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OpenAI suspends bot developer for presidential hopeful Dean Phillips
- brianjking 3y agohttps://archive.is/RUNYd https://archive.is/RUNYd
- h2odragon 3y agohttps://archive.ph/RUNYd https://archive.ph/RUNYd Interesting, especially in light of yesterday's assertions that they're supporting Phillips: "Silicon Valley insiders are trying to unseat Biden with help from AI" https://archive.ph/DSrM5 https://archive.ph/DSrM5
- sp332 3y agoOpenAI recently removed the restriction in their ToS against military uses. Maybe there was a merge conflict when another team tried to removed the restrictions on electoral campaigning.
- RobotToaster 3y agoOr they got a tasty military contract, and part of that was conditioned on not upsetting the current administration.
- diggan 3y agoIn short, trying their hardest to follow "avoid enabling uses of AI or AGI that harm humanity or unduly concentrate power"
- hartator 3y ago> Or they got a tasty military contract, and part of that was conditioned on not upsetting the current administration. Killing people is okay, political bot making fun of current admin is not.
- jasonjmcghee 3y agoI'm hoping they modify the language to something to the effect of banning use related to enacting violence (and the other similar cases) as opposed to removing it entirely. My understanding was it was pretty blanket in terms of what wasn't allowed to the point that mundane use cases still weren't allowed. Maybe it's not a weaponizing contract. Maybe I'm too optimistic
- baq 3y agoKilling people outside of US is more ok than meddling with US politics and/or elections. I mean that as not at all a dark joke, it’s just a fact.
- consumer451 3y ago> A new super PAC tied to OpenAI CEO Sam Altman and billionaire Bill Ackman is backing Democratic challenger Dean Phillips Oh, well that's a pairing I didn't see coming for some reason. PAC website: https://www.wedeservebetter.us/ https://www.wedeservebetter.us/
- thatguymike 3y agoI'm suspicious that any organization Sam Altman and Bill Ackman are involved in would have a spelling mistake on their front page. > " Stagnate wages for two decades"
- big_whack 3y agoDean Phillips seems relevant to this community. He has proposed cabinet positions for Elon Musk and Bill Ackman, and announced yesterday that he might be interested in running in the general under the No Labels ticket. My understanding is that to make that work, he would need to switch parties pretty soon in order not to be affected by sore loser laws in many states that would prevent him from switching parties after the primary. To me he appears to be an obvious Republican spoiler effort pushed by some of the wealthiest people in tech including Musk and Altman. If it were my boss pushing this I would be incensed.
- fullshark 3y agoAndrew Yang endorsed him also
- stuaxo 3y agoBloody hell.
- fallingknife 3y agoAnd I would vote for him over the nonsense the Republicans and Democrats are offering any day.
- big_whack 3y agoThat's not really the point, the point is it's not an honest campaign. Elon Musk isn't donating money because he thinks Phillips will win, he's doing it because he thinks it'll help Trump win. Because Phillips needs to act soon, he can't wait as he says until Joe Biden appears unable to win. He needs to make that assessment in a week or two, before the general campaign even really starts -- so it isn't honest. IMO it is fine to run for president, and to vote for whoever you want. But running a campaign that is really intended to just give the edge to another guy, is dirty politics intended to fool voters with an illusion of choice. When the richest people in the country engage in those tactics, isn't democratic, it's plainly oligarchic.
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- alchemist1e9 3y agoThe market for completely anonymous and uncensored models via API must be huge. How come nothing exists yet?
- AbrahamParangi 3y agohttps://replicate.com https://replicate.com does in fact already exist.
- alchemist1e9 3y agoCan’t this bot developer just switch to them then? as replicate can’t know what it is being used for I would assume. Perhaps there was fine tuning or RAG being used that still needs a private and anonymous service solution.
- lolinder 3y agoThey have a list of prohibited uses which, though not has extensive as OpenAI's, includes this gem at the end (emphasis added): > To engage in any other conduct that restricts or inhibits anyone’s use or enjoyment of Service, or which, as determined by us, may harm or offend Company or users of Service or expose them to liability. Edit: Also, their privacy policy makes it clear that "completely anonymous" is not a thing they offer— they collect emails and IP addresses, transmit them to the United States, and will deliver them to law enforcement upon request. https://replicate.com/privacy https://replicate.com/privacy
- alchemist1e9 3y agoSo it’s not anonymous then because they see what the customer is generating? Otherwise how can they know what it’s being used for?
- lolinder 3y agoYes, it's definitely not anonymous. I added to my comment right as you replied—they collect IP addresses and usage data and explicitly say they will share that with law enforcement upon request. It's a US-based company, so they kind of have to.
