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VMware Kills Off 56 Products
- Invictus0 3y agoThere should be a web quiz "VMWare Product Name" or "Scifi-book technology"
- midasuni 3y agoLooking forward to when aws does this. Lock in and tighten the screws.
- jacquesm 3y agoThat just got a lot easier for them.
- galenmarchetti 3y agowhy? loving aws right now, which products do you think they would keep vs kill
- Unfrozen0688 3y agoBecause then people will move off it.
- ajdjujhhhjeiznc 3y agoPersonally I would like AWS et al. to die so that cloud consultants and their associates will go away and I will be able to stop being lectured about "digital transformation" and "the cloud". It's really all very boring now after seeing the same schtick several times. Probably wishful thinking.
- coolThingsFirst 3y ago[flagged]
- soggybread 3y agoa lot of it is vcenter/vsan/vrealize so pretty big stuff. That being said, they aren't killing it off just killing off the perpetual ownership of those products when you buy a license, now it's subscription based
- radiojosh 3y agoI think it's partially killing off perpetual ownership, but I think I heard they're also killing off a lot of individual SKUs. So you may not be able to get ESXi outside of a full vCloud Foundation subscription, which also includes NSX and Aria and a bunch of other stuff...
- mcmcmc 3y agoPeople don't know what vSphere is? Sure bud, and no one's heard of Microsoft Office either
- Unfrozen0688 3y ago[flagged]
- hacktivity 3y ago[dead]
- post_break 3y agoAWS and Azure rubbing their hands together. We use one of these products and unfortunately will have to abandon ship.
- jollyllama 3y agoI wonder who vSphere users can even go to
- wmf 3y agoNutanix
- timekiller 3y agoHPE is after Nutanix. I dread the day HP buys Nutanix
- candiddevmike 3y agoThey probably need a therapist at this point. They've been through a lot over the years.
- Unfrozen0688 3y agoI'm sorry, what better interface is there for massive amounts of VM management in a GUI?
- candiddevmike 3y agoBackstage or ServiceNow in front of kubevirt
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y agoProxmox? (I appreciate that this is a significant change)
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- digitalsushi 3y agoI wonder how this will cut into the hobbiest/learn-at-home crowd with our half width, 1U free-tier-license ESXi servers we learn our skills for our day jobs on.
- wpm 3y agoI'm already not going to renew my VMUG membership, and am planning to switch my VSphere cluster over to Proxmox.
- helf 3y ago[dead]
- justinclift 3y agoAre you using live migration of running VMs, or wanting it to work in Proxmox? Asking because in my testing of that in Proxmox 3 and 5 node clusters last month, the live migration would fail (aka just hang with no further progress) just over 20% of the time. Haven't looked into it further (likely will though), but searching around online shows lots of other people having experienced the same issue. General sentiment seems to be "Proxmox is good for homelab and non-prod environments. But probably don't use it in production."
- lightbritefight 3y agoCheck put XCP-NG if youre looking in this space. Its a mature xenserver fork with a much improved interface. Migrations work well, and it has a comparatively inexpensive vsan equivalent that works well if you prefer a hyperconverged route.
- justinclift 3y agoThanks. I looked at it briefly, but the project doesn't seem to be headed in a good direction. The main interface (Xenadmin) now has an EOL notice as their README: https://github.com/xcp-ng/xenadmin https://github.com/xcp-ng/xenadmin The other alternative now seems to be a paid solution: https://vates.tech/blog/introducing-vates-virtualization-management-stack/ https://vates.tech/blog/introducing-vates-virtualization-man... That doesn't seem like a good match for my needs. :(
- candiddevmike 3y agoI remember when Nicira/NSX and the concept of SDN was groundbreaking stuff. Hyperconverged had just become a thing, and VMware was the brightest star in the galaxy. Seeing it shuddered is pretty powerful.
- wmf 3y agoRealistically these products aren't being killed; they'll still be available in subscription bundles just not as perpetual licenses.
- CommieBobDole 3y agoI don't think that's correct - from the article: “All licensing options including Perpetual, Support & Subscription (SnS), SaaS/hosted and subscription, as well as all editions, suites and pricing metrics of each product, unless otherwise noted, are included in this announcement. These products are no longer available for purchase.” Honestly, looking at the list, I'm not sure what they actually still sell.
