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CCP members threaten British public piano player [video]

98 points by qwertyuiop_ 3y ago

0xSNAFU 3y ago
I see very similar cultural clashes often in my work routine as an open-source developer (based in Europe) working in the wild. With some cultures there is a much bigger gap to fill.
ilamont 3y ago
I once read that France has some sort of law about photographing people who don’t want to be included in a picture in a public place. Does the UK have something similar, or is this a “little wolf warrior” misunderstanding what he can demand or do abroad?
- 0xSNAFU 3y ago
  > Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel. https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/ph/photography-advice https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/ph/p...
  - markb139 3y ago
    I think the train station is private property.
    - gruez 3y ago
      IANAL but "public places" is orthogonal to "private property". A mall is private property but there's no expectation of privacy because it's a "public space".
  - tpoacher 3y ago
    What's on that link describes a very different situation from "should you be allowed to film and post online (for profit no less) private citizens who have explicitly withdrawn their consent, just because you happen to be filming them in a public place?" The police are public officials. The law in question says it is not illegal for citizens to record public officials, including police officers. I would imagine this is partly to help citizens keep their police force accountable. So this person was well within their rights to 'not have a private conversation' with the police officer. But it's a very different situation from, say, filming someone who does not wish to be filmed, or harassing someone in public by filming them and then posting online publicly, and pretending it's fine just because you were in a 'public place'. The technical legality of the situation aside, given that these individuals politely (initially) requested their faces be not shown on public youtube videos (for profit no less), and this person made no effort to even blur at the very least, then I have a hard time finding right with him. We're not even talking about whether a private individual should have the right to film such that this might be presented as evidence in a court of law if required. So this is not a free speech issue. This person is simply putting it on youtube for money. Without reasonable consent. Yes not everyone in the video needs to give consent, as this can be implied if they walked through a scene and the recording was 'non-hidden'. But these people explicitly denied consent. There must be some sort of GDPR thing at play here at the very least.
    - hashtag-til 3y ago
      If the police doesn't have such rights to stop filming anyone. I guess we can imagine a CCP rando probably don't have more permission than police. Apart from that, it's sensible to understand if you're just background on somebody's recording in a public space and don't want to appear, just walk away.
      - foverzar 3y ago
        > if you're just background on somebody's recording in a public space and don't want to appear, just walk away. He approached them first. They declined participating and in about 3 minutes one woman approached him back and asked not to put their faces on TV - that's when the whole fuss had started.
        evolvevia 3y ago
        > He approached them first. Watch the full livestream. The Chinese group approaches the piano first, and one woman even dances along to his playing. Later a few more people join the Chinese group, one of which appears to be a producer as he's handing out scripts. The piano player approaches the Chinese group to say hi to the new members, and suddenly they have a problem with him filming. The simplest explanation is the most likely - they're a Chinese TV crew who want to use the piano, but they don't have a commercial filming permit and/or UK working visas.
    - Shaolol 3y ago
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- em-bee 3y ago
  in germany this applies only to people who are subject of the recording. as in this case the subject of the recording was the piano players, and other people were just background, the right does not apply. if they didn't want to be filmed they should have walked away.
- maeln 3y ago
  > I once read that France has some sort of law about photographing people who don’t want to be included in a picture in a public place. For more details, it is not about photographing people (it is perfectly legal in public places) but publishing (in any form, press or social media) the picture. The law apply if you single out a person or a group of person (so if someone is in the background and not the main focus of the picture/video, the law doesn't apply) and if a prejudice of any form can be attributed to the picture. This video would actually be an interesting case (if it was in France), because one could argue that the people asking not to be in the video where not the main focus and therefor would not be protected by law. But at the same time, the way it was published put a strong emphasis on the fact that they asked not to be in the video, therefore making them the main focus of the video, even though it is of their own volition.
  - greatgib 3y ago
    But there is an exception to the law that would probably apply in this case: You can't restrict the right of publishing the video is it is in the context of a demonstration, a "manifestation" (that means more an event in French), or that it is news worthy or of public interest. As the Chinese were there demonstrating to support the Chinese CCP propaganda or something or that sort, anyone could have recorded them directly in isolation I think.
