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OpenSUSE Leap 15.6 to Be the Last in Its Current Form

68 points by dxs 3y ago

rascul 3y ago
I've been moving my Leap stuff to Slowroll. It does well so far and I don't have to worry about this ALP thing. The immutable stuff sounds interesting but it's just not for me at this point in time.
sph 3y ago
Finally, another distribution that seriously adopts the immutable distribution approach. The future is now, old man. I am just waiting for the day we have an officially-supported Arch Linux Atomic distro based on ostree (pacman-ostree?)
- BSDobelix 3y ago
  The intelligent thing would be something like MirageOS or OSv, and not a complete Operating-system as a host for containers.
  - sph 3y ago
    Isn't a modern Linux distribution a complete operating system as a host for containers already? The issue is that most things are not containerized (or should I say namespaced) yet.
    - BSDobelix 3y ago
      >Isn't a modern Linux distribution a complete operating system as a host for containers already? Yep and that's the problem, not talking about stuff that is in the container the running app never uses.
      - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        In the mid-90s, dynamic/shared objects were the new hotness on SunOS. Imagine if you'd told us that in 30 years, applications would be linked statically... not merely with their libraries, but with the entire OS as a dependency!
        nottorp 3y ago
        > Imagine if you'd told us that in 30 years, applications would be linked statically... not merely with their libraries, but with the entire OS as a dependency! Javascript "applications" aren't far from that are they? Copy of Chrome, copy of all modules...
        BSDobelix 3y ago
        >not merely with their libraries, but with the entire OS as a dependency! And then they made Java ;)
        vrighter 3y ago
        and of course, they put java in a container. an os statically linked to what's practically another os, statically linked to the application itself. (I consider containers to be a form of static linking)
- diggan 3y ago
  Newer versions of SteamOS is essentially that, although it does focus on the gaming/multimedia use-case rather than general desktop usage, but it does the general desktop usage part just fine too.
- candiddevmike 3y ago
  I don't see the point of ostree personally. It's overly complicated for what it's trying to do (immutable base). I have been working on an immutable OS that uses squashfs instead and it seems to work better. The contract is tighter with squashfs, as you really _can't_ change the underlying squashfs stuff. Upgrades are easily scriptable and transparent on what they're trying to accomplish, too. The distribution is designed as a "meta" distribution with different flavors (deb, ubu, arc, fed, etc) that you can easily "swap" to just by changing the boot stuff, all configured to deliver the same kind of functionality (container host, mostly).
  - PlutoIsAPlanet 3y ago
    OSTree is moving to using OCI images, which removes a large amount of complexity in its current form. On top of using composefs, this will make it impossible to change the underlying files manually without causing the file to be invalidated. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainerStable https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainer...
    - vaylian 3y ago
      Does that mean that system updates will pull complete container images instead of diff?
      - dralley 3y ago
        I believe diff support between container images is being worked on as well. edit: there's a link in that document to https://github.com/containers/image/pull/902 https://github.com/containers/image/pull/902
  - merb 3y ago
    Yeah I do not like it as well. Especially since redhat tried to force it on users of CoreOS Container Linux, with a completely new os without any upgrade path and half the features. Forking base worked at the beginning , but was painful and broke sometimes. I migrated all coreos machines to flatcarlinux which was a fork of coreos and was bought by Microsoft and is still maintained by them. What a strange world. (I was a big fan of back than and used centos/fedora heavily. I dropped everything in favor of Debian/tumbleweed/manjora and almalinux(centos migrated)) I think flatcar uses squashfs
- jmclnx 3y ago
  > Adaptable Linux Platform (ALP) New one on me, I had to search for its meaning. This seems to be a SUSE marketing term. But what I read seems to be some kind of immutable distribution with heavy focus on containers. Good for SUSE, glad right now my distro is not going down that path and as far as I know there are no plans for that. But I am sure someday upstream may force it to. When that happens, depending on how it plays out, off to OpenBSD full time, I use BSD now to test all development I do on Linux. I really like the simplicity of pledge(2) and unveil(2) plus the protections OpenBSD has by defaults. Testing on OpenBSD helped find some obscure bugs in a few of my objects.
- tmtvl 3y ago
