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This is why nobody likes American car brands. The brands that make them cut corners and things like this happen. Teslas are the only American-made cars that are
by orenlindsey 3y ago
This is why nobody likes American car brands. The brands that make them cut corners and things like this happen. Teslas are the only American-made cars that are somewhat high-quality.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago>Tesla >High quality Pick one.
- KRAKRISMOTT 3y agoTheir software quality is best in class, rivaled only by other EV-only brands like Polestar and Rivian. The traditional manufacturers cannot compare at all.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoSure but you can't remotely OTA update chassis cracks or badly fitting body panels. For better or worse, bad SW can always be fixed later. Bad manufacturing can not, and software won't get you from A to B on its own.
- bigbillheck 3y agoI'd rather have bad software and wheels that don't fall off than the other way 'round.
- iancmceachern 3y agoTotally. Every so often the Bluetooth connection on my Scuon FR-S disconnects. I just turn the car off and back on, because its a stick it's easy and I can even do it while driving. No biggie. Other than that it's been super reliable. The perfect car.
- mulmen 3y ago> I just turn the car off and back on, because its a stick it's easy and I can even do it while driving. Please stop doing this. You don’t need Bluetooth to safely operate your car. You do need power steering and brakes.
- iancmceachern 3y agoYou actually don't. Many cars do not have either. In a car that weighs 2700 lbs wet they're not much more than luxuries.
- mulmen 3y agoPlease name a mass produced passenger car sold in North America in the last 30 years that doesn’t have power brakes. There aren’t “many” cars that fit that constraint and I’d be shocked if there are any at all. There might be a handful that don’t have power steering but even that’s going to be extremely uncommon. Does your Subaru have a steering lock? A quick search suggests it does. So you better hope you don’t hit a bump with the ignition off.
- iancmceachern 3y agoA car doesn't have to have been made in the last 30 years, that's arbitrary. Many cars and trucks from the 70s had manual steering and brakes, Ford F series, Jeep CJs, etc. My technique is to power cycle the car just long enough to reset the radio. Also, the steering lock is easily unlocked quickly using the key, it's not as if I take the key out of the ignition and throw it out the window. There are also 2 positions on my ignition, like most cars. You can turn off the engine while keeping the accessory power on. That matters in my case because my car has fully electric power steering. Many "hyper milers" do things like this. There is a almost 10 mile long section of I-70 that is a famous grade. You can coast the whole way down. I used to coast down the whole thing in my civic, others do too. Really any car that can be flat towed can be safely driven with the ignition off. You see people doing this all the time, towing a car with a tow strap and a person operating the steering and brakes in the under tow car.
- iancmceachern 3y agoThis may be true. But it's a car company.
- cyberax 3y ago[flagged]
- EthicalSimilar 3y agoI think many people would disagree that Tesla are high-quality, even “somewhat”.
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- LeoPanthera 3y ago> Teslas are the only American-made cars that are somewhat high-quality. As the owner of one, this is absolutely not the case. But I don't even think this is the biggest problem. It wouldn't matter so much if they'd just fix them when they break, but they don't. They go out of their way, and do everything possible to avoid fixing them, to the point of being rude. I hate it.
- tw04 3y agoThe mustang mach-e is infinitely higher build quality than anything Tesla makes. From body panel alignment to interior squeaks and rattles.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoWas gonna say the same. I'm not a Ford fan but out of all the American brands they have the best image of quality here in Europe. GM seems to just be trash everywhere.
- icelancer 3y agoDid you see the software update brick a Mach-E? https://twitter.com/danluu/status/1739387245034139692 https://twitter.com/danluu/status/1739387245034139692 That said, I've rented a Mach-E and its "self-driving" module is far, far superior to the Tesla. Hands-free, no wheel nudging, and a bar that watches your face/vision. Reminds me of comma.ai type work.
- vel0city 3y agoDid you see the software update brick a Tesla Model 3? https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/112oqln/new_tesla_model_3_bricked_after_update/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/112oqln/new_te... https://www.topspeed.com/real-story-behind-teslas-failed-ota-update/ https://www.topspeed.com/real-story-behind-teslas-failed-ota...
- cyberax 3y agoTo be fair, Tesla's software updates have been relatively robust, and they have quite a zoo of different car configurations. The article you quoted was a problem with an individual car.
- vel0city 3y agoSome people have filed a class action about updates breaking batteries so I doubt it's truly just one car. https://www.hbsslaw.com/cases/tesla-model-s-model-x-software-battery-drain https://www.hbsslaw.com/cases/tesla-model-s-model-x-software... And even with the argument of it's just an individual car, well, so is this Twitter post.
- Etheryte 3y ago"Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom" [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38760933 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38760933
- iancmceachern 3y agoIt's actually the exact opposite.
- fnordpiglet 3y agoDepends on the era and brand. The 1980’s was defined by corner cutting low quality and “buy American” marketing to compensate by playing on nationalism. In 2023 I think most brands have reversed that, but not all. They all, though, have rushed a higher margin EV product out hoping that magic happens over night and being surprised it actually takes time to build a new vehicle platform. Teslas advantage is many years of development without meaningful competition. The result is pretty crummy EVs, articles lamenting EVs are unreliable (rather than car makers are making unreliable EVs), etc. Except for Tesla, which are middle of the pack for reliability.
- iancmceachern 3y agoIt would be weird to compare an EV of today to any car of any other Era. It's safe to assume that we would be comparing cars of the same era.
- fnordpiglet 3y agoI’m comparing American auto manufacturer build quality in general across eras.
- iancmceachern 3y agoIndeed. And that's weird, because we cannot compare EV build quality across eras. And the parent comment was regarding comparing EVs to non EVs in regards to build quality. It's like we're comparing top grossing sports teams from 2023 and someone starts talking about how the 2023 Yankees could beat the 1912 Yankees hands down.