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> I don't pay for ChatGPT Plus, I only have a paid API key so I used instead a command line client, chatgpt-cli and manually ran the output programs. But this

by ddp26 3y ago

> I don't pay for ChatGPT Plus, I only have a paid API key so I used instead a command line client, chatgpt-cli and manually ran the output programs. But this is much different, and likely much worse, than paid ChatGPT. Code Interpreter does its own debugging-and-revising loop. It's bizarre to me that this author wouldn't pay $20 one time to evaluate the higher quality product, the one most people would use if they cared about code quality, am I missing something?

pera 3y ago
I'm confused, is the gpt-4 model used through the API different to the gpt-4 from ChatGPT Plus? I can't find clear information on their website.
- dartos 3y ago
  Kind of. ChatGPT is a product built on top of gpt-4. It includes many features that were built on top of the api (not as a a part of it) So it’s the same model, but the chatgpt product has more features than just text generation
  - pera 3y ago
    Interesting, do these extra features have an impact on code generation?
    - asabla 3y ago
      yes they do. And depending on the subject and/or what you're trying to do, it will have a larger impact the just talking to the model
      - behnamoh 3y ago
        I stopped my ChatGPT Plus subscription and replaced it with pure GPT-4 API calls because the "product" built around the API just got dumber and dumber over time. - ChatGPT pros: Has some bells and whistles like code interpreter (which I can easily get via Open Interpreter). Has plugins (although I found web browsing to be inferior compared to Poe/Perplexity). - Pure GPT-4 API pros: Is not dumbed down or forced to "forget" things or be lazy in coding. I use the API either programmatically or through Poe.
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  Yes max woolf had a post here last week or two showing the differences
  - pera 3y ago
    Would you mind providing a link? The only post I found on Algolia when searching for "max woolf" over the past month is yours :)
    - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38782678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38782678
      - pera 3y ago
        Thank you. I can't find any clear comparison between ChatGPT Plus and gpt-4 (through the API) on that article though, it seems to be focused on how to improve results with gpt-3.5? I was expecting some benchmarks
airstrike 3y ago
I view it as ragebait for nerds... And I yet I still get baited everytime
- ionwake 3y ago
  Be cool if it was actually written by chatgpt plus as perfect rage bait
Havoc 3y ago
Yeah was considering doing same - build own interface, but $20 in the context of "this is likely the future" seems like the wrong place to be stingy
danbruc 3y ago
Then somebody could maybe just copy and paste two, three of the failed problems into ChatGPT Plus and ask for some code solving the problems? Should only take a hand full minutes.
thefreeman 3y ago
You can’t sign up for chatgpt plus anymore. they aren’t accepting new subscriptions. You just get added to a waitlist. At least that’s what happened a few months ago when I tried and I haven’t heard anything from them yet.
- jjice 3y ago
  Is that the one that's $20 a month and gives access to GPT 4? I signed up on Friday.
- mattweinberg 3y ago
  FYI this changed a couple weeks ago. They reopened signups in mid-December.
- rallyforthesun 3y ago
  That might be wrong, i just did a paid subscription for my dad at xmas time, pretty shure you can still get paid subscriptions for ChatGPT+. We used his Googleaccount for this.
aantix 3y ago
Programmers are bizarre in that sense. They’ll spend weeks, years even, coding a solution in an effort to not pay for it. Penny wise but pound foolish.
- MyFirstSass 3y ago
  It's the same line of thinking that results in 90% of stuff on indiehackers and by solo devs is for themselves and other solo devs, tech tools that are extremely niche, for a market with people not willing to pay for them. An extreme blindspot. Every introverted dev should go outside and meet other people, check out the irl marketplaces with 1 coffee for 10$, thats the best investment they can make.
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pera 3y ago

I'm confused, is the gpt-4 model used through the API different to the gpt-4 from ChatGPT Plus? I can't find clear information on their website.

dartos 3y ago
Kind of. ChatGPT is a product built on top of gpt-4. It includes many features that were built on top of the api (not as a a part of it) So it’s the same model, but the chatgpt product has more features than just text generation
- pera 3y ago
  Interesting, do these extra features have an impact on code generation?
  - asabla 3y ago
    yes they do. And depending on the subject and/or what you're trying to do, it will have a larger impact the just talking to the model
    - behnamoh 3y ago
      I stopped my ChatGPT Plus subscription and replaced it with pure GPT-4 API calls because the "product" built around the API just got dumber and dumber over time. - ChatGPT pros: Has some bells and whistles like code interpreter (which I can easily get via Open Interpreter). Has plugins (although I found web browsing to be inferior compared to Poe/Perplexity). - Pure GPT-4 API pros: Is not dumbed down or forced to "forget" things or be lazy in coding. I use the API either programmatically or through Poe.
AndrewKemendo 3y ago
Yes max woolf had a post here last week or two showing the differences
- pera 3y ago
  Would you mind providing a link? The only post I found on Algolia when searching for "max woolf" over the past month is yours :)
  - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38782678 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38782678
    - pera 3y ago
      Thank you. I can't find any clear comparison between ChatGPT Plus and gpt-4 (through the API) on that article though, it seems to be focused on how to improve results with gpt-3.5? I was expecting some benchmarks

airstrike 3y ago

I view it as ragebait for nerds... And I yet I still get baited everytime

ionwake 3y ago
Be cool if it was actually written by chatgpt plus as perfect rage bait

Havoc 3y ago

Yeah was considering doing same - build own interface, but $20 in the context of "this is likely the future" seems like the wrong place to be stingy

danbruc 3y ago

Then somebody could maybe just copy and paste two, three of the failed problems into ChatGPT Plus and ask for some code solving the problems? Should only take a hand full minutes.

thefreeman 3y ago

You can’t sign up for chatgpt plus anymore. they aren’t accepting new subscriptions. You just get added to a waitlist. At least that’s what happened a few months ago when I tried and I haven’t heard anything from them yet.

jjice 3y ago
Is that the one that's $20 a month and gives access to GPT 4? I signed up on Friday.
mattweinberg 3y ago
FYI this changed a couple weeks ago. They reopened signups in mid-December.
rallyforthesun 3y ago
That might be wrong, i just did a paid subscription for my dad at xmas time, pretty shure you can still get paid subscriptions for ChatGPT+. We used his Googleaccount for this.

aantix 3y ago

Programmers are bizarre in that sense. They’ll spend weeks, years even, coding a solution in an effort to not pay for it. Penny wise but pound foolish.

MyFirstSass 3y ago
It's the same line of thinking that results in 90% of stuff on indiehackers and by solo devs is for themselves and other solo devs, tech tools that are extremely niche, for a market with people not willing to pay for them. An extreme blindspot. Every introverted dev should go outside and meet other people, check out the irl marketplaces with 1 coffee for 10$, thats the best investment they can make.

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