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Yeah, this isn't Linux. Linux is better than this these days.

by msla 3y ago

bheadmaster 3y ago
Of course. Things are not perfect, but most of the popular (GNU/)Linux distributions gone a long way from the old days of requiring terminal fixes. I just meant it as a lighthearted joke.
carlosjobim 3y ago
Except for if you want to use dual monitors, etc. etc. Every time I've tried Linux, I've had to dive into the terminal and paste commands from the internet to get normal things to work.
- mr_mitm 3y ago
  Was this in the past decade or before?
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    A couple of years ago.
- trelane 3y ago
  Only two monitors? I've no problem with more than that. I don't know what hardware you're using, but that's atypical.
  - arcticbeans 3y ago
    [dead]
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    Two monitors with different DPI. Couldn't get them to work well without running a weird xrandr script on every boot with some "1.9999999999...." setting.
    - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
      Without Wayland I'm pretty sure this is still the case.
      - trelane 3y ago
        I use Wayland. Perhaps that's your issue?
        ParetoOptimal 3y ago
        I moved to Wayland mostly, but gaming performance is worse. Mostly latency and 1% fps lows.
  - justsomehnguy 3y ago
    "Works for me" (r)(tm)
Zyst 3y ago
I use Linux. You absolutely need to drop down to the command line at times. Upgrading my Kennel, or Graphics driver breaks something like 20% of the time for me.
- berkes 3y ago
  Strange. I've been on Linux some 28 years now, and it used to be like that¹. But today? I haven't had a kernel or graphics driver update failing on me for years. Maybe 10+ years? Granted, my Linux is the most boring, hardly-configged Unbuntu LTS. Boring hardware. Boring drivers. Everything optimized to "Just Work" - My machine pays my bills and if I'm down for a day because I fiddled around with some fancy custom trackpad module, or special Bluetooth whatevers, it's costing me actual money. I'm certainly in my terminal 80% of the time (developing in nvim etc), so can't say much about how much it is needed by someone who doesn't know or use that terminal. ¹ My personal worst was at a conference doing a presentation for a 200+ audience having to recompile X, while entertaining the audience, because the beamer wasn't found and X crashed on it.
  - maleldil 3y ago
    What hardware? Your experience with Linux can be very different depending on that. For example, my laptop's WiFi refuses to work properly on Linux, so I'm forced to use Windows. Edit: oh, and not to mention graphics (Nvidia), multiple monitors and HiDPI, especially with fractional scaling and different multiples per display. HiDPI on Linux doesn't work nearly as well as Windows and macOS.
    - vladvasiliu 3y ago
      It's funny, I can say the exact same thing in reverse. My two latest laptops are boring: integrated graphics, intel wifi, run-of-the-mill hp "enterprise" fare. One running a zen3, the other an 11th gen intel. On the AMD, I couldn't use the webcam for a good six months under Windows. It wouldn't detect some part of the USB tree. On the Intel, for a good year, I couldn't get 4k@60Hz over DP via the HP dock. Then at some point, installing Intel drivers fixed the issue, but Windows would insist on "updating" to the older, borken version every so often. Now Windows also has the correct drivers. A different dock still doesn't work. Then there's the fact that the Windows installation (11 22h2) doesn't support the touchpad, nor the wifi card. Bonus points for the default install insisting on connecting to the internet for the online account thing. Linux had 0 issues on both since the day I got them. As for HiDPI, yeah, the Linux story, at least with X11, is non-existent if you want multiple HiDPI settings. But Windows is a crap shoot, too. It's easy to get a blurry mess: just connect and disconnect an external screen, and even the freaking windows 11 start menu is borked. It looks fine when you open it, but start typing something and enjoy the blurriness. Apps will be stuck with either enormous or tiny text. The context menus of the systray icons will appear all over the place. Some apps manage to combine everything: tiny text, yet blurry, and displayed in the middle of the screen. To name and shame: Fortinet VPN client.
agubelu 3y ago
On the current LTS version of Ubuntu, I had to drop down to the terminal to adjust the mousewheel's scroll speed.
- ghqst 3y ago
  Having to use such a terrible hack to change scroll speed on GNOME is my least favorite thing about it.
- fsflover 3y ago
  Ubuntu is doing wrong a lot of things, not just this one.

