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The last couple of years in Tetris have been wild I grew up with Tetris and playing a traditional DAS [1] style and never was able to put the time into learnin
by AndrewKemendo 3y ago
The last couple of years in Tetris have been wild
I grew up with Tetris and playing a traditional DAS [1] style and never was able to put the time into learning hypertapping. Once rolling came out a few years ago I totally abandoned trying to keep up. My highest score was almost a maxout on 29
Something you'll notice too is that the younger players are crushing the traditional players by changing the rules. So, NOBODY at CTWC is playing DAS anymore and I think Jonas was the last big DAS player, before moving to Tapping. I attribute this to anyone over 30 learning in the DAS style while younger players can START with rolling.
RIP Jonas Neubauer (NubbinsGoody https://www.twitch.tv/nubbinsgoody https://www.twitch.tv/nubbinsgoody) he was the guy that kind of lead the explosion of Tetris after the movie came out and Thor more or less retired. He and his wife were very helpful to me trying to get to maxout with some tips back in 2018 to get a CRT monitor as that was a limiting factor back then.
[1]https://tetris.fandom.com/wiki/DAS https://tetris.fandom.com/wiki/DAS
- hannofcart 3y agoI thought I knew Tetris. I guess I don't. I'm just humbled by how little I understood of the comment above.
- shadefinale 3y agoWhat's cool is a lot of the above terms are specific to NES tetris too. Tetris has a lot of depth and there's a ton of variants out there depending on what you want to get out of playing. Personally I love the TGM series but it's totally different from what you'd think of if you started with NES tetris.
- crdrost 3y agoQuick glossary: DAS - "Delayed autoshift," the delay is between when you press the button and when the long keypress starts to register as multiple clicks, auto-shifting the piece to the sides. So this is kind of a software-based "convention" that everyone knows, you open your word processor, you press the down arrow, it goes "down" one line and then waits for a quarter-second and then starts going in a more fluid motion steadily downwards as the software converts the continuous keypress to effectively be a stream of down-button-presses. Tetris has this too, if you hold down left/right you'll move once then after a delay it'll start shifting constantly to the edges. tapping, hypertapping - tapping a NES controller very quickly by using pressure in your grip to create a "springy" system where you can rapidly flip up/down across the actuation point, so that you don't wait for the delay and the computer-auto-button-presses but communicate each button-press yourself CTWC - Classic Tetris World Championship, hosted by the Portland Retro Gaming Expo. Rolling - strategies where you flip tapping/hypertapping "upside down", so that the hand holding the button in tension is actually pressing on the D-pad while the hand actuating the button rapidly is pressing on the traditional bottom of the controller. I don't know what styles are popular but the controller itself might be held upside down to facilitate this. This is something like pressing on your mouse button with two or more fingers in an alternating rhythm in clicky-style games, normally the directional pad is too small to hit with multiple fingers but this technique allows multiple fingers to each register a separate keypress. Maxout - I believe this refers to when the score overflows the digits available for display and the game just tells you that you have 999,999 points and you have to use independent means to confirm how much you actually scored CRT monitor - hopefully I don't have to explain this to folks here but a big bulky sort of display that was used before LCDs became ubiquitous, short for "cathode ray tube," which is a big electron gun that we would eagerly point at our own faces hoping that the electrons all got 100% absorbed by little phosphors on the actual screen, which could be reliably triggered to emit red, green, or blue light.
- rkagerer 3y agoAdding one more thing about CRT monitors for younger folks here... they had better refresh characteristics than early LCD monitors (which had lag due to their more complicated electronics/processing).
- Retr0id 3y agoThey still have better refresh characteristics than LCDs, on paper, although the practical difference becomes negligible.
- mrob 3y agoCRTs have better refresh characteristics at the same refresh rate, which is relevant to NES Tetris because it runs at a fixed 60.1Hz (slightly faster than NTSC). But LCDs are available with higher refresh rate than CRTs, so if the software supports it you can get lower average latency on an LCD.
- charcircuit 3y agoDo the display controllers for LCDs not wait for an entire frame to be written, so it can display it at once?
- shawnz 3y agoThere are LCDs with a refresh rate more than double 60Hz, so even with entire frames worth of latency they could still be faster than a 60Hz CRT
- Retr0id 3y agoThe CRT's electron beam gets to "write" the video data onto the phosphor in real-time, as the analog signal comes off the wire.
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- fdeage 3y ago"Human subcultures are nested fractally. There's no bottom." (https://xkcd.com/1095 https://xkcd.com/1095)
- helix278 3y agoWhat is hypertapping and tapping?
- abcd_f 3y agoWouldn't hurt to explain other voodoo words, e.g. DAS and rolling.
- Aissen 3y agoBoth of those terms are explained quickly in the video, and have a dedicated explanation video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-BZ5-Q48lE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-BZ5-Q48lE
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- xerox13ster 3y agoThese are shown and explained in the video. tapping/hypertapping: what you do to your mouse trying to get your click speed above 10 CPS rolling: the same but tapping each finger on the bottom of the controller while pressing the buttons to feather tap the switch state extremely fast. like fiddling a mechanical keyboard key over the actuation point. The equivalent of putting sharpied electrical tape on your mouse and rubbing it. DAS: the thing we did as kids to hold the piece up by holding down a horizontal direction.
- refulgentis 3y agoGently teasing :) - I definitely got _more_ confused, these are interesting examples. > what you do to your mouse trying to get your click speed above 10 CPS. ?! > The equivalent of putting sharpied electrical tape on your mouse and rubbing it. ?!?
- jameshart 3y agoYou know, like when you use bacon grease in your USB ports. Or flip the monitor to face away from you when you’re pressing backspace. Just the regular things normal technomancers learn to do to avoid the wrath of the Basilisk.
- floucky 3y agoI didn't know he had died, it's really sad... I remember seeing some random Tetris videos on YouTube with him and the guy saying 'Boom Tetris'.
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