- wuxb 3y ago
  If I peed in my pant (or in a similar awkward situation) and someone happened to have filmed it. What kind of legal rights (if any) do I have to remove my shameful moment from the Internet?
  - g-b-r 3y ago
    It depends if you're in a country that believes filming that is freedom :rolleyes:
cassianoleal 3y ago
The title of the video is "Police Called To Stop Filming During Piano Livestream". There are no indications that the people who (very wrongfully) approached them are members of the CCP. They may well be but there's nothing in the video supporting that.
- jacknews 3y ago
  Perhaps it's a kindness. The title otherwise would be 'patriotic Chinese people threaten' ...
  - gruez 3y ago
    I'm not sure that's any better. Imagine assuming every american is CIA, or every russian is FSB.
    - jacknews 3y ago
      that doesn't follow. they are waving PRC flags, therefore they are 'patriotic'. but maybe not members of the CCP, as the poster pointed out.
      - gruez 3y ago
        >they are waving PRC flags, therefore they are 'patriotic'. >but maybe not members of the CCP, as the poster pointed out. I'm not claiming that because they're patriotic that they're CCP members. In fact if you read my comment more carefully I'm claiming the opposite, by pointing out how absurd it is to assume a patriotic American to be a CIA agent. I'm not sure how doing so is "kindness".
        jacknews 3y ago
        Well it's a kindness to ordinary patriotic Chinese people, who don't go around trying to bully people who happen to be filming, like the CPP might.
rdtsc 3y ago
The "stop touching her" part was interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65iwnI2hjAA&t=791s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65iwnI2hjAA&t=791s One member of the group of waving the Chinese flag in Brendan's direction. He seems to have touched the flag or put his hand forward to touch the flag. The man with the group starting yelling very loudly "stop touching her". But it wasn't a desperate cry for help, it was very deliberate and forced in a way. He realized all of the sudden he could get Brendan in trouble. The other members in the group were happily smiling in the background, obviously not bothered by this horrible "touch assault". When police came, the Chinese man immediately ran towards the police to be the first to tell his story. So there seems to be some awareness that "touching" is not allowed here, but I think with a bit practice they might find out about Streisand effect and filming in public too [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
- x3n0ph3n3 3y ago
  It was even more interesting how the guy who yelled it felt important to call out the difference in their ages.
- 2-718-281-828 3y ago
  text book public bullying trick #23 ... use any reason or no reason to viciously announce as loud as possible that you feel threatened and then some loud remarks to manifest your moral high ground. disgusting. experienced it myself at least once.
  - ShaolinTrooper 3y ago
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- rainbowzootsuit 3y ago
  "He's coming right for us!"
andsoitis 3y ago
It looks like the individuals were trolling him ("don't share video online that shows us in the picture...") or just trying to pick a fight. Unfortunately, these days you have to assume that someone is taking video or photos in public space and it might mean you end up online without your permission. In very rare cases such a video might go viral which then can draw attention to yourself.
- danielspace23 3y ago
  Why would they be trolling him? They're asking for the basic courtesy of not having their faces shown online, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me. It seems like the pianist is the one who wanted to pick a fight: instead of getting the cameraperson to point away from them and explaining the situation politely, he went on a rant on how they're not in "communist" China, and it's a free country. In general, the whole approach towards them seems sketchy. Earlier in the video he calls it a group of Japanese people, despite them clearly having Chinese flags, and he asks them if they can dance. That's a bit weird, isn't it?
  - andsoitis 3y ago
    > Why would they be trolling him? They're asking for the basic courtesy of not having their faces shown online, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me. It seems like the pianist is the one who wanted to pick a fight: instead of getting the cameraperson to point away from them This is a huge public area with lots of empty space (I looked at the video). When I see people recording themselves in public and I think I might be in the picture, I get out of the frame (or turn my back), rather than go up to them and insist "don't post any video that shows my face". Yes, he engaged them on principle - I agree with his principles, but he should have just ignored the people antagonizing him. And they have not heard of the Streissand effect.
    - foverzar 3y ago
      > Streissand effect If truly understood their sentiment, it's probably way less uncomfortable to be published actively protesting the use of your image.
foverzar 3y ago
So, some asian-looking people asked the guy not to film them and the guy decided to be a loud dick about the whole thing, while almost assaulting one of the women. "CCP members threaten British public piano player", right. I get that some countries still don't have a legal requirement to blur people in the background (or at least when they asked you to), but this is a common courtesy and basic politeness every semi-professional vlogger understands. Just don't be evil.
