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The practical value here isn't in banknotes, it's in shredded classified documents. That's the elephant in the room. And it's good for advancing pure research.
by CapitalistCartr 3y ago
The practical value here isn't in banknotes, it's in shredded classified documents. That's the elephant in the room. And it's good for advancing pure research.
- nextaccountic 3y agoShredding seems the wrong tool if one wants to dispose classified documents Why not incinerating, dissolving in acid, grinding into a fine powder, or something like that?
- fifteen1506 3y agoAlso questioned myself. My pet theory is big companies first shred and after send to be burned (or recycled). Plus a shredding machine us safer than a fire device.
- flir 3y agoCynically, if your insurance company says "4mm cross cut and a paper trail to prove it was done", then that's what you do. Why try harder? But yes, paper that's shredded by a specialist paper-shredding company is then typically baled up and sent for recycling.
- dools 3y agoI compost all of my sensitive information that arrives by mail. And whenever I need to dispose of something I can’t compost, like an old drivers license, I cut it into pieces and drip feed the pieces into the garbage over the course of a few months. Call me paranoid but I think there will be a cottage industry in sifting through garbage once this tech gets mature enough!
- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y agoConsidering all of my confidential information has already been leaked by some tech entity or another, yeah a bit paranoid. Concentrated data is juicier than mining trash.
- KennyBlanken 3y agoYour trash bags are ripped open and co-mingled as they're sorted through by workers as it zips by on a conveyor belt. You're being very, very excessively paranoid doing anything more than just cutting it into a piece or two across the ID number.
- shwaj 3y agoLol! I do that with drivers licenses too. I laugh at myself as I do it.
- Scoundreller 3y agoUgh, I had to get a failed bank card replaced at a branch once and had to train the clerk to cut through the chip, not just the magstripe.
- justinclift 3y ago> I cut it into pieces and drip feed the pieces into the garbage over the course of a few months. That seems like both more effort, and potentially less effective, than just burning them?
- hammyhavoc 3y agoPutting it on paper in the first place is a big mistake because it probably isn't encrypted, it has probably been printed (printers are a bit scary in terms of security and privacy), there's cameras everywhere including in every pocket, and documents are easily duped, exfiltrated and observed, and you would likely have no easily-followed log of any of that. You also have to trust whoever does your disposal/recycling, and where there's people, there's dishonesty. Hence "zero trust" as a concept.
- bookofjoe 3y agoTo me "zero trust" = sadness. Can't/won't do it.
- hammyhavoc 3y agoInteresting! What about it makes you sad? I'm happier than ever because I don't need to worry anymore about if something is safe, because I know it is safe. Having sensitive data compromised would make me extremely sad.
- bookofjoe 3y agoConstant vigilance and suspicion erodes my soul.
- EA-3167 3y agoIn many cases incineration is the standard, using so-called burn bags.
- konfusinomicon 3y agoor just shredding into a tank of water and pressing it into pulp
- lupire 3y agoThat's a different problem. In the banknote, case the document is known in advance.
- spitfire 3y agoEach banknote will have a unique serial number. So at least some part of the document will not be known in advance. Though serial numbers are well structured so you can take advantage of that.
- bookofjoe 3y ago>Seven Years After Embassy Seizure, Iran Still Prints U.S. Secrets https://www.nytimes.com/1986/07/10/world/7-years-after-embassy-seizure-iran-still-prints-us-secrets.html https://www.nytimes.com/1986/07/10/world/7-years-after-embas... https://archive.ph/EVbpX https://archive.ph/EVbpX >Among the most interesting papers are shredded secret documents pieced back together by the militants that detail attempts of the Central Intelligence Agency to recruit high-level Iranian officials, ayatollahs and exiles, foreign journalists and diplomats either as paid or ''unwitting'' agents in the months after the revolution in February 1979.
- ok_dad 3y agoI’m surprised they could put them back together. When I shredded top secret documents in the navy when I was a kid, what came out into the bin outside was effectively powder. Those shredders could shred a broomstick! Literally, I shredded a broomstick once, it didn’t even slow down. They were tall so you had to climb on a ladder to reach the top, and they had a massive electric motor that spun a very heavy rotor very fast that would powder the documents. You threw multiple reams worth of paper at once.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y agoIt does seem a colossal failure that a potentially overrun location would not have the real industrial shredders and instead relies upon the consumer style.
- Scoundreller 3y agoor you know, a small fireplace. Tehran sees cool enough overnight temperatures 8-9 months a year to even get some value from the heat.
- NikkiA 3y agoGiven this sample: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_shredder#/media/File:Shredded_1979-09-01_1305Z_CIA_cable_from_American_Embassy_Tehran.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_shredder#/media/File:Shr... It doesn't look like the embassy was even using a cross-cut shredder.