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Microsoft Copilot iOS App

72 points by franze 3y ago

2Gkashmiri 3y ago
What is with Facebook and Microsoft ? I recently installed Facebook messenger on android and it literally had ads in the chat list itself. Yuck. Same for Microsoft. At least I don't have to use any ms product but everything has ads now ?? Why ?
- donor20 3y ago
  Having just fought a vendor for months to cancel a service - how do others not realize that long term the apple approach that builds trust will actually pay off? We had three people working to get cancellation done. Customer service / billing / tickets / emails and more. It was ridiculous. The only person who could cancel was a salesperson we’d never worked with who would NOT respond to calls and emails. And we pay this vendor 75,000+! Every time windows pro jams “search suggestions” and other crap in via notifications and elsewhere I just roll my eyes
  - TMWNN 3y ago
    > Every time windows pro jams “search suggestions” and other crap in via notifications and elsewhere I just roll my eyes I need to use an Amazon application to read Transparency codes on certain products I sell. Amazon recently added ads that appear with the codes ... which cause the codes themselves to be almost impossible to select to copy to my computer.
    - donor20 3y ago
      Exactly- do these companies realize how annoying this stuff is? Same issues w volume licensed windows 10 - it comes w garbage. Everything you tough it seems gets stuffed w this crap
      - lodovic 3y ago
        They are trying to establish the level of annoyance acceptable to their customers. Once people start to leave they won't increase any more.
        HenryBemis 3y ago
        Let me reword this for you.. "Once a small acceptable number of people start to leave they won't increase any more." Anyone (?) can leave with a small number of 'unimportant' clients to leave. And true, they tweak the level of annoyance to hit a balance. Remember the rule that one should fire the clients that are not profitable enough (and 'profitable' is a subjective term).
- aethros 3y ago
  For a while I used FB Messenger Lite, which was basically designed for low-bandwidth markets (read: not US) but came without any sort of bloat. Sadly they recently deprecated it, which forced me to switch. It seems like these companies feel the need to put ads everywhere--at some point I'd imagine some users will just stop using tools that are too bloated.
- notatoad 3y ago
  people don't like paying money for things. if you're willing to pay, the chatGPT app is going to be a better experience. the only reason to use the copilot app is to get gpt4 for free. and that means ads.
  - digging 3y ago
    > people don't like paying money for things. This is probably not true, or why would people so often enjoy spending money? I think people do like (and now expect, thanks to decades of the "spyware" business model) getting free things. Combined with low levels of tech literacy and extremely low levels of trust in fair pricing of goods & services, and a typical person isn't likely to think there's any price that they ever should pay for software.
- huytersd 3y ago
  It’s pretty smelly. They probably don’t even make all that much from those specific ads but it makes the application/system feel completely cheap.
- therealpygon 3y ago
  Obviously, people need to pay for record profits somehow…
  - HenryBemis 3y ago
    Shareholders want their dividends.. you can't blame them/us/yourself, can you? (assuming you also got some FAANG stock)(or some tech/SP500-like mutual funds)
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Let me get this straight. You're complaining that free web services you're not paying for with money, have ads in them? How do you expect them to pay for the infrastructure and dev wages without ad money? What exctly do you expect? @downvoters: seriously? you're donvoting someone for stating the bleeding obvious?