- wmf 3y agoI guarantee vSAN and NSX are not canceled; they're critical components of the VMware stack.
- CommieBobDole 3y agoHere's the actual article from VMWare: https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/96168?lang=en_US https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/96168?lang=en_US It sounds pretty unambiguous; they go out of their way to note that these products are no longer available by any means and are discontinued, and they list both vSAN and NSX. But, yeah, just because a company says something doesn't mean it's true, I guess - wouldn't put it past them to say "oh, all these products have been replaced by the new VMWare vCloud Platinum MAX offering" which is just the same products in a bundle that costs ten times as much.
- TillE 3y agoWhen they say "products" they mean the specific licenses available to purchase. The original announcement linked on that page has all the details: > For customers seeking an HCI solution, we offer VMware vSAN as an add-on to vSphere Foundation, which includes all the capabilities of vSAN including vSAN Max.
- Banditoz 3y agoVMware (now Broadcom?) owns the Spring/Spring Boot libraries, right? Anyone know if they're still planning on maintaining it?
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- jryan49 3y agoHere is a twitter comment from Nov... https://nitter.net/odrotbohm/status/1730356168755703945?t=xGlqHh4ooGoIFVHY-oknYg&s=19#m https://nitter.net/odrotbohm/status/1730356168755703945?t=xG... Make of it what you will...
- nunez 3y agoVery much so afaik.
- pjmlp 3y agoLets see, this is main the advantage of Java EE (now Jakarta) over Spring, plenty of companies to chose from.
- boarnoah 3y agoAm I misunderstanding, there is a bunch of vSphere offerings on the list there, but surely they must still sell vSphere in some form to enterprises? Isn't it still common to find as a significant part of most on-premise deployments?
- zamadatix 3y agoThis is the discontinuation of all non-subscription licenses. I.e. vSphere (the software) isn't discontinued rather vSphere (the perpetually licensed product) is continued. You must purchase the new subscription items if you want to renew support. For more minor products there may not be a subscription bundle but for anything in common use there should be.
- plorkyeran 3y agoMost but not all vSphere SKUs are listed. Instead of having 30 different vSphere "products" they'll have a handful and do price differentiation in different ways. Given that it's broadcom it's safe to assume that this won't be a good thing for vSphere customers, but VMWare's vSphere product line was pretty batshit insane and consolidating it seems sensible.
- timekiller 3y agoI’m at a loss with VMware. We’ve been full vdi since 2011 and can’t afford cloud solutions. Citrix is overkill. Love Nutanix, but can’t use AHV due to VMware horizon. We’ve had zero or thin clients for all workstations. It’s been so easy, until now.
- timekiller 3y agoThe company we purchased from is pretty sure VMware is cutting them off. We used to deal with CDW, but cdw’s service went to crap
- xz18r 3y agoCheck out Parallels RAS, we hear the same story from many new clients. Disclaimer: I work for them. https://www.parallels.com/products/ras/remote-application-server/ https://www.parallels.com/products/ras/remote-application-se...
- ajdjujhhhjeiznc 3y agoHate to be that guy but you were probably warned about going full VDI. Those people were right to warn you.
- timekiller 3y agoWas never warned, when we went full vdi people were very into it. It was a huge bonus to us as a small IT dept being able to maintain and manage a large infrastructure. I think vdi is essentially dead until the swing back to on prem solutions.
- jakebee 3y agoCheck out www.apporto.com - silicon Valley startup. Simple dashboard, low pricing, great service. 100% recommend on Gartner.
- zamadatix 3y ago@Dang the current title, and maybe article linked, is going to cause a titanic misunderstanding in what's happening. The 1st party link has a much clearer title "VMware End of Availability of perpetual licensing and associated products" https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/96168?lang=en_US&ref=thestack.technology https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/96168?lang=en_US&ref=thestac... E.g. it's not that NSX as a whole is discontinued it's that NSX perpetual licensing is discontinued and you must buy the NSX subscription licensing. Some of these other SKUs may not have an equivalent but for anything "big" like NSX or vSphere there will be.
- kube-system 3y agoAnd the linked blog post: https://news.vmware.com/company/vmware-by-broadcom-business-transformation https://news.vmware.com/company/vmware-by-broadcom-business-...