- piva00 3y ago
  It was pretty evil of the Asian-looking guy shouting "DON'T TOUCH HER" "You're not of the same age". He was threatened and only escalated to be a dick about it after they were a dick to him. He is also quite well within his rights, trying to intimidate him to stop doing it is pretty fucking evil as well. Have we watched the same video?
  - foverzar 3y ago
    > It was pretty evil of the Asian-looking guy shouting "DON'T TOUCH HER" "You're not of the same age". It was hysterical, but I don't see how is this evil, more like being protective. And it happened way past the point of conflict > He was threatened and only escalated to be a dick about it after they were a dick to him. How was he threatened? These people were barely speaking English, which the guy started mocking from the very beginning of the conversation, before he could even figure out what they were even asking for. > Have we watched the same video? Honestly asking the same question. Am rewatching 9:00-10:00 how the lady tries to ask the guy not to film, but he just mocks her: "No disco? No disco? Whot, the ChInEsE GoVeRnMeNt will jail us?" How is this not being a dick? At about the 10:00 another asian guy steps in and says "basically we ask you, whatever you do, don't publish our faces on TV, we will appreciate that" The piano guy responds: "What happens if I don't?" The asian guy responds: "We'll just really just appreciate if you do. We are very sensitive to this kind of thing. Sorry, we really like your music, yada-yada". The asian guy clearly tries to deescalate and ask nicely, while the piano guy is all like "oh yeah? Watcha gonna do?" How is this threatening? > He is also quite well within his rights So are people who listen to loud music when a baby is sleeping next door. They are quite within their rights, but this hardly makes them any less terrible people for doing it just to make a point.
babelthuap 3y ago
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bemusedthrow75 3y ago
Not sure who first said it but: a true musician is someone who could play boogie-woogie on the public piano, but chooses not to.
greatgib 3y ago
In this video, something that amaze me and that is quite unique to UK in my opinion is how correct and respectful are the police officers. In most countries, they would have used (and abused) of their authority to yell at the guy. Telling him that he has to shut up whatever they say even if not true. And otherwise it would be police offense. Here, despite the tension they keep their calm, try to stay respectful and not aggressive and do what they can to defuse the situation. In my opinion, it works very well to have the person in front reduce their aggressivity.
- bemusedthrow75 3y ago
  They can also sound this way when they are incorrect and disrespectful. Ask any young black person who has chuckled at a police officer who has rolled out the "strong smell of cannabis" excuse on a public street to single them out rather than the pungent, oblivious white stoner walking ahead of them who you can still smell 100 feet away!
- em-bee 3y ago
  and he keeps calling her "kerry"? like is that her first name? in austria that would earn him a citation for disrespecting the police.
  - SauciestGNU 3y ago
    It's shockingly dystopian to me as an American that you could get a citation for using a cop's name.
    - em-bee 3y ago
      part of the reason is that german language still distinguishes between personal and formal adressing, whereas in english it is all "you". using a firstname is clearly informal, although i feel that in this video the addressing does not come across as informal or showing lack of respect, more like familiarity of some form that this policewoman somehow allowed. german/austrian culture is still very much about respect. and as i wrote on a seemingly completely different topic yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39077136 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39077136 german/austrian culture is way more conservative than the rest of the world (and austria is more conservative than germany) , at least for western ideas of what is conservative. in different aspects some asian cultures (most notably japan) are extremely conservative in their own way.
bemusedthrow75 3y ago
Also: middle-aged white British guy talking about the CCP is a bit of a British alt-right trope; it's a term that is flung around in any context where rights, authority or infringements are discussed. So it's not remotely surprising to see it applied to actual Chinese people, whether there's justification or not.
0xSNAFU 3y ago
It's interesting this is getting "flagged" and "unflagged" a few times - I think it is 100% on topic here.
- Lockal 3y ago
  HN always has interesting flagging rate for links related to CCP.
g-b-r 3y ago
The chinese guy becomes a huge moron when he claims he touched her, but the pianist is a big jerk as well. Calling "freedom" the right to film (and publish on YouTube) anyone is ludicrous (yeah I know how many Americans do that). Your freedom ends when others' freedoms begin, and if you had to assume that everything you do in public would be stored forever for the world to see your freedom just tanked.
- swat535 3y ago
  That's already what your assumption should be.. don't go out in the public if you don't like to be filmed. We have freedom laws specifically for this so I am failing to see your point for this? Public spaces are _public_ .
  - g-b-r 3y ago
    You fail to see how not going out in public is a reduction of freedom?
    - mmh0000 3y ago
      How do you feel about all the surveillance cameras permeating society?
      - g-b-r 3y ago
        Extremely bad Were you born after they spread, by any chance?