  - NietTim 3y ago
    Holy asumption batman. Personally if I had a coice, I wouldn't use any facebook products like their messenger, but I don't want to give up contact with the few people I can only reach trough their platform. Paying for their services isn't even an option, I bet a lot of privacy minded people like me would gladly pay a fee just so they don't track you & serve you ads, _but you can't_.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      Those services would never be so popular today if they charge money to the users, because while you or me would be willing to pay, the vast majority of users (>90%) are not willing to pay a dime for services when there are free alternatives. How do you think Google's services got so popular? From charging money for them or from offering them for free? That's the hard truth and please don't pretend you didn't already know this fact before rating about it.
      - NietTim 3y ago
        I said option. Free tier could still exist. Good luck with your arguments.
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        That option already exists in the EU. Meta asks for 10 EUros/month in exchange for no ads. Guess how many people pay versus choose to have ads? Most people by a landslide choose the ads, because they don't see the value in paying cash to use social media. Please, enlightne me with your arguments then. Most likely when Copilot addoption gets big enough, ad free paid tiers will also pop up for those users who find it valuable, but until then it's easier to get mass adoption of a service by only having a free tier as paying money upfront for a yet unfamilar service puts off most users. That's what you don't understand.
- butlike 3y ago
  Because you don't pay $20/mo. for GPT? The compute isn't free...
unsupp0rted 3y ago
Weird text input box. It doesn’t auto-capitalize new sentences? I wonder what that box is doing in the background with every word I type.
- jamesdwilson 3y ago
  Spawning a new Microsoft Edge ® process, powered by Microsoft Bing ™. So remember, next time you Google something, Google it with Bing! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYVCk10AzS0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYVCk10AzS0
- taspeotis 3y ago
  ChatGPT is actually just Sam Altman https://twitter.com/sama https://twitter.com/sama
  - butlike 3y ago
    ~~explain.~~ Explain, please. If you'd like to.
    - taspeotis 3y ago
      Sam Altman doesn’t like capitals.
- corobo 3y ago
  Anyone know if this is something that has changed in iOS? I've noticed that Twitch chat in their iOS app no longer capitalises sentences recently too.
  - kergonath 3y ago
    The OS has not changed. This can be checked in any standard text box, like the comment fields here. Presumably they wanted a custom text box to do some kind of processing as the user types and did not bother re-implementing the standard behaviour properly.
alicanK 3y ago
So we don’t need chatgpt anymore? 30 daily limit is pretty enough for my needs.
- alpb 3y ago
  I think this app biases towards searching online, which is very different than what ChatGPT does. Similarly it can’t do data analysis or equivalent Dall-e image generation. But yeah it can go a long way?
  - podgib 3y ago
    > or equivalent Dall-e image generation Copilot on windows and android can do Dall-E image generation; I don't see why it wouldn't be able to on iOS
    - kergonath 3y ago
      It is. I checked earlier today.
  - Skunkleton 3y ago
    draw a picture of a smug hacker news user proving himself correct https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-smug-hacker-news-user-proving-himself-correct/1-659508c24d7f484c8db8d146e78830a5?id=JRXYj1vscRJEbqU9Vs64YA%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&noidpclose=1&FORM=SYDBIC&ssp=1&darkschemeovr=1&setlang=en&cc=US&safesearch=moderate https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-smug-hacker-news-user-p...
