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1.7%

by a-french-anon 3y ago

1.7%

Alifatisk 3y ago
What do you mean?
- a-french-anon 3y ago
  https://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/09/15/nvidia-gt300-yeilds-under-2/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/09/15/nvidia-gt300-yeilds-... Old memes die hard
  - ethbr1 3y ago
    Does anyone know how yields are billed, e.g. by TSMC? If I'm Nvidia, and I contract for X volume on Y process, and TSMC delivers it with Z yield... how does the +/- to Z work? I'd assume it isn't completely Nvidia's to eat? More like there's an expected yield and then bonuses / penalties to TSMC for above/below that?
andrewstuart 3y ago
I would have said 1.3.
WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
Those who try may get 1.7% Those who don't may forever get 0%
- adhesive_wombat 3y ago
  Wayne Gretzky's post-retirement career in semiconductor engineering may not have been expected, but seems to be going well.
  - blihp 3y ago
    That's because he doesn't design for where the state of the art chips are, he designs for where they are going to be.
- berserk1010 3y ago
  China doesn't have the money nor economy to support such low yield effort for long term China has ordered its local governments to halt public-private partnership projects identified as "problematic" and replaced a 10% budget spending allowance for these ventures with a vetting mechanism by Beijing as it tries to curb municipal debt risks. https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/china-orders-local-governments-cut-exposure-public-private-projects-debt-risks-2023-11-14/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/china-orders-local-gove... China’s Economy Has Picked Up Traits Reminiscent Of The Great Depression. https://www.forbes.com/sites/miltonezrati/2024/01/22/chinas-economy-has-picked-up-traits-reminiscent-of-the-great-depression/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/miltonezrati/2024/01/22/chinas-... Also from unconfirmed resource: Central government orders high debt load places like Tianjin, Inner Mongolia, Heilongjiang, Chungking, Guizhou, and a few others to stop any new constructions in 2024, and only allow constructions to provide water, electric, or heat.
  - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
    Every year, economists are saying China is collapsing.. yet they keep deliver, they seem immune to the organized FUD
    - adventured 3y ago
      Collapse hasn't been the suggestion in fact. That's a straw premise to distract from the negative claims (which are supported by persistently bad economic data). The US didn't collapse due to the great depression either. What is being suggested, is that China is facing a very bad economic stretch as a result of their extraordinarily poor command economy choices. Beijing's fabled (supposed) long-term thinking has shown itself to be a complete fraud. The Emperor, Xi, is wearing no clothes, as is the case with all dictators. An economy the scale and complexity of China's can't be run effectively with an authoritarian command approach. We have been seeing the proof of that increasingly since the great recession hit, wherein China switched to forever stimulus & debt fakery to prop up their flagging economy. In the span of a decade China became the most indebted nation in world history, while their growth sank below that of the US (which is a very mature, slower growth economy). And now the imploding demographics are setting in hard and fast, while the affluent world shuns China (leaving them with key partners like Russia, Iran, North Korea). It's quite obvious that while China kicked the can down the road for a long time, the cost of doing so just keeps increasing in the form of negatives on their economy.

1.7%

Alifatisk 3y ago

What do you mean?

a-french-anon 3y ago
https://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/09/15/nvidia-gt300-yeilds-under-2/ https://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/09/15/nvidia-gt300-yeilds-... Old memes die hard
- ethbr1 3y ago
  Does anyone know how yields are billed, e.g. by TSMC? If I'm Nvidia, and I contract for X volume on Y process, and TSMC delivers it with Z yield... how does the +/- to Z work? I'd assume it isn't completely Nvidia's to eat? More like there's an expected yield and then bonuses / penalties to TSMC for above/below that?

andrewstuart 3y ago

I would have said 1.3.

WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago

Those who try may get 1.7% Those who don't may forever get 0%

adhesive_wombat 3y ago
Wayne Gretzky's post-retirement career in semiconductor engineering may not have been expected, but seems to be going well.
- blihp 3y ago
  That's because he doesn't design for where the state of the art chips are, he designs for where they are going to be.
berserk1010 3y ago
China doesn't have the money nor economy to support such low yield effort for long term China has ordered its local governments to halt public-private partnership projects identified as "problematic" and replaced a 10% budget spending allowance for these ventures with a vetting mechanism by Beijing as it tries to curb municipal debt risks. https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/china-orders-local-governments-cut-exposure-public-private-projects-debt-risks-2023-11-14/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/china-orders-local-gove... China’s Economy Has Picked Up Traits Reminiscent Of The Great Depression. https://www.forbes.com/sites/miltonezrati/2024/01/22/chinas-economy-has-picked-up-traits-reminiscent-of-the-great-depression/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/miltonezrati/2024/01/22/chinas-... Also from unconfirmed resource: Central government orders high debt load places like Tianjin, Inner Mongolia, Heilongjiang, Chungking, Guizhou, and a few others to stop any new constructions in 2024, and only allow constructions to provide water, electric, or heat.
- WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
  Every year, economists are saying China is collapsing.. yet they keep deliver, they seem immune to the organized FUD
  - adventured 3y ago
    Collapse hasn't been the suggestion in fact. That's a straw premise to distract from the negative claims (which are supported by persistently bad economic data). The US didn't collapse due to the great depression either. What is being suggested, is that China is facing a very bad economic stretch as a result of their extraordinarily poor command economy choices. Beijing's fabled (supposed) long-term thinking has shown itself to be a complete fraud. The Emperor, Xi, is wearing no clothes, as is the case with all dictators. An economy the scale and complexity of China's can't be run effectively with an authoritarian command approach. We have been seeing the proof of that increasingly since the great recession hit, wherein China switched to forever stimulus & debt fakery to prop up their flagging economy. In the span of a decade China became the most indebted nation in world history, while their growth sank below that of the US (which is a very mature, slower growth economy). And now the imploding demographics are setting in hard and fast, while the affluent world shuns China (leaving them with key partners like Russia, Iran, North Korea). It's quite obvious that while China kicked the can down the road for a long time, the cost of doing so just keeps increasing in the form of negatives on their economy.