        mmh0000 3y ago
        My point is, you're being filmed in most all public spaces all the time. Some rando filming doesn't really change the amount of privacy you do or don't have. EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/thrxuy/iso_surveillance_camera_man_cant_seem_to_find_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/thrxuy/iso_surveill...
swat535 3y ago
FYI, OP has posted an update, looks like they are trying take it down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ1BtQ6AEyM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ1BtQ6AEyM
- morninglight 3y ago
  The "Chinese" people in the video need to be positively identified. Their demeanor is strikingly out of line with the behavior of Chinese tourists. Their tactics resemble a Falun Gong effort to discredit the CCP. The first step is to identify them.
  - MiiMe19 3y ago
    I think that assuming that the people waving Chinese flags are not Chinese without any evidence to support that is a bit of a logic leap.
ShaolinTrooper 3y ago
The thing is that the Chinese people didn't want to be filmed because they knew it will be published on Youtube for revenue and that's what they didn't want. They allow people to film on a normal basis because it will not be published for profit. That's what Brendan didn't understand in the first place. The Chinese man was in the wrong for escalating the situation gathering more attention and it seemed like he was making it look like they were being oppressed. We need the side of the Chinese people on this. We'll see.
- Shaolol 3y ago
  They were in the wrong for thinking they could force someone to stop recording their faces in public. "Please don't record us. No? Okay. Have a nice day." The Chinese people need to learn to abide by the customs, rules, and etiquette of the countries they visit, work in, or live in.
- ghostpepper 3y ago
  Can you explain what being filmed “for revenue” has to do with it?
  - ShaolinTrooper 3y ago
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ShaolinTrooper 3y ago
I've watched the video again. Brendan tried to get the Chinese woman to "dance" and made a remark that British girls are more fun which was really inappropriate and disrespectful when the Chinese woman respectfully disagreed to dance. The Chinese woman then again respectfully requested to not film them in a nice tone and not in a condescending way well at least not to me. Brendan then again started to retaliate and did not respect the request which is by the way, not that hard to honor such a request. Brendan could've moved on and just played music after that but instead, he wanted to make a fuss about it and for me, it looked like he tried to escalate it. The Chinese guy then comes in to explain in a very commanding voice because Brendan isn't listening and being dismissive of the whole thing. He explained clearly that they do not give consent on being included in the video because they are way in the background and Brendan had the camera point to the Chinese group in the background for the "dance" request. The Chinese guy then sounds frustrated when his initial request was not even acknowledged by Brendan and was answered in retaliation by asking a question instead of respecting the request which should've been a fair request to begin with. Brendan then escalates further by saying "We are not in Communist China" which was way out of line and very racist because in this conversation, their country of origin is irrelevant. They are just people asking not to be included in the video which by the way is used for profit. It's not a Chinese thing to not be included in any video by the way. To me, Brendan / Dr. K was in the wrong in this one. He clearly did not listen and tried to be a dick about it making it all about "FREE SPEECH" when clearly it's not.
- evolvevia 3y ago
  > to not film them in a nice tone and not in a condescending way well at least not to me. > Brendan then again started to retaliate and did not respect the request which is by the way, not that hard to honor such a request. It was a livestream - to stop recording means ending the stream, which he didn't want to do when there's thousands of viewers watching. If the group didn't want to be filmed, they could have just..moved out of camera shot.
  - ShaolinTrooper 3y ago
    That was the easiest way for a very peaceful conversation but the Chinese nationals looked like they wanted smoke and fought for what they thought was right. It escalated because Brendan retaliated and we ended up with this mess.
baybayfish 3y ago
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tpoacher 3y ago
Aaand here's the inevitable doxxing that's now come out from having this video being posted, if anyone's still reading this thread. https://9gag.com/gag/a8qZ9vO https://9gag.com/gag/a8qZ9vO Given how predictable this kind of mob reaction was, I still maintain the person filming was a dick; within legal rights or otherwise. Some of the comments here gleefully implying FAFO / Streisand Effect and the like, are baffling to say the least. Meanwhile, this explanation from one of the people involved sounds very sensible: https://twitter.com/Byron_Wan/status/1749626454021992852 https://twitter.com/Byron_Wan/status/1749626454021992852
- Shaolol 3y ago
  "very sensible" - Starts off describing own group in glowing terms. - Centers piano as flashpoint while ignoring own group's demands to not be recorded, to stop streaming, and to delete video. - Ends up impugning and blaming streamer. This isn't a sensible response. This is casting blame solely on the other party. A guilty child could have written this. Stop falling for this.
  - ghostpepper 3y ago
    Interesting that it’s been deleted now also