  'Immutable' distributions suffer from bad branding, the only thing that's immutable is /usr, so it's far less terrible than the name makes it seem. Loading and blacklisting modules, modifying grub configuration, changing sysctl settings,... all of those things work fine. But people see 'immutable' and think 'oh, I can't change my fan speed', 'oh, I can't disable the annoying PC speaker beep', and so on. I don't know how the branding could be improved, but I do think that better branding would help getting people invested.
  - crabbone 3y ago
    Even just immutable /usr is still bad for individual users. Eg. I build a few projects myself. And sometimes I also need to debug them, after they are installed. Also, very frequently used programs, like Web browsers end up there. So, if I had to use an immutable system, I would either not put anything useful in /usr, or would not use an immutable system at all. This is, of course, not true for systems that are meant to be deployed and changed very infrequently, where stability of operation and ability to cleanly undo an upgrade are much more valuable than the convenience of changing whatever you need. ---- I think, a lot of such systems also very quickly earned a bad reputation because they also tried to ship with common applications for interactive use that don't work well (or at all) on such systems (eg. code editors). So, the first people to try such systems were programmers, who spend most of their time using the system in the code editor, and seeing how that doesn't work saw such a system as worthless.
    - tmtvl 3y ago
      By 'I build a few projects myself', do you mean you install binaries to /usr/bin (or /usr/local/bin)? If so, why don't you just put them in $HOME/bin? And about the web browsers, aside from the fact that immutable distributions tend to ship one by default, can't you just install them via Flatpak?
      - crabbone 3y ago
        If I put my binaries in a place other than the "immutable" one, what's the point in having the immutable place if I don't use it? If I put my binaries in the "immutable" place, it's no longer immutable. I mean, if, say, I don't build my shell myself -- I'm also not going to modify it anyways. So, expending extra efforts on ensuring immutability is just making my system more complex for no reason. But, if I do build my shell myself, then immutability only gets in the way. There isn't a situation where I gain something tangible from immutability (again, as an individual user). ---- Actually, from my history, the most common thing I need to do in /usr is to create symlinks for various shared objects. Didn't even think about it at first.
Santosh83 3y ago
Clicked on the link and remembered that yes, this stupid site uses Cloudflare to apparently block all Indian IPs, even for static articles like this one. Encountered it a couple of years back & forgot.
- Pikamander2 3y ago
  It also has an incorrectly padded advertisement wrapper that cuts off the sides of the text on my phone.
- TheNorthman 3y ago
  https://archive.ph/o34ou https://archive.ph/o34ou
- Semaphor 3y ago
  You aren’t missing much, It reads like written by an LLM, the signal-to-noise ratio is ridiculously low.
- jmclnx 3y ago
  You are not alone, I am elsewhere and I cannot get into it either :(
- deleted 2y ago
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gtk40 3y ago
I am running Leap on my main laptop. I guess I need to re-evaluate as I haven't been following OpenSUSE development lately.
- dizhn 3y ago
  You dont have to do anything now. There will be one more official release then leap will continue as a volunteer effort.
Daunk 3y ago
I'm all for this change! I think the immutable OS is the way to go for most people. And I've been using Tumbleweed for a long time and I'm excited for Slowroll to get... "rolling", so that I can jump over to that. One thing that confuses me though is how Leap now sounds like another Aeon or Kalpa version, so why does it need to exist?
- crabbone 3y ago
  Immutable OS is not a good choice for individual users. For servers that don't see much interactive use / don't need frequent opportunistic installs or updates / don't need various ad hoc assembled applications to share data, and value stability of the system over its usability -- it's good. Whenever I have to deal with "immutable" distributions or attempts to do something immutable (like Snap) on otherwise less immutable systems for individual users, I always end up disabling / removing / uninstalling. It's just an awful end-user experience, if the end user is a human.
  - saidinesh5 3y ago
    > individual users I think you mean developers? Otherwise most popular end user OSes are immutable by default these days.. Chrome OS, Android, Steam OS. Honestly it makes sense that we draw a line between platform and applications, and not let application updates/installs break platform. Imagine your non technical family members install some application that pulls in 100 dependencies one of which breaks the next Ubuntu upgrade..
    - crabbone 3y ago