- CommieBobDole 3y agoI don't pretend to know the true actual reality of what's going on here, but an article about the end of non-subscription licensing from December of last year is linked in the original article. The current article is about the KB article you linked that lists 53 products which it says are, as of today, no longer available under any license and have been entirely discontinued. Again, not claiming that's what's really going on (maybe it's in error, or the products will be bundled with whatever SKUs they're still going to sell?), but it unambiguously says that these products are discontinued. It mentions the earlier end of non-subscription pricing and implies that this is in addition to that. Edit: Looking further into this, it looks like going forward they will offer two main SKUs, VMware vCenter Foundation and VMware Cloud Foundation, which contain, or contain features from, many of the discontinued products. But none of the listed products will be available separately anymore. It's difficult to find more information than that, because the VMware website is still advertising all of the discontinued stuff as well as the old perpetual licenses that they discontinued a month ago.
- cedilla 3y agoIt says "not available for purchase" and that users will be recommended what subscription product to use instead. It's written horribly complicated, and it leaves a lot of open questions, but what it does not say is that you can't give money to broadcom to get the features of those products. And it's hard to imagine that this is the end of vsphere. It's just the end of buying vsphere.
- woopwoop24 3y agoi think i will still be in tech when the pendulum swings back to on-prem, when everybody notices how awfully expensive the cloud is, after the bigger players raise the prices at will, because they killed off the competition.
- antongribok 3y agoI work at a Fortune 50 company and the pendulum for us has already swung back around. 5 years ago it was all "move everything to public". Now, we're building a bunch of on-prem infra and there are huge projects to move workloads back. For us, on-prem is about half the cost for compute and storage vs public cloud.
- woopwoop24 3y agoProblem is that management is usually not skilled enough (or just greedy for bonus money short term) to understand what is happening. Cloud is good if you are tiny or need to scale really fast if you are growing and then move out of it. For the bigger companies it can be a good strategy to scale out, but for that you only need IAAS and no fancy cloud vendor lock-in products. you will always be cheaper if you build it on your own, if your usecase is heavy load. you might be cheaper with colocation instead of building your own datacenter but most enterprises still have a need for their own anyway.
- rkagerer 3y agoDoes it impact Workstation or ESXi (aka ESX)?
- wmf 3y agoI don't think Workstation is changing. ESXi is only available in a subscription bundle now. Free ESXi is gone.
- the_third_wave 3y agoProxmox [1] will see a boost in popularity, good. I'm using the free version in combination with the backup server on both small (several RasPi 4's spread over several countres running the 'PiMox' [2] port) as well as medium (DL380) sized systems and find it to be a stable as well as practical platform. [1] https://proxmox.com/en/ https://proxmox.com/en/ [2] https://github.com/pimox/pimox7 https://github.com/pimox/pimox7
- nunez 3y agoInaccurate. VMware is consolidating its ABSOLUTELY INSANE list of SKUs down to a handful. Yes, some products are getting put down (I.e. no longer maintained, with support ending way later), but not 56 of them, and definitely not NSX (makes HUGE money for VMware). Source: I work at VMware in presales
- lightbritefight 3y agoYou should tell whoever wrote this kb and the associated articles that the language is opaque, confusing and contradictory. Your potential customers will not enter your sales funnel with this kind of strange and misshapen noise happening about your products.
- hacktivity 3y ago[dead]
- tecleandor 3y agoWhat I take from several kbs and articles is they're removing all of that as individual products, and they're selling the new all-in-one "vSphere foundation", only in a subscription model, that will have some of those functionalities and then offer some others (like NSX) as add-ons: https://blogs.vmware.com/vsphere/2024/01/embracing-change-with-vmware-vsphere-foundation.html https://blogs.vmware.com/vsphere/2024/01/embracing-change-wi...
- nunez 3y agoRight. Many of these products are going to be integrated into VMware Cloud Foundation, or VCF.
- jcpham2 3y agoI see many vmdk images being converted to other image formats like qcow and raw - if the new hypervisor even requires it
- boring-alterego 3y agoAir gapped vsphere clusters likely moving to hyper-v as it's already covered under the company's enterprise agreement. And there are some simpleish tools to convert from one to the other without too many headaches.
- pjmlp 3y agoI am quite curious if Spring will also be eventually affected.
- hacktivity 3y ago[dead]