98 points by qwertyuiop_ 3y ago

I see very similar cultural clashes often in my work routine as an open-source developer (based in Europe) working in the wild. With some cultures there is a much bigger gap to fill.

ilamont 3y ago

I once read that France has some sort of law about photographing people who don’t want to be included in a picture in a public place. Does the UK have something similar, or is this a “little wolf warrior” misunderstanding what he can demand or do abroad?

0xSNAFU 3y ago
> Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel. https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/ph/photography-advice https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/ph/p...
- markb139 3y ago
  I think the train station is private property.
  - gruez 3y ago
    IANAL but "public places" is orthogonal to "private property". A mall is private property but there's no expectation of privacy because it's a "public space".
- tpoacher 3y ago
  What's on that link describes a very different situation from "should you be allowed to film and post online (for profit no less) private citizens who have explicitly withdrawn their consent, just because you happen to be filming them in a public place?" The police are public officials. The law in question says it is not illegal for citizens to record public officials, including police officers. I would imagine this is partly to help citizens keep their police force accountable. So this person was well within their rights to 'not have a private conversation' with the police officer. But it's a very different situation from, say, filming someone who does not wish to be filmed, or harassing someone in public by filming them and then posting online publicly, and pretending it's fine just because you were in a 'public place'. The technical legality of the situation aside, given that these individuals politely (initially) requested their faces be not shown on public youtube videos (for profit no less), and this person made no effort to even blur at the very least, then I have a hard time finding right with him. We're not even talking about whether a private individual should have the right to film such that this might be presented as evidence in a court of law if required. So this is not a free speech issue. This person is simply putting it on youtube for money. Without reasonable consent. Yes not everyone in the video needs to give consent, as this can be implied if they walked through a scene and the recording was 'non-hidden'. But these people explicitly denied consent. There must be some sort of GDPR thing at play here at the very least.
  - hashtag-til 3y ago
    If the police doesn't have such rights to stop filming anyone. I guess we can imagine a CCP rando probably don't have more permission than police. Apart from that, it's sensible to understand if you're just background on somebody's recording in a public space and don't want to appear, just walk away.
    - foverzar 3y ago
      > if you're just background on somebody's recording in a public space and don't want to appear, just walk away. He approached them first. They declined participating and in about 3 minutes one woman approached him back and asked not to put their faces on TV - that's when the whole fuss had started.
      - evolvevia 3y ago
        > He approached them first. Watch the full livestream. The Chinese group approaches the piano first, and one woman even dances along to his playing. Later a few more people join the Chinese group, one of which appears to be a producer as he's handing out scripts. The piano player approaches the Chinese group to say hi to the new members, and suddenly they have a problem with him filming. The simplest explanation is the most likely - they're a Chinese TV crew who want to use the piano, but they don't have a commercial filming permit and/or UK working visas.
  - Shaolol 3y ago
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em-bee 3y ago
in germany this applies only to people who are subject of the recording. as in this case the subject of the recording was the piano players, and other people were just background, the right does not apply. if they didn't want to be filmed they should have walked away.
maeln 3y ago
> I once read that France has some sort of law about photographing people who don’t want to be included in a picture in a public place. For more details, it is not about photographing people (it is perfectly legal in public places) but publishing (in any form, press or social media) the picture. The law apply if you single out a person or a group of person (so if someone is in the background and not the main focus of the picture/video, the law doesn't apply) and if a prejudice of any form can be attributed to the picture. This video would actually be an interesting case (if it was in France), because one could argue that the people asking not to be in the video where not the main focus and therefor would not be protected by law. But at the same time, the way it was published put a strong emphasis on the fact that they asked not to be in the video, therefore making them the main focus of the video, even though it is of their own volition.
- greatgib 3y ago
  But there is an exception to the law that would probably apply in this case: You can't restrict the right of publishing the video is it is in the context of a demonstration, a "manifestation" (that means more an event in French), or that it is news worthy or of public interest. As the Chinese were there demonstrating to support the Chinese CCP propaganda or something or that sort, anyone could have recorded them directly in isolation I think.
wuxb 3y ago
If I peed in my pant (or in a similar awkward situation) and someone happened to have filmed it. What kind of legal rights (if any) do I have to remove my shameful moment from the Internet?
- g-b-r 3y ago
  It depends if you're in a country that believes filming that is freedom :rolleyes:

cassianoleal 3y ago

The title of the video is "Police Called To Stop Filming During Piano Livestream". There are no indications that the people who (very wrongfully) approached them are members of the CCP. They may well be but there's nothing in the video supporting that.