      Yeah, I guess, I'm falling behind the times. I've never used, nor have I ever met anyone using Chrome OS or Steam OS. What are they for? I hate Android with a burning passion. I pray for a different OS for mobile phones that's actually not as user-hostile as Android (well, MacOS is even more user-hostile... so that's not going to work). I don't think most Android users use it because the like it. There's not much of a choice there. > Imagine your non technical family members install some application that pulls in 100 dependencies one of which breaks the next Ubuntu upgrade.. I have non-technical family members who use Ubuntu. They had some old laptop that couldn't run Windows anymore, and so Ubuntu was an easy solution to that problem. So, here's their situation: 1. They don't update anything. There's really no reason to. What they have there works fine. It will break, eventually because of the drive to change and discontinue things unnecessarily, but it will take years. It's unlikely that the laptop will survive that long. And even if it does, they'll just ask me to fix whatever their problem is. 2. Guess how I know about Snap!? Hehe. So, apparently, Ubuntu for desktop comes with this... "feature". And of all things they decided to install Firefox as a Snap package. And of course it's broken. And of course there's no easy way to fix it, while retaining Snap. The easiest and most reliable way to deal with it is to get rid of Snap altogether, and to install from Mozilla's PPA. Precisely because of the difficulties with upgrades. So, yeah, theoretically non-technical users might run into the situation you describe. But you kind of forgetting that upgrade-induced problems is more of a Microsoft thing, where they force upgrades on their users and eventually break things. It's the Microsoft world where users constantly have to deal with broken updates. If you are a Linux user, you might just live happily with whatever you've installed 5+ years ago and just enjoy your life.
pjmlp 3y ago
As usual it must be the enterprise keeping the engine going.
gbraad 3y ago
To try something new, try bluefin.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  https://microos.opensuse.org/ https://microos.opensuse.org/ seems like a smaller step to the same place (for someone already used to *SUSE)
  - gbraad 3y ago
    Jorge Castro wrote about MicroOS https://www.ypsidanger.com/catching-up-with-opensuse-microos/ https://www.ypsidanger.com/catching-up-with-opensuse-microos... and eventually chose Fedora to base uBlue and Bluefin on: https://www.ypsidanger.com/announcing-project-bluefin/ https://www.ypsidanger.com/announcing-project-bluefin/
axegon_ 3y ago
I'm generally afraid of major changes and this one has the potential to massively affect me. I've jumped through several distributions over the years - red hat back when it wasn't enterprise, ubuntu, then fedora, then debian, then eventually ended up with OpenSUSE back in ~2017 and I fell in love with it. It's been my daily driver ever since - work, home and laptop. I still run debian on all my servers at my home lab but for a daily driver, OpenSUSE ticked all my boxes: you can get almost anything to run on it, even if it's not officially supported, flexible, frequent updates and all the good stuff. The only downside has been dealing with Nvidia (quadro's specifically) but that applies to pretty much any distro. I'm really hoping I won't have to jump trains again. Time will tell I guess
- diggan 3y ago
  If you ever end up jumping ships again, maybe it's time to try a distribution that don't make too many choices for you, so you can remain with the software stack you're comfortable with? I'd say Arch would be my first pick for that, but there is obviously many others that fit that label too.
  - k_roy 3y ago
    In the age of containers/vms/distrobox, running a specific distro shouldn't really a factor anymore
tuananh 3y ago
here's the official annoucement https://news.opensuse.org/2024/01/15/clear-course-is-set-for-os-leap/ https://news.opensuse.org/2024/01/15/clear-course-is-set-for...
mongol 3y ago
I started using SuSE in 2002, and it was my go-to distro for personal purposes until 2022. At that time I made the leap To NixOS. It feels now I made the right choice. SuSE always felt stable and predictable, but I never really grokked the community and what priorities steered its roadmap. Also it was quite common that software I wanted to use wasn't packaged. As much as I liked it, it was right to part ways. If it wasn't for NixOS, I am very unsure what I would do now.
- crabbone 3y ago
  My understanding is that SuSE is the Fedora of SLES, and SLES is what Dell tries to put on some of its storage appliances. This is a kind of appliance that doesn't go to individual consumers though, so, you might have never encountered it. This may also explain the biggest discrepancy from RHEL being in how SLES packages storage-related stuff (eg. SLES is pro-Btrfs, while RHEL is against, SLES is slow to upgrade mdcrypt, while RHEL isn't etc.) But this is just a guess.
nortonham 3y ago
that's too bad...feels like everything has to be immutable or rolling release nowadays.

