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It's always a fascinating sight to observe how dictatorships inevitably ruin countries. Simply because there is a force too strong for anyone to be able to obje
by anovikov 3y ago
It's always a fascinating sight to observe how dictatorships inevitably ruin countries. Simply because there is a force too strong for anyone to be able to object, and over time it starts making fatal mistakes not having any feedback. Chinese did that to themselves in XIX century and are repeating it again.
- daymanstep 3y agoI hope you're not implying that the Chinese government is responsible for its declining fertility rates, because South Korea, Japan, and pretty much all developed countries in East Asia are having the same problem.
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- Kim_Bruning 3y agoYou have something of a point, but to be sure: the Chinese government was very explicit about it, for quite a long time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy
- 0dayz 3y agoRight, so the 1 child policy was never something that the Chinese government enacted?
- mensetmanusman 3y agoThey did, there were lots of forced abortions and sterilizations. The sex ratio per age group gives one a crazy sense of the scale of this. https://www.statista.com/statistics/282119/china-sex-ratio-by-age-group/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/282119/china-sex-ratio-b...
- vinnyvichy 3y agoChina probably gave a bad name to dictatorships for their 1-child policy, but the guy you are replying to has a history of denying that birth rates in most of Western Europe is pretty much only held up by immigrants.
- anovikov 3y agoSo what's the problem if so? U.S. is a country entirely built of migrants. And they give citizenship by birth which Europe does not. And seems to be doing pretty well. CCP on the other hand, has no chance in the world to attract migrants, because people are not fools.
- vinnyvichy 3y agoProblem seems to be modern ("postenlightenment") liberalism: https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-conservative-fertility-advantage https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-conservative-fertility-advant... You can see rayiner's nuanced take above.. rayiner is a well known republican here.. US liberals full on supported fertility reduction in Asia (not to mention contributed to such in their own country)
- chalcolithic 3y agoYou seems to be pretty confident in China prospects. Are you willing to bet $1000 against my $100 that if China tries to lure in immigrants from a wide range of countries it will fail?
- mensetmanusman 3y agoabout 10% of the US is immigrant, that number is less than 0.1% in China.
- berserk1010 3y agodictatorship + failing economy + xenophobia + han-ethnocentrism goes brutally hard against immigration from other nationalities. immigrants would be beaten, harassed, and killed en mass in China.
- rayiner 3y agoAll those countries had intense anti-natal campaigns by the government. They didn’t outright kill babies like China, but they persuaded two generations of people to closely link the idea of lower birth rates to development and civilization: https://www.firstthings.com/article/2023/05/anti-natal-engineering https://www.firstthings.com/article/2023/05/anti-natal-engin... This was supported by intense efforts from western countries to reduce birth rates in Asia. Family planning and contraception promotion is a key segment of USAID, for example.
- anovikov 3y agoGood job. And people say U.S. authorities are inept and incompetent.