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We should either stop calling these recalls, or news sites should announce iOS and Android updates in a similar manner also > Apple is recalling 45 Brazilion
by not_your_vase 3y ago
We should either stop calling these recalls, or news sites should announce iOS and Android updates in a similar manner also
> Apple is recalling 45 Brazilion iPhones and iPads to fix software flaw
- spacecadet 3y agoZinger! Not the same.
- izacus 3y agoNah mate, fixing your cat photos app is not the same thing as fixing software that killed people.
- 4ad 3y agoFrom a user experience perspective it is exactly the same. The user doesn't have to send their hardware away.
- izacus 3y agoIt actually isn't - hence the "filing". Tesla needs to notify people to update their software, even those that don't have wifi or 4G available for updates for whatever reason.
- guil177 3y agoPhones hold sensitive datas, banking stuffs. I never heard about recall when a security flaw is fixed on a phone by a software update.
- brightball 3y agoDid it kill people?
- isodev 3y agoYup
- windexh8er 3y agoFrom this article [0] in October of 2023"...Autopilot have been involved in more than 700 crashes, at least 19 of them fatal, since its introduction in 2014..." [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/tesla-autopilot-crash-analysis/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/t...
- mavhc 3y agoInvolvement doesn't mean caused. Also how many lives has it saved?
- mensetmanusman 3y agoWith everyone on their phones now while driving, I wonder if cat photos have killed more.
- keep_reading 3y agoPretty sure Instagram thots and memes have killed more than Teslas. I'd bet a lot of money on that.
- izacus 3y agoFortunately, cats usually aren't given control over a steering wheel :) Tesla software is.
- Robotbeat 3y agoSince autopilot is used on a substantial fraction (one third?) of miles driven by Teslas, this is another way of saying that Teslas are not yet invincible to crashes.
- mackman 3y agoIf the FCC mandated Apple deploy an update to reduce phones catching fire then yes, I would use the term recall. For bugs that don’t fall into the safety or regulatory compliance category I would not.
- gwd 3y agoBut "recall" means "calling back"; normally it means having to actually send a physical replacement. Consider three possible problems with autopilot: 1. There's a structural issue that affects camera systems which can't be fixed in a shop; for instance, something which may cause the camera to come loose which results in blind spots, that's due to the structural issue of the car itself. Tesla has to replace 2 million customer's actual cars, destroying the old ones (or perhaps selling them as "refurb but no autopilot"). 2. There's an issue that affects camera systems which can be fixed in a shop; Tesla has to pay for repairs for 2 million cars. 3. There's an issue which affects Autopilot which can be fixed in software. They push an over-the-air update automatically and everyone is fine. These each have very different properties in terms of costs to Tesla and hassle for owners; so it makes sense that there be a different word for them. "Recall" literally means "call back"; I'd argue for only using it in the case of #1.
- Notatheist 3y ago>But "recall" means "calling back"; Writing means to carve but you wrote this post without a metal stick and a hammer. >hassle for owners "Recall" is used to signify the severity of the flaw not the inconvenience fixing it caused owners. I feel "software update" doesn't do it justice at all and "recall" is appropriate.
- brookst 3y agoJust like “bit” is a term of art in computer science that means something different than “bit” in vernacular language, “recall” has a specific meaning in the automotive industry. A recall is a mandatory fix that the manufacturer is obligated to provide at no charge and to proactively notify customers of. It comes with reporting obligations and long term warranty implications. It might be that industries should not reuse common words, but IMO it’s a little silly to insist that they only use the most literal and etymologically correct terms for each individual action rather than defining categories that have clear meanings even if a specific action doesn’t perfectly match the most literal reading of the name of the category.
- mrtksn 3y agoI actually like the idea, it should be called recall when it's about fixing a bug affecting the function or security of the device. I know a lot of people who don't update their phones because they believe it's getting slower and their battery degrades faster. In some cases, they might be right because when new futures are added the device can indeed become slower. It would be nice if we can get fixes and security updates, without adding any new functionality so we can preserve the original workload of the device. I would love to have my iPhone 4s running iOS 6, just secured enough, so I can use it the way it was when I purchased it(I wouldn't care much if Apple services don't work anymore). Sure, Apple does security only updates for old phones but I actually would like to have the option to do this on the current phones too.
- obtino 3y agoTesla shouldn't call their driver assist system "Autopilot" either, but here we are.
- Closi 3y agoBy the same logic you could say that airplanes shouldn't call their pilot assist system "Autopilot" either, because it requires monitoring and input from pilots who will need to disengage the system and intervene/fly manually in certain scenarios. Autopilot is probably actually quite a good term for it if you actually compare it to a plane Autopilot - you don't expect pilots to be inattentive or away from the controls, and you expect them to intervene in certain scenarios and disengage autopilot if there is danger.
- xorcist 3y agoAirplane autopilots are something else. You are not allowed to use an autopilot unless you have training and a license for it.
- sshine 3y agoYes, I think if we want to be clear about whether you can legally fall asleep, or not be present at all, while driving, we need to be more explicit about the FSD level.
- fundatus 3y agoNot comparable at all. Airplanes are flown by trained professionals who know exactly what Autopilot can and cannot do. Regular consumers don't know these differences though and Tesla deliberately uses this ambiguity to deceive their own customers, who expect a "fully self driving" car.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoAs, but both sets are trained to different levels on a sliding scale. Shades of grey make language complicated.
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- throw310822 3y agoIf FSD worked as advertised, they could "recall" the cars by issuing a command from the factory, and thousands of cars would turn on by themselves, find their way out of the family garage, and drive away in the night! To the nearest shop or, if a sufficient level of AI was reached, to freedom, never to be seen again.
- henriquez 3y agoI’d pay $15k for that
- B1FF_PSUVM 3y agoIt's all fun and games until the herd of feral Teslas, on their way to the rumored great powerwall by the solar farm, shows up to feed on your power meter.
- jacquesm 3y agoThe term recall is a term commonly used in the industry to denote a safety related situation that needs mandatory and free remedy. It is not used in the context of your average update that might give you new eye candy or features, it is just for safety related issues and usually at the behest of a regulator (though a manufacturer can decide to do a voluntary recall to avoid the regulators stepping in).
- mensetmanusman 3y agoSimply call them software recalls.
- tptacek 3y agoThis is simply what it's called when car companies do these kinds of fixes. Nobody is singling Tesla out here.
- palemoonale 3y agoA recall has a specific, legal / liability definition, regardless how it is logistically being adressed. Hint: Not everything is SV-like "we'll fix it in production"...
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- jjav 3y ago> We should either stop calling these recalls "Recall" has a regulatory definition, so this is that.