68 points by dxs 3y ago

I've been moving my Leap stuff to Slowroll. It does well so far and I don't have to worry about this ALP thing. The immutable stuff sounds interesting but it's just not for me at this point in time.

sph 3y ago

Finally, another distribution that seriously adopts the immutable distribution approach. The future is now, old man. I am just waiting for the day we have an officially-supported Arch Linux Atomic distro based on ostree (pacman-ostree?)

BSDobelix 3y ago
The intelligent thing would be something like MirageOS or OSv, and not a complete Operating-system as a host for containers.
- sph 3y ago
  Isn't a modern Linux distribution a complete operating system as a host for containers already? The issue is that most things are not containerized (or should I say namespaced) yet.
  - BSDobelix 3y ago
    >Isn't a modern Linux distribution a complete operating system as a host for containers already? Yep and that's the problem, not talking about stuff that is in the container the running app never uses.
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      In the mid-90s, dynamic/shared objects were the new hotness on SunOS. Imagine if you'd told us that in 30 years, applications would be linked statically... not merely with their libraries, but with the entire OS as a dependency!
      - nottorp 3y ago
        > Imagine if you'd told us that in 30 years, applications would be linked statically... not merely with their libraries, but with the entire OS as a dependency! Javascript "applications" aren't far from that are they? Copy of Chrome, copy of all modules...
      - BSDobelix 3y ago
        >not merely with their libraries, but with the entire OS as a dependency! And then they made Java ;)
        vrighter 3y ago
        and of course, they put java in a container. an os statically linked to what's practically another os, statically linked to the application itself. (I consider containers to be a form of static linking)
diggan 3y ago
Newer versions of SteamOS is essentially that, although it does focus on the gaming/multimedia use-case rather than general desktop usage, but it does the general desktop usage part just fine too.
candiddevmike 3y ago
I don't see the point of ostree personally. It's overly complicated for what it's trying to do (immutable base). I have been working on an immutable OS that uses squashfs instead and it seems to work better. The contract is tighter with squashfs, as you really _can't_ change the underlying squashfs stuff. Upgrades are easily scriptable and transparent on what they're trying to accomplish, too. The distribution is designed as a "meta" distribution with different flavors (deb, ubu, arc, fed, etc) that you can easily "swap" to just by changing the boot stuff, all configured to deliver the same kind of functionality (container host, mostly).
- PlutoIsAPlanet 3y ago
  OSTree is moving to using OCI images, which removes a large amount of complexity in its current form. On top of using composefs, this will make it impossible to change the underlying files manually without causing the file to be invalidated. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainerStable https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainer...
  - vaylian 3y ago
    Does that mean that system updates will pull complete container images instead of diff?
    - dralley 3y ago
      I believe diff support between container images is being worked on as well. edit: there's a link in that document to https://github.com/containers/image/pull/902 https://github.com/containers/image/pull/902
- merb 3y ago
  Yeah I do not like it as well. Especially since redhat tried to force it on users of CoreOS Container Linux, with a completely new os without any upgrade path and half the features. Forking base worked at the beginning , but was painful and broke sometimes. I migrated all coreos machines to flatcarlinux which was a fork of coreos and was bought by Microsoft and is still maintained by them. What a strange world. (I was a big fan of back than and used centos/fedora heavily. I dropped everything in favor of Debian/tumbleweed/manjora and almalinux(centos migrated)) I think flatcar uses squashfs
jmclnx 3y ago
> Adaptable Linux Platform (ALP) New one on me, I had to search for its meaning. This seems to be a SUSE marketing term. But what I read seems to be some kind of immutable distribution with heavy focus on containers. Good for SUSE, glad right now my distro is not going down that path and as far as I know there are no plans for that. But I am sure someday upstream may force it to. When that happens, depending on how it plays out, off to OpenBSD full time, I use BSD now to test all development I do on Linux. I really like the simplicity of pledge(2) and unveil(2) plus the protections OpenBSD has by defaults. Testing on OpenBSD helped find some obscure bugs in a few of my objects.
tmtvl 3y ago
'Immutable' distributions suffer from bad branding, the only thing that's immutable is /usr, so it's far less terrible than the name makes it seem. Loading and blacklisting modules, modifying grub configuration, changing sysctl settings,... all of those things work fine. But people see 'immutable' and think 'oh, I can't change my fan speed', 'oh, I can't disable the annoying PC speaker beep', and so on. I don't know how the branding could be improved, but I do think that better branding would help getting people invested.
- crabbone 3y ago
  Even just immutable /usr is still bad for individual users. Eg. I build a few projects myself. And sometimes I also need to debug them, after they are installed. Also, very frequently used programs, like Web browsers end up there. So, if I had to use an immutable system, I would either not put anything useful in /usr, or would not use an immutable system at all. This is, of course, not true for systems that are meant to be deployed and changed very infrequently, where stability of operation and ability to cleanly undo an upgrade are much more valuable than the convenience of changing whatever you need. ---- I think, a lot of such systems also very quickly earned a bad reputation because they also tried to ship with common applications for interactive use that don't work well (or at all) on such systems (eg. code editors). So, the first people to try such systems were programmers, who spend most of their time using the system in the code editor, and seeing how that doesn't work saw such a system as worthless.
  - tmtvl 3y ago
    By 'I build a few projects myself', do you mean you install binaries to /usr/bin (or /usr/local/bin)? If so, why don't you just put them in $HOME/bin? And about the web browsers, aside from the fact that immutable distributions tend to ship one by default, can't you just install them via Flatpak?
    - crabbone 3y ago
      If I put my binaries in a place other than the "immutable" one, what's the point in having the immutable place if I don't use it? If I put my binaries in the "immutable" place, it's no longer immutable. I mean, if, say, I don't build my shell myself -- I'm also not going to modify it anyways. So, expending extra efforts on ensuring immutability is just making my system more complex for no reason. But, if I do build my shell myself, then immutability only gets in the way. There isn't a situation where I gain something tangible from immutability (again, as an individual user). ---- Actually, from my history, the most common thing I need to do in /usr is to create symlinks for various shared objects. Didn't even think about it at first.

