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I think obesity probably explains a lot of the cost difference which is why people are so excited about drugs like Ozempic. It may make financial sense for the

I think obesity probably explains a lot of the cost difference which is why people are so excited about drugs like Ozempic. It may make financial sense for the government to cover the cost for everyone since it could end up lowering overall healthcare costs by a significant amount.

ethanbond 3y ago
Surely food companies will just stand idly by as their revenues drop 20-30% Surely they wouldn’t figure out a way to produce even less nutritious, less satiating, more flavorful (and therefore calorically dense) foods, would they?
- wholinator2 3y ago
  Well i feel like that's only good up to a point right? We can legislate the extremely unhealthy stuff like we have started already. Public information campaigns are making more and more people vegetarian and vegan or at least some reduced-shit diet, healthy at every size and the fat acceptance movement fell flat on its face and was replaced with the much more healthy imaged body positivity movement. And what are they gonna do, make our chips literally dripping in bacon grease? Honestly might be better for us than the insane amounts of sugar they put in things these days. I hesitate to say this but, how much worse can it really get?
  - ethanbond 3y ago
    With hundreds of billions of dollars per year on the line? I’m certainly open to arguments as to how it can’t get worse, but that’s a pretty obscene incentive to make it worse.
  - Jensson 3y ago
    Removing food stamps and just giving people money instead is a good start. Poor people without food stamps are healthier than poor people with food stamps, so I don't see any reason to keep that system, it seems to just encourage poor people to buy too much junk food.
- matwood 3y ago
  No, but at some point there will be a reckoning just like with cigarettes and alcohol. Garbage food won't go away, but the individual and societal costs will eventually be recognized.
  - ethanbond 3y ago
    If we had pills you could take that would mitigate most of the downsides of cigarettes and alcohol, then no we wouldn’t. Then the question would be whether cigarette and alcohol manufacturers could innovate their way around those mitigations. I don’t know that’s possible with cigarettes, alcohol, or food, but food especially it seems very possible. Also cigarettes and alcohol don’t crowd out healthier alternatives on retail shelves the way that unhealthy foods crowd out healthier ones.
skeeter2020 3y ago
Ozempic: a drug that you need to take forever. Not sure how spending even more on new designer drugs will reduce the overall problem
- azan_ 3y ago
  Drugs for complications of obesity (including type 2 diabetes) also need to be taken forever.
- matwood 3y ago
  People already take all sorts of drugs forever, and it's only designer today. There are other similar drugs in development, so cost will come down. Drugs like Ozempic don't just work on obesity, but they look like they may also work on addiction in general. There's also the second order healthcare costs of obesity that people don't think about - knee replacements for example. I think you're underestimating how much money would be saved in healthcare by reducing obesity rates.

ethanbond 3y ago

Surely food companies will just stand idly by as their revenues drop 20-30% Surely they wouldn’t figure out a way to produce even less nutritious, less satiating, more flavorful (and therefore calorically dense) foods, would they?

wholinator2 3y ago
Well i feel like that's only good up to a point right? We can legislate the extremely unhealthy stuff like we have started already. Public information campaigns are making more and more people vegetarian and vegan or at least some reduced-shit diet, healthy at every size and the fat acceptance movement fell flat on its face and was replaced with the much more healthy imaged body positivity movement. And what are they gonna do, make our chips literally dripping in bacon grease? Honestly might be better for us than the insane amounts of sugar they put in things these days. I hesitate to say this but, how much worse can it really get?
- ethanbond 3y ago
  With hundreds of billions of dollars per year on the line? I’m certainly open to arguments as to how it can’t get worse, but that’s a pretty obscene incentive to make it worse.
- Jensson 3y ago
  Removing food stamps and just giving people money instead is a good start. Poor people without food stamps are healthier than poor people with food stamps, so I don't see any reason to keep that system, it seems to just encourage poor people to buy too much junk food.
matwood 3y ago
No, but at some point there will be a reckoning just like with cigarettes and alcohol. Garbage food won't go away, but the individual and societal costs will eventually be recognized.
- ethanbond 3y ago
  If we had pills you could take that would mitigate most of the downsides of cigarettes and alcohol, then no we wouldn’t. Then the question would be whether cigarette and alcohol manufacturers could innovate their way around those mitigations. I don’t know that’s possible with cigarettes, alcohol, or food, but food especially it seems very possible. Also cigarettes and alcohol don’t crowd out healthier alternatives on retail shelves the way that unhealthy foods crowd out healthier ones.

skeeter2020 3y ago

Ozempic: a drug that you need to take forever. Not sure how spending even more on new designer drugs will reduce the overall problem

azan_ 3y ago
Drugs for complications of obesity (including type 2 diabetes) also need to be taken forever.
matwood 3y ago
People already take all sorts of drugs forever, and it's only designer today. There are other similar drugs in development, so cost will come down. Drugs like Ozempic don't just work on obesity, but they look like they may also work on addiction in general. There's also the second order healthcare costs of obesity that people don't think about - knee replacements for example. I think you're underestimating how much money would be saved in healthcare by reducing obesity rates.