jacknews 3y ago
Perhaps it's a kindness. The title otherwise would be 'patriotic Chinese people threaten' ...
- gruez 3y ago
  I'm not sure that's any better. Imagine assuming every american is CIA, or every russian is FSB.
  - jacknews 3y ago
    that doesn't follow. they are waving PRC flags, therefore they are 'patriotic'. but maybe not members of the CCP, as the poster pointed out.
    - gruez 3y ago
      >they are waving PRC flags, therefore they are 'patriotic'. >but maybe not members of the CCP, as the poster pointed out. I'm not claiming that because they're patriotic that they're CCP members. In fact if you read my comment more carefully I'm claiming the opposite, by pointing out how absurd it is to assume a patriotic American to be a CIA agent. I'm not sure how doing so is "kindness".
      - jacknews 3y ago
        Well it's a kindness to ordinary patriotic Chinese people, who don't go around trying to bully people who happen to be filming, like the CPP might.

rdtsc 3y ago

The "stop touching her" part was interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65iwnI2hjAA&t=791s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65iwnI2hjAA&t=791s One member of the group of waving the Chinese flag in Brendan's direction. He seems to have touched the flag or put his hand forward to touch the flag. The man with the group starting yelling very loudly "stop touching her". But it wasn't a desperate cry for help, it was very deliberate and forced in a way. He realized all of the sudden he could get Brendan in trouble. The other members in the group were happily smiling in the background, obviously not bothered by this horrible "touch assault". When police came, the Chinese man immediately ran towards the police to be the first to tell his story. So there seems to be some awareness that "touching" is not allowed here, but I think with a bit practice they might find out about Streisand effect and filming in public too [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

x3n0ph3n3 3y ago
It was even more interesting how the guy who yelled it felt important to call out the difference in their ages.
2-718-281-828 3y ago
text book public bullying trick #23 ... use any reason or no reason to viciously announce as loud as possible that you feel threatened and then some loud remarks to manifest your moral high ground. disgusting. experienced it myself at least once.
- ShaolinTrooper 3y ago
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rainbowzootsuit 3y ago
"He's coming right for us!"

andsoitis 3y ago

It looks like the individuals were trolling him ("don't share video online that shows us in the picture...") or just trying to pick a fight. Unfortunately, these days you have to assume that someone is taking video or photos in public space and it might mean you end up online without your permission. In very rare cases such a video might go viral which then can draw attention to yourself.

danielspace23 3y ago
Why would they be trolling him? They're asking for the basic courtesy of not having their faces shown online, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me. It seems like the pianist is the one who wanted to pick a fight: instead of getting the cameraperson to point away from them and explaining the situation politely, he went on a rant on how they're not in "communist" China, and it's a free country. In general, the whole approach towards them seems sketchy. Earlier in the video he calls it a group of Japanese people, despite them clearly having Chinese flags, and he asks them if they can dance. That's a bit weird, isn't it?
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > Why would they be trolling him? They're asking for the basic courtesy of not having their faces shown online, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me. It seems like the pianist is the one who wanted to pick a fight: instead of getting the cameraperson to point away from them This is a huge public area with lots of empty space (I looked at the video). When I see people recording themselves in public and I think I might be in the picture, I get out of the frame (or turn my back), rather than go up to them and insist "don't post any video that shows my face". Yes, he engaged them on principle - I agree with his principles, but he should have just ignored the people antagonizing him. And they have not heard of the Streissand effect.
  - foverzar 3y ago
    > Streissand effect If truly understood their sentiment, it's probably way less uncomfortable to be published actively protesting the use of your image.

foverzar 3y ago

So, some asian-looking people asked the guy not to film them and the guy decided to be a loud dick about the whole thing, while almost assaulting one of the women. "CCP members threaten British public piano player", right. I get that some countries still don't have a legal requirement to blur people in the background (or at least when they asked you to), but this is a common courtesy and basic politeness every semi-professional vlogger understands. Just don't be evil.