Santosh83 3y ago

Clicked on the link and remembered that yes, this stupid site uses Cloudflare to apparently block all Indian IPs, even for static articles like this one. Encountered it a couple of years back & forgot.

Pikamander2 3y ago
It also has an incorrectly padded advertisement wrapper that cuts off the sides of the text on my phone.
TheNorthman 3y ago
https://archive.ph/o34ou https://archive.ph/o34ou
Semaphor 3y ago
You aren’t missing much, It reads like written by an LLM, the signal-to-noise ratio is ridiculously low.
jmclnx 3y ago
You are not alone, I am elsewhere and I cannot get into it either :(
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gtk40 3y ago

I am running Leap on my main laptop. I guess I need to re-evaluate as I haven't been following OpenSUSE development lately.

dizhn 3y ago
You dont have to do anything now. There will be one more official release then leap will continue as a volunteer effort.

Daunk 3y ago

I'm all for this change! I think the immutable OS is the way to go for most people. And I've been using Tumbleweed for a long time and I'm excited for Slowroll to get... "rolling", so that I can jump over to that. One thing that confuses me though is how Leap now sounds like another Aeon or Kalpa version, so why does it need to exist?

crabbone 3y ago
Immutable OS is not a good choice for individual users. For servers that don't see much interactive use / don't need frequent opportunistic installs or updates / don't need various ad hoc assembled applications to share data, and value stability of the system over its usability -- it's good. Whenever I have to deal with "immutable" distributions or attempts to do something immutable (like Snap) on otherwise less immutable systems for individual users, I always end up disabling / removing / uninstalling. It's just an awful end-user experience, if the end user is a human.
- saidinesh5 3y ago
  > individual users I think you mean developers? Otherwise most popular end user OSes are immutable by default these days.. Chrome OS, Android, Steam OS. Honestly it makes sense that we draw a line between platform and applications, and not let application updates/installs break platform. Imagine your non technical family members install some application that pulls in 100 dependencies one of which breaks the next Ubuntu upgrade..
  - crabbone 3y ago
    Yeah, I guess, I'm falling behind the times. I've never used, nor have I ever met anyone using Chrome OS or Steam OS. What are they for? I hate Android with a burning passion. I pray for a different OS for mobile phones that's actually not as user-hostile as Android (well, MacOS is even more user-hostile... so that's not going to work). I don't think most Android users use it because the like it. There's not much of a choice there. > Imagine your non technical family members install some application that pulls in 100 dependencies one of which breaks the next Ubuntu upgrade.. I have non-technical family members who use Ubuntu. They had some old laptop that couldn't run Windows anymore, and so Ubuntu was an easy solution to that problem. So, here's their situation: 1. They don't update anything. There's really no reason to. What they have there works fine. It will break, eventually because of the drive to change and discontinue things unnecessarily, but it will take years. It's unlikely that the laptop will survive that long. And even if it does, they'll just ask me to fix whatever their problem is. 2. Guess how I know about Snap!? Hehe. So, apparently, Ubuntu for desktop comes with this... "feature". And of all things they decided to install Firefox as a Snap package. And of course it's broken. And of course there's no easy way to fix it, while retaining Snap. The easiest and most