. Also the answer happened relatively early when the flow lead to the answer rather than artificially rewriting the story to bury the lead. And the continuation after made sense and didn't overstay its welcome.
stcredzero 3y ago
In both Sci-fi books and history, there's a situation where colonists get their own ideas, once they figure out they're no longer dependent on the mother country/home planet. I hope this happens. A cheaper and easier alternative to colonizing Mars to prevent losing all of the "human beans," if we should happen to smash the one bean jar, would be to colonize the Moon. The Moon is lacking in a lot of the elements needed to sustain human life, but in terms of orbits and energy, it's not that far from the asteroids where the rest of the elements could be found. It's also mere days away from Earth, so it would be practical to send a rescue mission if something happened, like the algae tanks all dying at once. The moon might he a harsh mistress, but it might be an even harsher target for a space marine landing.
manicennui 3y ago
More of the article is about the hatch and how it has been locked on various missions because the crew didn't trust the payload specialist. I also learned that a Saudi prince flew on the space shuttle.
gadders 3y ago
>>There are consequences for letting this kind of person fly and dealing with mental health while on a mission, but that's the basic plot. See also the woman that (allegedly) tried to drill holes in the ISS so she could return to earth early.
- lupire 3y ago
  Speculation at best. Russian propaganda at worst. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9897471/NASA-hits-Russianclaims-astronaut-Serena-Au-n-Chancellor-drilled-HOLE-ISS.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9897471/NASA... Also what is "the kind of person" who develops a blood clot in orbit"?
  - gadders 3y ago
    There are various versions of the story and I've no idea which (if any) are true. However, in terms of the "kind of person", the key fact isn't whether they developed a blood clot in orbit, but what the correct response would be to that situation. I'd suggest that drilling holes in your spaceship isn't the recommended approach (if that is indeed what happened).
  - bhk 3y ago
    One thing TFA hammers home is that NASA is not to be trusted.
technofiend 3y ago
I don't hate the format of these articles in general but this one in specific had a harsh and abrupt transition between setting up the tension "Astronaut upset" and the segue to background check information. In my humble opinion it would benefit from another paragraph or two of setup.
phkahler 3y ago
>> There are consequences for letting this kind of person fly... What kind of person is that? How do you know? It seems NASA has a fairly rigorous psych evaluation for their astronauts, so even they aren't "sure" until they do the evaluation.
anigbrowl 3y ago
You missed the lede, which was that NASA designed the space station with a hatch that opened outward directly into space as an emergency exit. The story about the despondent scientist is just a wrapper for this. I also hate this format.
because_789 3y ago
Thank you so much. I don’t always mind long form articles when they justify their length, but this one would have been better if it started with your summary, followed by the some nitty gritty details, followed by meta analysis interleaved with yet more nitty gritty details.
kyriakos 3y ago
Thank you
ajdude 3y ago
Thank you. I got 1/3 of the way through and started wondering why I was struggling to get to the end. I backed out and checked the comments hoping to find exactly what you posted.
bhk 3y ago
> There are no consequences for letting this kind of person fly ... Fixed it for you.

bondarchuk 3y ago

>The next day, Wang did receive permission to work on the experiment, and he eventually got it working. I don't think he came back and got to space again in-between.

misnome 3y ago

And “They added a lock to the exit hatch” For a good portion of this article I thought the answer was “We don’t know”. It ambles around so leisurely and stop-start that it feels like reading ChatGPT output.

fritzo 3y ago
It's the prose equivalent of an online recipe sandwich: thin slices of content interleaved with airy filler

deleted 3y ago

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GeoAtreides 3y ago

> If you hate the format of these kinds of article You mean long-form articles? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-form_journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-form_journalism I don't think the problem is with the format, but with your expectations. Somehow you were expecting a straight answer to the question in the title; instead, it's a detailed look into the incident and the context around it.

lopis 3y ago
The tiktokification of our minds.
- echelon 3y ago
  I didn't like these articles 15 years ago. Unless the subject matter absolutely grabs me, I still don't. I skim voraciously, and I always have. I skimmed newspapers and magazines as a kid. It's a filter for signal. Fluff grates me. I wouldn't blame TikTok.
- Cheer2171 3y ago
  This is the same literary technique that Homer uses to open The Iliad, Virgil uses to open The Aneid, and that Vyasa uses to open The Mahabharata.
ethbr1 3y ago
Indeed, I'm curious what specific portions parent would recommend excluding from the article. I found everything fairly relevant to the topic.
danielbarla 3y ago
I think this article is actually a pretty good example of long-form journalism; the jump it makes to reveal the context is fairly small, and relevant from the first few words. In many other articles, however, the context switch is almost nonsensical, making the reader wonder if the writer will ever actually get to the point. While I agree that in the past few decades our attention spans have gotten very short, I also think there's a slight disconnect between the clickbaity titles and many articles. For that matter, this happens with videos as well; things that can be answered in 2-3 minutes get turned into a 10 minute video with a large amount of fluff.
- pixl97 3y ago
  >2-3 minutes get turned into a 10 minute video This is just the advertisement affect. Short videos don't get monetized so longer videos are necessary to make a living.