- vitorgrs 3y ago
  The daily limit is 300. It's 30 per conversation. It was actually unlimited before. They limited because on long conversations it gets "unaligned".
  - sockaddr 3y ago
    It seems any sufficiently unconstrained AI eventually approximates Hitler over time.
WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
My complaint with Copilot in Windows is MS's intent that CP eventually be ingratiated into every task, ostensibly to always be ready to jump in and help. This will just coincidentally enable collection of massive amounts of new telemetery, as CP extends it's vigilance into absolutely everything users do. I can't imagine MS won't do all it can to achieve this same level of invasiveness in Apple ecosystems, if it possibly can.
- edgyquant 3y ago
  Boy that acronym really threw me off
  - throwuxiytayq 3y ago
    It’s great, I might actually start using it
    - BHSPitMonkey 3y ago
      The acronym, that is.
ryanSrich 3y ago
Anyone tested this against perplexity yet? I assume it's more or less attempting to compete with that as opposed to ChatGPT.
Alifatisk 3y ago
They have two other apps that features this aswell on the appstore. - Bing Ai app - Start app
- vitorgrs 3y ago
  Weather app too...
gorbypark 3y ago
Has anyone been able to login to the app? The sign in button does nothing when I click on it, and the sign in link in the "default chat" just takes me to a blank page. It's been like this for 2 days now. I'm somewhat assuming it's a weird regional behaviour...my Apple account is based in Canada but I am physically in Europe. Is this not available in Europe, and it's tripping out since I'm connecting from a European IP?
- cpressland 3y ago
  Works fine here (UK), just takes me straight to login.microsoftonline.com.
- ace2358 3y ago
  I’ve noticed that iCloud private relay messes with things sometimes. Website that claim I have to prove my identity time and time again aren’t uncommon. I have to turn it off to get them to work. Could that be affecting you?
  - gorbypark 3y ago
    I'm at home and just double checked that Private Relay is off for my network here, and it is (off), so that doesn't seem to be the issue :/
- firecall 3y ago
  I signed in with no problems using my MS account.
- butlike 3y ago
  It's probably just growing pains with iOS stuff and will work eventually
Havoc 3y ago
Would think that OpenAI would need to drop pricing soon then. Or release v5 I guess. Charging 20 bucks for something available for free somewhere else is a little spicy
- vanjajaja1 3y ago
  I keep asking myself why I pay... copilot ios did seem a bit busy and slow, but i'm close to ending my chatgpt at this rate
borg16 3y ago
has anyone done a comparison of gpt-4 vs. the gpt-4 that microsoft says is being included in most of it's products these days? I want to say they both aren't exactly the same, as I noticed through some responses to same questions by each, but I am interested in a detailed analysis if anyone has done that.
- sebazzz 3y ago
  > I want to say they both aren't exactly the same, as I noticed through some responses to same questions by each, but I am interested in a detailed analysis if anyone has done that. That is very well possible and can be due to one of the many parameters of the LLM being different, like the temperature for instance.
- vitorgrs 3y ago
  It's a finetuned version of GPT4 for some scenarios (more chatty, with "Sydney" personality). They are testing GPT4-Turbo, which seems to be closer (or the same) to ChatGPT style and quality of answer. But there will be a new, separated option to enable "Sydney". Worth to point out that Balanced is not running pure GPT4. It runs multiple models. Only Creative/Precise runs GPT4 only.

