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commercial airliners don't crash into mountains any more, but small civil aviation craft do with some regularity, particularly when sightseeing and entering int
by fsckboy 3y ago
commercial airliners don't crash into mountains any more, but small civil aviation craft do with some regularity, particularly when sightseeing and entering into or flying "up" canyons, ravines, etc. The optics can be deceptive, and the sides close in, and, running out of room, they can't turn tight enough or gain altitude quick enough. Also, at a higher altitudes and in hot weather, the less dense air provides much less lift, and the propulsion is less effective, and higher altitudes and nice weather is generally the meeting place for flatlander sightseers and mountains.
I've been watching a lot of plane crash youtubes.
- nyjah 3y agoAny specific channels?
- fsckboy 3y agomy favorite two are blancolirio https://www.youtube.com/@blancolirio/videos https://www.youtube.com/@blancolirio/videos and Pilot Debrief https://www.youtube.com/@pilot-debrief/videos https://www.youtube.com/@pilot-debrief/videos both are experienced, detailed, serious, sober minded If you start out with those two channels but also pay attention to youtube's suggestions for related videos, you'll get a good selection.
- rodface 3y agoI'll add this channel: https://www.youtube.com/@flyingformoney777 https://www.youtube.com/@flyingformoney777 I like his tone and he's technical like blancolirio.
- xcv123 3y agoAnother recommendation https://www.youtube.com/@GreenDotAviation/videos https://www.youtube.com/@GreenDotAviation/videos
- blessedwhiskers 3y agoI'm surprised MentourPilot hasn't been mentioned yet. https://www.youtube.com/@MentourPilot https://www.youtube.com/@MentourPilot I also found this video on CFIT in General Aviation to be quite compelling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PBUVMCbmFQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PBUVMCbmFQ
- mulmen 3y agoMentourPilot doesn’t do timely deep-dives into specific events. Blancolirio and Pilot Debrief are basically general aviation news channels. MentourPilot covers generic (commercial) aviation concepts.
- litenboll 3y agoAll of the videos I have been watching from MentourPilot are about specific events/crashes.
- bragr 3y agoMentourPilot does good documentaries on historical crashes, but not so much breaking aviation news, i.e. covering small private plane crashes the day or week they happen. I definitely recommend all of the above
- CoastalCoder 3y agoYou might be confusing his two channels, "Mentour Pilot" and "Mentour Now!".
- mulmen 3y agoI don’t see any reporting on current aviation incidents on the Mentour Pilot channel. It’s all historical and has a commercial focus.
- brazzy 3y agoIf it doesn't have to be video, https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/ https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/ is also excellent.
- gosub100 3y agotwo I haven't seen mentioned are https://www.youtube.com/@AirSafetyInstitute https://www.youtube.com/@AirSafetyInstitute and https://www.youtube.com/@74gear https://www.youtube.com/@74gear The former is more into the science of air safety, they do case studies of crashes as well as go over technique, pitfalls, and pilot psychology. The latter is an active airline pilot, similar to mentourPilot just with a less refined and more relatable (to me at least) style. He does "reaction videos" - but in a good way - where he analyzes aircraft incidents from a perspective of a commercial pilot. And he regularly debunks ticktock misinformation.
- epolanski 3y agoCommercial airliners crash into mountains even with the ground proximity warning actually. Out of my memory, in Nepal alone all of the following happened despite ground proximity warning Tara Air 197 in 2022, Paki 268 and Thai 311 are some I can think of but I'm sure there's more. Problem is: even if GPW is activated pilots may not be trained correctly to handle the warning, they may distrust the warning due to it being active concurrently with other malfunctions, lack of spacial awareness, puzzlement/stress, etc.
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- justsomehnguy 3y ago> Commercial airliners crash into mountains even with the ground proximity warning actually. Yeah. Hearing ATC repeatedly calling in and receiving no response is a gut wrenching experience. And maybe I just watch way less news than two decades ago, but reporting of the air incidents is way lower, especially if it happened somewhere elsewhere.
- Someone 3y agohttps://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm https://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm shows the number of crashes with 19 or more fatalities about halved in the past two decades. The total number of fatalities also about halved in that time frame. I think those data points explain at least part of the lower reporting.
- eep_social 3y agoAnd the time series on that page aren’t normalized to number of passenger-miles flown, which had been increasing rapidly through 2019.
- epolanski 3y agoSure, air travel is safer than it has ever been. I was just pointing out that better warnings did not eliminate the problem entirely as the title seems to suggest.
- JKCalhoun 3y agoMy dad, in Alaska, calls them box canyons.
- smogcutter 3y agoBox canyon is a common term for a 3-sided canyon.
- samstave 3y agoDo planes in the arctic/antarctic experience much greater lift/fuel efficiency due to the temps?
- AYBABTME 3y agoSort of yes/it depends. Cold air is more dense, so performance is better.
- AYBABTME 3y agoI find it crazy that GA piston planes aren't using more modern engines with FADEC and turbo-charged as a matter of fact. The 1960s engine situation with GA planes is crazy to me. Having to care about carb ice, fuel mixture, and low performance ceilings in 2023 is mind boggling. Sure there's planes that have modern powerplants but they're expensive and plenty of new planes are built without any of this stuff included as a requirement for certification.
- snakeyjake 3y agoThe cost of certifying new engines is high, which discourages advancement. Even more discouraging is the extremely backwards way of thinking that the old farts in GA have. There is nothing that the barnacles who cling to the walls of the FBO hate more than change, and they're the ones buying stuff.
- AYBABTME 3y agoBut it's crazy that people die left and right like flies. The fricking SVP of the AOPA who was narrating videos on GA accident reviews... died in a GA accident 2 months ago. In other high risks sports, people tend to blame lack of skills over hardware failure for being the primary cause of accidents (scuba diving, climbing, sailing - all tend to blame improper skill over equipment). But in GA... very safety minded people like Richard McSpadden Jr. die _because_ of the hardware, as far as I'm concerned. It's a crazy situation.
- marcosdumay 3y agoAviation tends to refuse to blame accidents on skill alone. You can't compare it directly with other activities.
- nradov 3y agoI do a lot of scuba diving and have read many incident reports. While improper skills are usually the primary cause, equipment is usually a contributing factor. Not so much equipment failures but just bringing equipment that is poorly designed or unsuitable for the conditions. Most of that equipment selection problem can be traced back to poor quality instruction and conflicts of interest in the industry. Unlike flying, there is no legal licensing process for diving. Training is mostly handled by a few different private agencies which set course curricula and certify instructors. Some agencies have minimal quality standards and will give an instructor card to almost anyone. And then most training courses are run by dive shops which also sell equipment, so instructors are pressured to not criticize anything the shop sells even when it's total garbage.