- defen 3y ago> Dean.Bot, which could converse with voters in real-time through a website, was an early use of an emerging technology that researchers have said could cause significant harm to elections. Goodness, imagine if people vote for the wrong candidates! How would democracy recover from that?
- ceejayoz 3y agoThe recovery can look like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan
- Spivak 3y agoI can't really fault them for hard banning anything to do with politics given that "propaganda but tailored to the individual, is reasonably articulate, and it scales!" is one of the things that might earn this technology heavy restrictions and they don't want any more attention on them than they already have. I'm surprised that a forum of technologists doesn't even attempt to see the somewhat accidental strings that allow society to run efficiently as somewhat trusting with a cheap bullshit detector. If you break that down everything grinds to a halt.
- koolba 3y agoHa! I’m sure they’re fine with anything that purely encourages voting. As long as the right folks are the ones being encouraged.
- ravenstine 3y agoIt's propaganda when we don't like it, and a civil duty when we do!
- defen 3y agoSo they should just say "we're worried about our reputation" rather than say it's a threat to democracy. Why is push-polling not a "threat to democracy"? How about emotionally manipulative imagery in television ads? Or use of detailed demographic, geographic, and purchasing information for ad targeting?
- wayeq 3y agoWashingtonpost.com - "Democracy Dies Behind a Paywall"
- thorum 3y agoIt’s hard to believe ChatGPT would even work for this, unless this politician’s values and positions are identical to ones OpenAI have trained ChatGPT to have, the pretraining is going to leak through no matter what instructions they stuff into the prompt.
- logicchains 3y ago>unless this politician’s values and positions are identical to ones OpenAI have trained ChatGPT to have That's not far-fetched if he's Sam Altman's preferred candidate.
- beej71 3y agoI certainly wouldn't trust it to not say some seriously embarrassing stuff as people mess with the prompts.
- solardev 3y agoCan we just cut out the middleman and vote for ChatGPT directly? I'd trust it more than any of the last few presidents.
- 0xedd 3y agoPropaganda by the opposition - Bad. Propaganda by the leadership - Good. Got it!
- belter 3y agoI believe we will see the day when we have an LLM model running for President. Thinking about it...maybe we should start with the Supreme Court...
- dataking 3y ago> maybe we should start with the Supreme Court... sounds like that's going to be more of a textualist than living document LLM ;-)
- selcuka 3y ago> I believe we will see the day when we have an LLM model running for President. An LLM would probably win a landslide victory over its (human) opposition, if the voters don't know that they are voting for a robot.
- squirtle24 3y agoWe (the voters) could also have our own LLMs that the candidate LLM would have to convince to vote for them. We can totally abstract away the whole campaigning BS, just let the LLMs duke it out for us!
- jdksmdbtbdnmsm 3y agoA robot ran for president in 2016 and lost.
- TMWNN 3y ago<http://i.imgur.com/bv7W2x3.gifv http://i.imgur.com/bv7W2x3.gifv> (I'll have you know that Hillary only had to rehearse this quasi human-like reaction for three hours beforehand with her staff.)
- drewcoo 3y ago> LLM model running for President It would need to be 35 years old and born in the USA.
- carbocation 3y agoI can appreciate why companies would not want to be attached to politics in this way, or accused of influencing elections. At the same time, as long as this person is consenting to this (which clearly seems to be the case), I don't think the developers did anything wrong (malum in se). I suppose this is a use-case where people will turn to locally-run models.
- selcuka 3y agoYes, it's apparently consensual and transparent: > Dean.Bot didn’t all-out pretend to be Phillips himself; before engaging with Dean.Bot, website visitors would be shown a disclaimer describing the nature of the chatbot.
- roenxi 3y agoThis is politics - attempting to treat specific situations reasonably is the fast path to a kerfuffle. Note that if Phillips' campaign thinks this would have been good for him, it might easily be perceived bad for someone else. And that is an unstable equilibrium that easily leads to political escalations using OpenAI technology. Clear lines on what shan't be done (lines drawn far away from the real grey areas) is a position that is both prudent and respectable by OpenAI.
- carbocation 3y agoYes, I agree. OpenAI is wise to take this course, and the campaign won't be wrong to work around it by using an open model (in my opinion).
- Aeolun 3y agoIt feels kind of weird to do this to me. Isn’t this what is often touted as free speech?
- minimaxir 3y agoOpenAI is not a government entity.
- richrichie 3y agoPower corrupts. Who would have thought that descendants of freedom hippies will turn out to be petit tyrants!