72 points by franze 3y ago

What is with Facebook and Microsoft ? I recently installed Facebook messenger on android and it literally had ads in the chat list itself. Yuck. Same for Microsoft. At least I don't have to use any ms product but everything has ads now ?? Why ?

donor20 3y ago
Having just fought a vendor for months to cancel a service - how do others not realize that long term the apple approach that builds trust will actually pay off? We had three people working to get cancellation done. Customer service / billing / tickets / emails and more. It was ridiculous. The only person who could cancel was a salesperson we’d never worked with who would NOT respond to calls and emails. And we pay this vendor 75,000+! Every time windows pro jams “search suggestions” and other crap in via notifications and elsewhere I just roll my eyes
- TMWNN 3y ago
  > Every time windows pro jams “search suggestions” and other crap in via notifications and elsewhere I just roll my eyes I need to use an Amazon application to read Transparency codes on certain products I sell. Amazon recently added ads that appear with the codes ... which cause the codes themselves to be almost impossible to select to copy to my computer.
  - donor20 3y ago
    Exactly- do these companies realize how annoying this stuff is? Same issues w volume licensed windows 10 - it comes w garbage. Everything you tough it seems gets stuffed w this crap
    - lodovic 3y ago
      They are trying to establish the level of annoyance acceptable to their customers. Once people start to leave they won't increase any more.
      - HenryBemis 3y ago
        Let me reword this for you.. "Once a small acceptable number of people start to leave they won't increase any more." Anyone (?) can leave with a small number of 'unimportant' clients to leave. And true, they tweak the level of annoyance to hit a balance. Remember the rule that one should fire the clients that are not profitable enough (and 'profitable' is a subjective term).
aethros 3y ago
For a while I used FB Messenger Lite, which was basically designed for low-bandwidth markets (read: not US) but came without any sort of bloat. Sadly they recently deprecated it, which forced me to switch. It seems like these companies feel the need to put ads everywhere--at some point I'd imagine some users will just stop using tools that are too bloated.
notatoad 3y ago
people don't like paying money for things. if you're willing to pay, the chatGPT app is going to be a better experience. the only reason to use the copilot app is to get gpt4 for free. and that means ads.
- digging 3y ago
  > people don't like paying money for things. This is probably not true, or why would people so often enjoy spending money? I think people do like (and now expect, thanks to decades of the "spyware" business model) getting free things. Combined with low levels of tech literacy and extremely low levels of trust in fair pricing of goods & services, and a typical person isn't likely to think there's any price that they ever should pay for software.
huytersd 3y ago
It’s pretty smelly. They probably don’t even make all that much from those specific ads but it makes the application/system feel completely cheap.
therealpygon 3y ago
Obviously, people need to pay for record profits somehow…
- HenryBemis 3y ago
  Shareholders want their dividends.. you can't blame them/us/yourself, can you? (assuming you also got some FAANG stock)(or some tech/SP500-like mutual funds)
FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Let me get this straight. You're complaining that free web services you're not paying for with money, have ads in them? How do you expect them to pay for the infrastructure and dev wages without ad money? What exctly do you expect? @downvoters: seriously? you're donvoting someone for stating the bleeding obvious?
- NietTim 3y ago
  Holy asumption batman. Personally if I had a coice, I wouldn't use any facebook products like their messenger, but I don't want to give up contact with the few people I can only reach trough their platform. Paying for their services isn't even an option, I bet a lot of privacy minded people like me would gladly pay a fee just so they don't track you & serve you ads, _but you can't_.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    Those services would never be so popular today if they charge money to the users, because while you or me would be willing to pay, the vast majority of users (>90%) are not willing to pay a dime for services when there are free alternatives. How do you think Google's services got so popular? From charging money for them or from offering them for free? That's the hard truth and please don't pretend you didn't already know this fact before rating about it.
    - NietTim 3y ago
      I said option. Free tier could still exist. Good luck with your arguments.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        That option already exists in the EU. Meta asks for 10 EUros/month in exchange for no ads. Guess how many people pay versus choose to have ads? Most people by a landslide choose the ads, because they don't see the value in paying cash to use social media. Please, enlightne me with your arguments then. Most likely when Copilot addoption gets big enough, ad free paid tiers will also pop up for those users who find it valuable, but until then it's easier to get mass adoption of a service by only having a free tier as paying money upfront for a yet unfamilar service puts off most users. That's what you don't understand.
butlike 3y ago
Because you don't pay $20/mo. for GPT? The compute isn't free...

unsupp0rted 3y ago

Weird text input box. It doesn’t auto-capitalize new sentences? I wonder what that box is doing in the background with every word I type.

jamesdwilson 3y ago
Spawning a new Microsoft Edge ® process, powered by Microsoft Bing ™. So remember, next time you Google something, Google it with Bing! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYVCk10AzS0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYVCk10AzS0
taspeotis 3y ago
ChatGPT is actually just Sam Altman https://twitter.com/sama https://twitter.com/sama
- butlike 3y ago
  ~~explain.~~ Explain, please. If you'd like to.
  - taspeotis 3y ago
    Sam Altman doesn’t like capitals.
corobo 3y ago
Anyone know if this is something that has changed in iOS? I've noticed that Twitch chat in their iOS app no longer capitalises sentences recently too.
- kergonath 3y ago
  The OS has not changed. This can be checked in any standard text box, like the comment fields here. Presumably they wanted a custom text box to do some kind of processing as the user types and did not bother re-implementing the standard behaviour properly.

alicanK 3y ago

So we don’t need chatgpt anymore? 30 daily limit is pretty enough for my needs.