blackhaj7 3y ago

Thank you!

verisimi 3y ago

Good ai bot.

shermantanktop 3y ago
For all we know, your post is AI-generated.
- verisimi 3y ago
  For all we know, your post is AI-generated. PS I actually had a purpose behind the comment - which was - this is one thing AI would be good for. Why wasted 20 mins or whatever reading, when you could get ai to give you a summary of the thing? That would be a decent use of ai. Mind you, I can surely imagine a plugin that allows you to click 'summarise this page' in the browser. PPS These plugins already exist!

0xdeadbeefbabe 3y ago

Also when an astronaut in orbit says he's not coming back, he comes back and gets old and can't be reached for comment, but we can tell he came back because he's 83.

gwbas1c 3y ago

> There are consequences for letting this kind of person fly and dealing with mental health while on a mission, but that's the basic plot. I got the impression this was a cultural issue and not a mental stability issue.

shermantanktop 3y ago
Sounds to me like both, and I bet where one draws the line between the two depends one one’s cultural background.
Guvante 3y ago
It was very explicitly a mental health issue. Culture only came up as a reasoning for why failure was so devastating.

Guvante 3y ago

I feel like this long form article did a pretty good job. History bits were paragraphed so skipping ahead was trivial if a bit of history didn't interest you. Also the answer happened relatively early when the flow lead to the answer rather than artificially rewriting the story to bury the lead. And the continuation after made sense and didn't overstay its welcome.

stcredzero 3y ago

In both Sci-fi books and history, there's a situation where colonists get their own ideas, once they figure out they're no longer dependent on the mother country/home planet. I hope this happens. A cheaper and easier alternative to colonizing Mars to prevent losing all of the "human beans," if we should happen to smash the one bean jar, would be to colonize the Moon. The Moon is lacking in a lot of the elements needed to sustain human life, but in terms of orbits and energy, it's not that far from the asteroids where the rest of the elements could be found. It's also mere days away from Earth, so it would be practical to send a rescue mission if something happened, like the algae tanks all dying at once. The moon might he a harsh mistress, but it might be an even harsher target for a space marine landing.

manicennui 3y ago

More of the article is about the hatch and how it has been locked on various missions because the crew didn't trust the payload specialist. I also learned that a Saudi prince flew on the space shuttle.

gadders 3y ago

>>There are consequences for letting this kind of person fly and dealing with mental health while on a mission, but that's the basic plot. See also the woman that (allegedly) tried to drill holes in the ISS so she could return to earth early.

lupire 3y ago
Speculation at best. Russian propaganda at worst. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9897471/NASA-hits-Russianclaims-astronaut-Serena-Au-n-Chancellor-drilled-HOLE-ISS.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9897471/NASA... Also what is "the kind of person" who develops a blood clot in orbit"?
- gadders 3y ago
  There are various versions of the story and I've no idea which (if any) are true. However, in terms of the "kind of person", the key fact isn't whether they developed a blood clot in orbit, but what the correct response would be to that situation. I'd suggest that drilling holes in your spaceship isn't the recommended approach (if that is indeed what happened).
- bhk 3y ago
  One thing TFA hammers home is that NASA is not to be trusted.

technofiend 3y ago

I don't hate the format of these articles in general but this one in specific had a harsh and abrupt transition between setting up the tension "Astronaut upset" and the segue to background check information. In my humble opinion it would benefit from another paragraph or two of setup.

phkahler 3y ago

>> There are consequences for letting this kind of person fly... What kind of person is that? How do you know? It seems NASA has a fairly rigorous psych evaluation for their astronauts, so even they aren't "sure" until they do the evaluation.

anigbrowl 3y ago

You missed the lede, which was that NASA designed the space station with a hatch that opened outward directly into space as an emergency exit. The story about the despondent scientist is just a wrapper for this. I also hate this format.

because_789 3y ago

Thank you so much. I don’t always mind long form articles when they justify their length, but this one would have been better if it started with your summary, followed by the some nitty gritty details, followed by meta analysis interleaved with yet more nitty gritty details.

kyriakos 3y ago

Thank you

ajdude 3y ago

Thank you. I got 1/3 of the way through and started wondering why I was struggling to get to the end. I backed out and checked the comments hoping to find exactly what you posted.

bhk 3y ago

> There are no consequences for letting this kind of person fly ... Fixed it for you.