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Ok so a few weeks ago, virtually every OpenAi employee signed a letter saying “reinstate Altman or I quit”. Is any OpenAi employee wanting to sign a “don’t use
by d--b 3y ago
Ok so a few weeks ago, virtually every OpenAi employee signed a letter saying “reinstate Altman or I quit”.
Is any OpenAi employee wanting to sign a “don’t use OpenAi for war or I quit”?
Or was everyone in on betraying all OpenAi’s founding principles from the start?
- ptmcc 3y agoReinstating Altman was all about the money, and so is this.
- SlightlyLeftPad 3y agoDeeply deeply concerning.
- d--b 3y agoI am sure many employees signed the letter out of loyalty. Not sure Altman is being very loyal to them in return.
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- QuantumGood 3y agoPersuasion is often a strong skill in managers. Personal motivation absent outside forces has its work cut out for it in corporations.
- rlewczuk 3y agoObserving Altman over OpenAI saga and later I clearly see one thing: duplicity. He was kicked off YC by Graham for unknown reasons, yet after October fiasco I have my suspicions why. Coming back to OpenAI and its beginnings, Altman betrayed all early investors - notably Musk but not only. Betrayed each and every meaningful point of OpenAI original charter, basically making it the oposite of what it originally was - starting exactly at the point when he smelled big money. He even went to Congress, effectively lobbying for limiting competition - especially open source models. Now he betrayed humanitarian values by offering his services for Pentagon - organization that has killed untold millions of people worldwide since WW2 and will happily kill millions more, making a gobs money to MIC in the process (don't tell me about "democracy" and such, it's all bullshit). There is no reason to believe a single word from him, Altman always tells his agenda, nothing else. There will be no 'using AGI for helping humanity' - his corporate buddies will receive profits at the cost of everyone else losing job to AI solutions monopolized by Altman's buddies. There will be no 'distributing profits among people in need', maybe except for some token help just to shut up critics. Altman is a tool for ruling corporate oligarchy. Nothing good will come out of it in my opinion.
- zigman1 3y agoWe are so back! :heart emoji: :heart emoji: :heart emoji:
- throwaway920102 3y agoOr they received a classified briefing showing how far ahead China or other adversaries are in terms of AI for military use and felt obligated to not let the US fall further behind.
- d--b 3y agoWMDs anyone?
- runlaszlorun 3y agoWeapons of Math Destruction?
- ta988 3y agoA good book I recommend to read
- ibrahimsow1 3y ago+1
- BramLovesYams 3y agoI read this in Mike Tyson's voice.
- Sl1mb0 3y agoWhy is this being downvoted? This is totally possible, though I'm not saying it happened. Is it because it's speculative?
- janalsncm 3y agoHard to say why it was downvoted but I can say it’s a highly unlikely scenario. You typically need a security clearance to view classified info. Further, many employees at OpenAI may not even be US citizens, and even if they are, many others aren’t super enthusiastic about giving the Pentagon new toys to use.
- happytiger 3y agoYou’re assuming these are separate events.
- happytiger 3y agoClose. I think reinstating Altman was all about this and also maybe the money. What better explanation do we have for the violent reaction of the board? I read the cover story and analysis too, but there are no coincidences in National Security. Occam’s Razor points to this being the real reason.
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- dmitrygr 3y agoPrinciples are great, but a full wallet...now that really motivates a man. See: this and the return of altman
- d--b 3y agoOpenAi employees are very employable. Several of them were probably lured by Altman’s want-to-better-humanity stance. Only to find out now that the man is deluding himself and betraying everything OpenAi said it wouldn’t do.
- dmitrygr 3y agoI don’t think he was ever deluding himself. This was always the end goal. The fact that people fell for the lies, well, everyone in Silicon Valley eventually learns not to trust anybody whose title is CEO. The lesson is usually painful. But memorable.
- d--b 3y agoDon’t know. His orb/ubs thing is so naive. It looks like he truly believes in SV’s ability to “make the world a better place”.
- kelipso 3y agoSure, so did Sam Bankman-Fried haha.
- kridsdale1 3y agoThere’s an argument that without SBF stealing all that money and giving it to the DNC we’d have a president Trump today and the Russian army would be halfway through Germany.
- emptyfile 3y ago[dead]
- ilikehurdles 3y agoI don’t see why we should object to equipping our defenses with more advanced technology than those of our adversaries. Maybe forcing vague principles down a company’s throat by a board of uninvolved non-builder types isn’t a strategy for successful internal cultural alignment. The peanut gallery’s objections don’t matter.
- hackernewds 3y agosounds like nuclear proliferation?
- kridsdale1 3y agoBetter to proliferate than let a maniacal despot with a monthly habit of declaring his intent to enslave a thriving liberal democracy from being the only one with power.
- rightbyte 3y agoThat country was not a "thriving liberal democracy". Unless you count nazi militias as democratic and liberal nowadays. If it werent for the specific nationality the neonazis were shooting at, the water connected alliance would bomb them for being nazis instead.
- kridsdale1 3y agoI was talking about Taiwan. I honestly have no idea to what you’re alluding.
- 6t6t6t6 3y agoThose deals are not made in one week. Maybe this agreement with the Pentagon has something to do with the drama of a couple of months ago.
- kridsdale1 3y agoThat sounds very likely. The ideological purists of the old board would have acted exactly as they did if they learned about this deal at that time.
- ykonstant 3y agoWould also explain why they were silent afterwards and took the loss sitting down; NSLs are scary stuff (what a democracy! --sorry, republic).
- bozhark 3y agolook at Google for reference on this matter
- Qiu_Zhanxuan 3y agoYes, they were mostly driven by money and ego.
- strikelaserclaw 3y agoi mean, openai is pretty much microsoft's puppet.
- sidcool 3y agoWhich of the two is worse?
- sidcool 3y agoVCs like unprincipled and money minting founders more than ethical and broke ones.
- GoodJokes 3y ago[dead]