alpb 3y ago
I think this app biases towards searching online, which is very different than what ChatGPT does. Similarly it can’t do data analysis or equivalent Dall-e image generation. But yeah it can go a long way?
- podgib 3y ago
  > or equivalent Dall-e image generation Copilot on windows and android can do Dall-E image generation; I don't see why it wouldn't be able to on iOS
  - kergonath 3y ago
    It is. I checked earlier today.
- Skunkleton 3y ago
  draw a picture of a smug hacker news user proving himself correct https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-smug-hacker-news-user-proving-himself-correct/1-659508c24d7f484c8db8d146e78830a5?id=JRXYj1vscRJEbqU9Vs64YA%3d%3d&view=detailv2&idpp=genimg&noidpclose=1&FORM=SYDBIC&ssp=1&darkschemeovr=1&setlang=en&cc=US&safesearch=moderate https://www.bing.com/images/create/a-smug-hacker-news-user-p...
vitorgrs 3y ago
The daily limit is 300. It's 30 per conversation. It was actually unlimited before. They limited because on long conversations it gets "unaligned".
- sockaddr 3y ago
  It seems any sufficiently unconstrained AI eventually approximates Hitler over time.

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago

My complaint with Copilot in Windows is MS's intent that CP eventually be ingratiated into every task, ostensibly to always be ready to jump in and help. This will just coincidentally enable collection of massive amounts of new telemetery, as CP extends it's vigilance into absolutely everything users do. I can't imagine MS won't do all it can to achieve this same level of invasiveness in Apple ecosystems, if it possibly can.

edgyquant 3y ago
Boy that acronym really threw me off
- throwuxiytayq 3y ago
  It’s great, I might actually start using it
  - BHSPitMonkey 3y ago
    The acronym, that is.

ryanSrich 3y ago

Anyone tested this against perplexity yet? I assume it's more or less attempting to compete with that as opposed to ChatGPT.

Alifatisk 3y ago

They have two other apps that features this aswell on the appstore. - Bing Ai app - Start app

vitorgrs 3y ago
Weather app too...

gorbypark 3y ago

Has anyone been able to login to the app? The sign in button does nothing when I click on it, and the sign in link in the "default chat" just takes me to a blank page. It's been like this for 2 days now. I'm somewhat assuming it's a weird regional behaviour...my Apple account is based in Canada but I am physically in Europe. Is this not available in Europe, and it's tripping out since I'm connecting from a European IP?

cpressland 3y ago
Works fine here (UK), just takes me straight to login.microsoftonline.com.
ace2358 3y ago
I’ve noticed that iCloud private relay messes with things sometimes. Website that claim I have to prove my identity time and time again aren’t uncommon. I have to turn it off to get them to work. Could that be affecting you?
- gorbypark 3y ago
  I'm at home and just double checked that Private Relay is off for my network here, and it is (off), so that doesn't seem to be the issue :/
firecall 3y ago
I signed in with no problems using my MS account.
butlike 3y ago
It's probably just growing pains with iOS stuff and will work eventually

Havoc 3y ago

Would think that OpenAI would need to drop pricing soon then. Or release v5 I guess. Charging 20 bucks for something available for free somewhere else is a little spicy

vanjajaja1 3y ago
I keep asking myself why I pay... copilot ios did seem a bit busy and slow, but i'm close to ending my chatgpt at this rate

borg16 3y ago

has anyone done a comparison of gpt-4 vs. the gpt-4 that microsoft says is being included in most of it's products these days? I want to say they both aren't exactly the same, as I noticed through some responses to same questions by each, but I am interested in a detailed analysis if anyone has done that.

sebazzz 3y ago
> I want to say they both aren't exactly the same, as I noticed through some responses to same questions by each, but I am interested in a detailed analysis if anyone has done that. That is very well possible and can be due to one of the many parameters of the LLM being different, like the temperature for instance.
vitorgrs 3y ago
It's a finetuned version of GPT4 for some scenarios (more chatty, with "Sydney" personality). They are testing GPT4-Turbo, which seems to be closer (or the same) to ChatGPT style and quality of answer. But there will be a new, separated option to enable "Sydney". Worth to point out that Balanced is not running pure GPT4. It runs multiple models. Only Creative/Precise runs GPT4 only.