Yeah, this isn't Linux. Linux is better than this these days.

by msla 3y ago

Yeah, this isn't Linux. Linux is better than this these days.

Of course. Things are not perfect, but most of the popular (GNU/)Linux distributions gone a long way from the old days of requiring terminal fixes. I just meant it as a lighthearted joke.

carlosjobim 3y ago

Except for if you want to use dual monitors, etc. etc. Every time I've tried Linux, I've had to dive into the terminal and paste commands from the internet to get normal things to work.

mr_mitm 3y ago
Was this in the past decade or before?
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  A couple of years ago.
trelane 3y ago
Only two monitors? I've no problem with more than that. I don't know what hardware you're using, but that's atypical.
- arcticbeans 3y ago
  [dead]
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  Two monitors with different DPI. Couldn't get them to work well without running a weird xrandr script on every boot with some "1.9999999999...." setting.
  - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
    Without Wayland I'm pretty sure this is still the case.
    - trelane 3y ago
      I use Wayland. Perhaps that's your issue?
      - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
        I moved to Wayland mostly, but gaming performance is worse. Mostly latency and 1% fps lows.
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  "Works for me" (r)(tm)

Zyst 3y ago

I use Linux. You absolutely need to drop down to the command line at times. Upgrading my Kennel, or Graphics driver breaks something like 20% of the time for me.

berkes 3y ago
Strange. I've been on Linux some 28 years now, and it used to be like that¹. But today? I haven't had a kernel or graphics driver update failing on me for years. Maybe 10+ years? Granted, my Linux is the most boring, hardly-configged Unbuntu LTS. Boring hardware. Boring drivers. Everything optimized to "Just Work" - My machine pays my bills and if I'm down for a day because I fiddled around with some fancy custom trackpad module, or special Bluetooth whatevers, it's costing me actual money. I'm certainly in my terminal 80% of the time (developing in nvim etc), so can't say much about how much it is needed by someone who doesn't know or use that terminal. ¹ My personal worst was at a conference doing a presentation for a 200+ audience having to recompile X, while entertaining the audience, because the beamer wasn't found and X crashed on it.
- maleldil 3y ago
  What hardware? Your experience with Linux can be very different depending on that. For example, my laptop's WiFi refuses to work properly on Linux, so I'm forced to use Windows. Edit: oh, and not to mention graphics (Nvidia), multiple monitors and HiDPI, especially with fractional scaling and different multiples per display. HiDPI on Linux doesn't work nearly as well as Windows and macOS.
  - vladvasiliu 3y ago
    It's funny, I can say the exact same thing in reverse. My two latest laptops are boring: integrated graphics, intel wifi, run-of-the-mill hp "enterprise" fare. One running a zen3, the other an 11th gen intel. On the AMD, I couldn't use the webcam for a good six months under Windows. It wouldn't detect some part of the USB tree. On the Intel, for a good year, I couldn't get 4k@60Hz over DP via the HP dock. Then at some point, installing Intel drivers fixed the issue, but Windows would insist on "updating" to the older, borken version every so often. Now Windows also has the correct drivers. A different dock still doesn't work. Then there's the fact that the Windows installation (11 22h2) doesn't support the touchpad, nor the wifi card. Bonus points for the default install insisting on connecting to the internet for the online account thing. Linux had 0 issues on both since the day I got them. As for HiDPI, yeah, the Linux story, at least with X11, is non-existent if you want multiple HiDPI settings. But Windows is a crap shoot, too. It's easy to get a blurry mess: just connect and disconnect an external screen, and even the freaking windows 11 start menu is borked. It looks fine when you open it, but start typing something and enjoy the blurriness. Apps will be stuck with either enormous or tiny text. The context menus of the systray icons will appear all over the place. Some apps manage to combine everything: tiny text, yet blurry, and displayed in the middle of the screen. To name and shame: Fortinet VPN client.

agubelu 3y ago

On the current LTS version of Ubuntu, I had to drop down to the terminal to adjust the mousewheel's scroll speed.

ghqst 3y ago
Having to use such a terrible hack to change scroll speed on GNOME is my least favorite thing about it.
fsflover 3y ago
Ubuntu is doing wrong a lot of things, not just this one.