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2024's public domain is a banger
- putlake 3y agoI wonder if YouTube has a department that keeps track of what is coming into the public domain in which country at what date. Or will their systems be out of date and still flag copyright violations on this content?
- alanfalcon 3y agoAnecdotal evidence is they are still flagging this content. https://x.com/quijanophd/status/1741897926924726449?s=46&t=c6-JCDlzIsy1hic6KC12BQ https://x.com/quijanophd/status/1741897926924726449?s=46&t=c...
- Macha 3y agoYouTube already doesn't validate copyright claims are valid - the DMCA makes even trying legally perilous, and YouTube's motivation to keep on good terms with the publishers goes even further. So in that regard, this changes nothing.
- bigbinary 3y agoConsidering the abuse of the automated dmca system, I imagine YouTube will continue to side with the publishers for a long while, even in cases of legitimate use. There’s way less liability in false positives than false negatives for them.
- wahnfrieden 3y agoThey've got no incentive to prioritize free use over protecting corporate interests. And evidence shows this holds in practice, when it's not necessary for them to. Welcome to "regulation by free market" (in other words, regulation by incumbent private interests)
- pbhjpbhj 3y agoWhich means governments need to incentivise such priorities. Find a government that promotes their citizens above neoptistic and/or commercial interests and I'm sure they'll get right on to it ...
- wahnfrieden 3y agoIn my view that is not something a government does And I don't believe that progress happens by us imagining a rule toward a more perfect society and then government following to enact it
- junon 3y agoQuite a few claims on the internet that they're flagging content still.
- marc_abonce 3y agoProbably not. Youtubers can get copyright strikes for playing original interpretations of Bach or any other classical music that has been in the public domain for centuries. One example on top of my head comes from TwoSetViolin commenting on this issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsMMG0EQoyI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsMMG0EQoyI In their case, the issue was fixed, but I wonder if smaller channels get the same "benefit" or a human reviewer.
- gweinberg 3y agoThis is the third "happy public domain day" post I've seen here, and they've all been remarkably sparse when it comes to actually listing what comes into the public domain. Maybe a dozen or so books, I know they can't list everything but I'd like to see at least a few hundred.
- Eric_WVGG 3y agoI think it's because the list just isn't all that interesting… are you as hyped about all the new works based on Virginia Wolfe's Orlando as I am? Academically, it's interesting to think over the media that would already be in public domain had Sonny Bono and Clinton not sold us out… basically everything through World War II, and (since all anyone brings up is Steamboat Willie) all the big foundational Disney movies from Snow White through Bambi and Dumbo. Makes one wonder if this fad for "live-action remakes" isn't connected…
- MichaelZuo 3y agoIf no one on the entire internet cares enough to compile a list enumerating at least a single percentage fraction of such works, then it suggest the news itself is not that important to any actual, tangible, individual.
- beacon294 3y agoThings don't have to be momentous to have a measurable impact in the long term. Unwinding intangible property rights has tremendous value for the public, and we should get it sooner.
- pbhjpbhj 3y agoWhich I think -- in my personal opinion -- is strong evidence that copyright terms are too long. We (the demos) are supposed to give people a time-limited monopoly in return for them ultimately enriching the public domain. If the works entering the public domain are spent then we need to adjust the deal until it heavily benefits the pubic domain -- the works should still be culturally relevant, so they should be works that are at most [let's say] 30 years old where a parent could share the cultural experiences of works from their own youth with a child.
- sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y agoCopyright is broken and needs reform. Imagine a world where people can freely access learning materials. Sure they can do it now through „illegal“ channels but many don’t and that is negatively impacting all of humanity.
- cscurmudgeon 3y agoQuestion: Even books written today will be free for all in your ideal world?
- sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y agoall forms of copying are morally permissible (without commercial use), because some forms of copying are permissible and there is not a logical distinction between various forms of copying.
- cscurmudgeon 3y ago1. I disagree. Who says what is morally permissible or not? Why shouldn’t authors keep the fruits of their labor? 2. Why did morality even come here?
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- layer8 3y agoPeople would also put less time and effort into creating learning materials. If someone wants to create freely accessible learning materials, they can do so today. And some do!
- sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y agoI think there would still be more than enough learning materials created to learn anything you can imagine. Education is proven to be one of the thing that impacts your life most positively if available. Yet we gate education behind money and privilege and let publishers hold the public hostage for profit. Why? Is it worth it in your opinion?
- throw_pm23 3y agoWhat can you (and would want to) do with Mickey Mouse that you couldn't do yesterday?
- citizenkeen 3y agoMake a horror game where Mickey Mouse is hunting you? https://store.steampowered.com/app/2635640/Infestation_88/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/2635640/Infestation_88/
- throw_pm23 3y agoOK, so someone somewhere had thought of this. Would _you_ be interested in it?
- IshKebab 3y agoAnything you want! As long as it can't confuse consumers into thinking it came from Disney. And it has to be based on the 1938 version. It'll be interesting to see the first lawsuits over this, because there's a lot of grey area!
- tedunangst 3y agoBut the question is what do you want, not what I want.
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- biscuits1 3y ago2024's public domain is a mouse
- dang 3y agoRelated ongoing thread: Happy Public Domain Day - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38833208 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38833208 Also: Disney's earliest Mickey Mouse enters public domain as US copyright expires - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38830264 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38830264 - Jan 2024 (162 comments) January 1, 2024 is Public Domain Day - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38823973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38823973 - Dec 2023 (15 comments) Copyright for original Mickey Mouse persona to run out 1 January 2024 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38799484 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38799484 - Dec 2023 (10 comments) Mickey Mouse to Enter Public Domain: "It's Finally Happening'" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38737164 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38737164 - Dec 2023 (7 comments) Mickey, Disney, and the public domain: A 95-year love triangle - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38678021 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38678021 - Dec 2023 (208 comments) Public Domain Day 2024 Is Coming: Here's What to Know - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38586978 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38586978 - Dec 2023 (6 comments) The Mickey Mouse Copyright Runs Out in 2024 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36559037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36559037 - July 2023 (64 comments)
- xrd 3y agoHere's a serious question; public domain is different for each country. How do you technically restrict people from non-US countries from accessing the content that is legal to remix in the US? Is it acceptable to just ask them to confirm they are US citizens and then keep a cookie with that acceptance? For example, in one of the threads on Gutenberg, a German user complains they cannot access the site. Just ip blocking? Is that sufficient? Man, I love Corey Doctorow's writing. So fun.
- camdenlock 3y agoReading a Doctorow article like this, I get the sense that he thinks it would be a swell idea to force everyone by law to surrender all private property to the benevolent care of the state. His use of the word “comrade” does nothing to alleviate this impression, either.
- Projectiboga 3y agoI think the time limit should be low for blockbusters and anything over some threshold of total sales. The extensions should only be for stories that haven't grossed $5 million of something, but there should be a roof for how long it's covered against private copying. Maybe a larger amount but some lower tier artist should get a longer duration but the big studios and big publishers shouldn't be able to keep steamboat Willie locked up so long. It shows how crazy our society is, big pharma advances get 17 to maybe 20 years from filing, but Mickey Mouse, a similar age to penicillin was out of patent in the mid 1950s.