piva00 3y ago
It was pretty evil of the Asian-looking guy shouting "DON'T TOUCH HER" "You're not of the same age". He was threatened and only escalated to be a dick about it after they were a dick to him. He is also quite well within his rights, trying to intimidate him to stop doing it is pretty fucking evil as well. Have we watched the same video?
- foverzar 3y ago
  > It was pretty evil of the Asian-looking guy shouting "DON'T TOUCH HER" "You're not of the same age". It was hysterical, but I don't see how is this evil, more like being protective. And it happened way past the point of conflict > He was threatened and only escalated to be a dick about it after they were a dick to him. How was he threatened? These people were barely speaking English, which the guy started mocking from the very beginning of the conversation, before he could even figure out what they were even asking for. > Have we watched the same video? Honestly asking the same question. Am rewatching 9:00-10:00 how the lady tries to ask the guy not to film, but he just mocks her: "No disco? No disco? Whot, the ChInEsE GoVeRnMeNt will jail us?" How is this not being a dick? At about the 10:00 another asian guy steps in and says "basically we ask you, whatever you do, don't publish our faces on TV, we will appreciate that" The piano guy responds: "What happens if I don't?" The asian guy responds: "We'll just really just appreciate if you do. We are very sensitive to this kind of thing. Sorry, we really like your music, yada-yada". The asian guy clearly tries to deescalate and ask nicely, while the piano guy is all like "oh yeah? Watcha gonna do?" How is this threatening? > He is also quite well within his rights So are people who listen to loud music when a baby is sleeping next door. They are quite within their rights, but this hardly makes them any less terrible people for doing it just to make a point.

babelthuap 3y ago

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bemusedthrow75 3y ago

Not sure who first said it but: a true musician is someone who could play boogie-woogie on the public piano, but chooses not to.

greatgib 3y ago

In this video, something that amaze me and that is quite unique to UK in my opinion is how correct and respectful are the police officers. In most countries, they would have used (and abused) of their authority to yell at the guy. Telling him that he has to shut up whatever they say even if not true. And otherwise it would be police offense. Here, despite the tension they keep their calm, try to stay respectful and not aggressive and do what they can to defuse the situation. In my opinion, it works very well to have the person in front reduce their aggressivity.

bemusedthrow75 3y ago
They can also sound this way when they are incorrect and disrespectful. Ask any young black person who has chuckled at a police officer who has rolled out the "strong smell of cannabis" excuse on a public street to single them out rather than the pungent, oblivious white stoner walking ahead of them who you can still smell 100 feet away!
em-bee 3y ago
and he keeps calling her "kerry"? like is that her first name? in austria that would earn him a citation for disrespecting the police.
- SauciestGNU 3y ago
  It's shockingly dystopian to me as an American that you could get a citation for using a cop's name.
  - em-bee 3y ago
    part of the reason is that german language still distinguishes between personal and formal adressing, whereas in english it is all "you". using a firstname is clearly informal, although i feel that in this video the addressing does not come across as informal or showing lack of respect, more like familiarity of some form that this policewoman somehow allowed. german/austrian culture is still very much about respect. and as i wrote on a seemingly completely different topic yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39077136 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39077136 german/austrian culture is way more conservative than the rest of the world (and austria is more conservative than germany) , at least for western ideas of what is conservative. in different aspects some asian cultures (most notably japan) are extremely conservative in their own way.

bemusedthrow75 3y ago

Also: middle-aged white British guy talking about the CCP is a bit of a British alt-right trope; it's a term that is flung around in any context where rights, authority or infringements are discussed. So it's not remotely surprising to see it applied to actual Chinese people, whether there's justification or not.

0xSNAFU 3y ago

It's interesting this is getting "flagged" and "unflagged" a few times - I think it is 100% on topic here.

Lockal 3y ago
HN always has interesting flagging rate for links related to CCP.

g-b-r 3y ago

The chinese guy becomes a huge moron when he claims he touched her, but the pianist is a big jerk as well. Calling "freedom" the right to film (and publish on YouTube) anyone is ludicrous (yeah I know how many Americans do that). Your freedom ends when others' freedoms begin, and if you had to assume that everything you do in public would be stored forever for the world to see your freedom just tanked.

swat535 3y ago
That's already what your assumption should be.. don't go out in the public if you don't like to be filmed. We have freedom laws specifically for this so I am failing to see your point for this? Public spaces are _public_ .
- g-b-r 3y ago
  You fail to see how not going out in public is a reduction of freedom?
  - mmh0000 3y ago
    How do you feel about all the surveillance cameras permeating society?
    - g-b-r 3y ago
      Extremely bad Were you born after they spread, by any chance?
      - mmh0000 3y ago
        My point is, you're being filmed in most all public spaces all the time. Some rando filming doesn't really change the amount of privacy you do or don't have. EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/thrxuy/iso_surveillance_camera_man_cant_seem_to_find_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/thrxuy/iso_surveill...

swat535 3y ago

FYI, OP has posted an update, looks like they are trying take it down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ1BtQ6AEyM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ1BtQ6AEyM

morninglight 3y ago
The "Chinese" people in the video need to be positively identified. Their demeanor is strikingly out of line with the behavior of Chinese tourists. Their tactics resemble a Falun Gong effort to discredit the CCP. The first step is to identify them.
- MiiMe19 3y ago
  I think that assuming that the people waving Chinese flags are not Chinese without any evidence to support that is a bit of a logic leap.

