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Satan has a very strong meaning in Islam and other religions. This would not be possible in France or UK.

by Gee8r9 3y ago

gridspy 3y ago
Are you claiming there is no religious freedom in France and the UK?
- Gee8r9 3y ago
  There is no bacon in school cafeteria...
  - ben_w 3y ago
    In the UK? That's probably just budget cuts. Even 25 years ago when I was a kid myself, the cafeterias were on a shoestring budget. I can't remember if there was or wasn't bacon back then, owing to vegetarian diet I never asked about the meats.
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    British schools are apparently damned if they do, damned if they don’t. In the real world, they’re criticised for serving carcinogenic bacon (https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/sep/02/thousands-of-schools-serving-meals-that-could-contain-cancer-causing-chemicals https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/sep/02/thousands-...), meanwhile in the imagination of weird internet people they have banned bacon.
  - orwin 3y ago
    You also have to serve an alternative. Source: I've worked with French schools in a previous life.
dekhn 3y ago
it's really just a tax form in the US: https://www.wikihow.com/Start-a-Religion https://www.wikihow.com/Start-a-Religion
yongjik 3y ago
On the other hand, students in France or UK don't have to do active shooter drills. Different countries, different social problems, different styles of bigots, and different solutions.
defrost 3y ago
It's entirely possible in the UK, it's just simply not very popular anymore as the region has already seen a major push back against overbearing Christian practices and pushed most of them out to the Americas and elsewhere. Today there are on the order of a 100 or so committed Satanists in the UK according to: Journal of Contemporary Religion: Satanism in Britain today (1995) - Graham Harvey https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13537909508580747 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/1353790950858074... https://sci-hub.ru/10.1080/13537909508580747 https://sci-hub.ru/10.1080/13537909508580747 This paper discusses the views and activities of self‐identified Satanists in Britain, especially the Temple of Set, the Church of Satan, the Order of the Nine Angles and Dark Lily. It also comments on ad hoc, adolescent and multi‐generational Satanism. Satanism is a series of techniques for allowing individuals to affirm, develop and express themselves, and to do what they wish to do in the context of a spirituality. It does not require belief in the Satan of the Christian pantheon although thriving on the sinister image and the hostility it can evoke in Christians and the media. Satanism is an adversarial form of self‐religion. ... There are Satanists in Britain. There are six groups who between them have less than 100 members. There are more people who read Satanist magazines or have bought books by Satanists, e.g. Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible (1969). Again they are few in number compared to the scare-estimate. A larger number of people—some adolescents—name themselves Satanists, but belong to no formal or organised Satanist group.
- ziddoap 3y ago
  As a note, The Satanic Temple was founded in 2013, and rejects many of the Church of Satan's beliefs (as well as other Satanic organizations). Both papers linked are prior to 2013. See https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/church-of-satan-vs-satanic-temple https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/church-of-satan-vs-satani...
  - defrost 3y ago
    A schism in interpretation and belief certainly seems very Christian.
    - 3y ago

Satan has a very strong meaning in Islam and other religions. This would not be possible in France or UK.

by Gee8r9 3y ago

Satan has a very strong meaning in Islam and other religions. This would not be possible in France or UK.

gridspy 3y ago

Are you claiming there is no religious freedom in France and the UK?

Gee8r9 3y ago
There is no bacon in school cafeteria...
- ben_w 3y ago
  In the UK? That's probably just budget cuts. Even 25 years ago when I was a kid myself, the cafeterias were on a shoestring budget. I can't remember if there was or wasn't bacon back then, owing to vegetarian diet I never asked about the meats.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  British schools are apparently damned if they do, damned if they don’t. In the real world, they’re criticised for serving carcinogenic bacon (https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/sep/02/thousands-of-schools-serving-meals-that-could-contain-cancer-causing-chemicals https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/sep/02/thousands-...), meanwhile in the imagination of weird internet people they have banned bacon.
- orwin 3y ago
  You also have to serve an alternative. Source: I've worked with French schools in a previous life.

dekhn 3y ago

it's really just a tax form in the US: https://www.wikihow.com/Start-a-Religion https://www.wikihow.com/Start-a-Religion

yongjik 3y ago

On the other hand, students in France or UK don't have to do active shooter drills. Different countries, different social problems, different styles of bigots, and different solutions.

defrost 3y ago

It's entirely possible in the UK, it's just simply not very popular anymore as the region has already seen a major push back against overbearing Christian practices and pushed most of them out to the Americas and elsewhere. Today there are on the order of a 100 or so committed Satanists in the UK according to: Journal of Contemporary Religion: Satanism in Britain today (1995) - Graham Harvey https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/13537909508580747 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/1353790950858074... https://sci-hub.ru/10.1080/13537909508580747 https://sci-hub.ru/10.1080/13537909508580747 This paper discusses the views and activities of self‐identified Satanists in Britain, especially the Temple of Set, the Church of Satan, the Order of the Nine Angles and Dark Lily. It also comments on ad hoc, adolescent and multi‐generational Satanism. Satanism is a series of techniques for allowing individuals to affirm, develop and express themselves, and to do what they wish to do in the context of a spirituality. It does not require belief in the Satan of the Christian pantheon although thriving on the sinister image and the hostility it can evoke in Christians and the media. Satanism is an adversarial form of self‐religion. ... There are Satanists in Britain. There are six groups who between them have less than 100 members. There are more people who read Satanist magazines or have bought books by Satanists, e.g. Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible (1969). Again they are few in number compared to the scare-estimate. A larger number of people—some adolescents—name themselves Satanists, but belong to no formal or organised Satanist group.

ziddoap 3y ago
As a note, The Satanic Temple was founded in 2013, and rejects many of the Church of Satan's beliefs (as well as other Satanic organizations). Both papers linked are prior to 2013. See https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/church-of-satan-vs-satanic-temple https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/church-of-satan-vs-satani...
- defrost 3y ago
  A schism in interpretation and belief certainly seems very Christian.
  - 3y ago