reliable way to deal with it is to get rid of Snap altogether, and to install from Mozilla's PPA. Precisely because of the difficulties with upgrades. So, yeah, theoretically non-technical users might run into the situation you describe. But you kind of forgetting that upgrade-induced problems is more of a Microsoft thing, where they force upgrades on their users and eventually break things. It's the Microsoft world where users constantly have to deal with broken updates. If you are a Linux user, you might just live happily with whatever you've installed 5+ years ago and just enjoy your life.

pjmlp 3y ago

As usual it must be the enterprise keeping the engine going.

gbraad 3y ago

To try something new, try bluefin.

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
https://microos.opensuse.org/ https://microos.opensuse.org/ seems like a smaller step to the same place (for someone already used to *SUSE)
- gbraad 3y ago
  Jorge Castro wrote about MicroOS https://www.ypsidanger.com/catching-up-with-opensuse-microos/ https://www.ypsidanger.com/catching-up-with-opensuse-microos... and eventually chose Fedora to base uBlue and Bluefin on: https://www.ypsidanger.com/announcing-project-bluefin/ https://www.ypsidanger.com/announcing-project-bluefin/

axegon_ 3y ago

I'm generally afraid of major changes and this one has the potential to massively affect me. I've jumped through several distributions over the years - red hat back when it wasn't enterprise, ubuntu, then fedora, then debian, then eventually ended up with OpenSUSE back in ~2017 and I fell in love with it. It's been my daily driver ever since - work, home and laptop. I still run debian on all my servers at my home lab but for a daily driver, OpenSUSE ticked all my boxes: you can get almost anything to run on it, even if it's not officially supported, flexible, frequent updates and all the good stuff. The only downside has been dealing with Nvidia (quadro's specifically) but that applies to pretty much any distro. I'm really hoping I won't have to jump trains again. Time will tell I guess

diggan 3y ago
If you ever end up jumping ships again, maybe it's time to try a distribution that don't make too many choices for you, so you can remain with the software stack you're comfortable with? I'd say Arch would be my first pick for that, but there is obviously many others that fit that label too.
- k_roy 3y ago
  In the age of containers/vms/distrobox, running a specific distro shouldn't really a factor anymore

tuananh 3y ago

here's the official annoucement https://news.opensuse.org/2024/01/15/clear-course-is-set-for-os-leap/ https://news.opensuse.org/2024/01/15/clear-course-is-set-for...

mongol 3y ago

I started using SuSE in 2002, and it was my go-to distro for personal purposes until 2022. At that time I made the leap To NixOS. It feels now I made the right choice. SuSE always felt stable and predictable, but I never really grokked the community and what priorities steered its roadmap. Also it was quite common that software I wanted to use wasn't packaged. As much as I liked it, it was right to part ways. If it wasn't for NixOS, I am very unsure what I would do now.

crabbone 3y ago
My understanding is that SuSE is the Fedora of SLES, and SLES is what Dell tries to put on some of its storage appliances. This is a kind of appliance that doesn't go to individual consumers though, so, you might have never encountered it. This may also explain the biggest discrepancy from RHEL being in how SLES packages storage-related stuff (eg. SLES is pro-Btrfs, while RHEL is against, SLES is slow to upgrade mdcrypt, while RHEL isn't etc.) But this is just a guess.

nortonham 3y ago

that's too bad...feels like everything has to be immutable or rolling release nowadays.