ShaolinTrooper 3y ago

The thing is that the Chinese people didn't want to be filmed because they knew it will be published on Youtube for revenue and that's what they didn't want. They allow people to film on a normal basis because it will not be published for profit. That's what Brendan didn't understand in the first place. The Chinese man was in the wrong for escalating the situation gathering more attention and it seemed like he was making it look like they were being oppressed. We need the side of the Chinese people on this. We'll see.

Shaolol 3y ago
They were in the wrong for thinking they could force someone to stop recording their faces in public. "Please don't record us. No? Okay. Have a nice day." The Chinese people need to learn to abide by the customs, rules, and etiquette of the countries they visit, work in, or live in.
ghostpepper 3y ago
Can you explain what being filmed “for revenue” has to do with it?
- ShaolinTrooper 3y ago
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ShaolinTrooper 3y ago

I've watched the video again. Brendan tried to get the Chinese woman to "dance" and made a remark that British girls are more fun which was really inappropriate and disrespectful when the Chinese woman respectfully disagreed to dance. The Chinese woman then again respectfully requested to not film them in a nice tone and not in a condescending way well at least not to me. Brendan then again started to retaliate and did not respect the request which is by the way, not that hard to honor such a request. Brendan could've moved on and just played music after that but instead, he wanted to make a fuss about it and for me, it looked like he tried to escalate it. The Chinese guy then comes in to explain in a very commanding voice because Brendan isn't listening and being dismissive of the whole thing. He explained clearly that they do not give consent on being included in the video because they are way in the background and Brendan had the camera point to the Chinese group in the background for the "dance" request. The Chinese guy then sounds frustrated when his initial request was not even acknowledged by Brendan and was answered in retaliation by asking a question instead of respecting the request which should've been a fair request to begin with. Brendan then escalates further by saying "We are not in Communist China" which was way out of line and very racist because in this conversation, their country of origin is irrelevant. They are just people asking not to be included in the video which by the way is used for profit. It's not a Chinese thing to not be included in any video by the way. To me, Brendan / Dr. K was in the wrong in this one. He clearly did not listen and tried to be a dick about it making it all about "FREE SPEECH" when clearly it's not.

evolvevia 3y ago
> to not film them in a nice tone and not in a condescending way well at least not to me. > Brendan then again started to retaliate and did not respect the request which is by the way, not that hard to honor such a request. It was a livestream - to stop recording means ending the stream, which he didn't want to do when there's thousands of viewers watching. If the group didn't want to be filmed, they could have just..moved out of camera shot.
- ShaolinTrooper 3y ago
  That was the easiest way for a very peaceful conversation but the Chinese nationals looked like they wanted smoke and fought for what they thought was right. It escalated because Brendan retaliated and we ended up with this mess.

baybayfish 3y ago

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tpoacher 3y ago

Aaand here's the inevitable doxxing that's now come out from having this video being posted, if anyone's still reading this thread. https://9gag.com/gag/a8qZ9vO https://9gag.com/gag/a8qZ9vO Given how predictable this kind of mob reaction was, I still maintain the person filming was a dick; within legal rights or otherwise. Some of the comments here gleefully implying FAFO / Streisand Effect and the like, are baffling to say the least. Meanwhile, this explanation from one of the people involved sounds very sensible: https://twitter.com/Byron_Wan/status/1749626454021992852 https://twitter.com/Byron_Wan/status/1749626454021992852

Shaolol 3y ago
"very sensible" - Starts off describing own group in glowing terms. - Centers piano as flashpoint while ignoring own group's demands to not be recorded, to stop streaming, and to delete video. - Ends up impugning and blaming streamer. This isn't a sensible response. This is casting blame solely on the other party. A guilty child could have written this. Stop falling for this.
- ghostpepper 3y ago
  Interesting that it’s been deleted now also