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I'm sure the marketing for legalized Meth will be more responsible (just like it is for everything else that isn't good for us). What is the compulsion to find

by boh 3y ago

I'm sure the marketing for legalized Meth will be more responsible (just like it is for everything else that isn't good for us). What is the compulsion to find some tiny fragment of an argument to go against the obvious? Maybe it's because you'd need an absolutely idealized scenario to take legalizing drug use seriously. You know those countries that legalized drugs? Feel free to look up how well that's going.

overgard 3y ago
Well, legalized meth is essentially ritalin/adderall (not exactly the same thing, but same class)
- boh 3y ago
  Thankfully those have posed absolutely zero problems so I guess we should legalize meth.
  - overgard 3y ago
    I didn't say that, just pointing out that a lot of these illegal drugs have already legal analogs that are quite similar in chemical composition. (If I were to make an argument here, it'd be more along the lines that we're overdiagnosing ADHD and overprescribing stimulants)
- nathanasmith 3y ago
  If you had any experience with this at all you would realize how profoundly ignorant it is to conflate the downstream effects of meth with adderall. Anyone reading this please please do not make this mistake.
  - overgard 3y ago
    I know some people that are (former) meth addicts, and you know where they got their start? I'll give you a hint, it happened when the doctors stopped prescribing their ADHD meds or they wanted a higher dose. Just sayin'
Dylan16807 3y ago
> I'm sure the marketing for legalized Meth will be more responsible Doctors already know how those work, and we don't have to allow marketing them.
- boh 3y ago
  We should stop all the current Meth marketing...that'll solve the addiction problem for sure. What are all these scenarios where policy makers have absolute control of how drugs are sold and consumed? Meth is illegal, as in we don't allow "marketing" today. But if it was legal, it'll only be the marketing that will be the potential problem? What is the point of these arguments? The low enforcement/legalization options have been tried in various places in various ways, not one has gone well. Besides magical thinking, what is the actual argument that legalizing drugs makes it less of a problem?
- nradov 3y ago
  Marketing of legal prescription drugs can be restricted in certain ways, but it has to be allowed unless we modify the First Amendment. Freedom of expression is a fundamental right and can't be casually eliminated just because we don't like the results.
  - boh 3y ago
    Marketing is restricted, regulated and outright banned for a number of products and services.
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    Is that the overwhelming opinion of legal scholars? I think I would be just fine with a change like that. If sales of a product can be restricted, why should advertising for that product need to be unrestricted? It doesn't feel to me like advertising is more of a fundamental right than engaging in sales.
  - amluto 3y ago
    Advertisements for prescription drugs are very heavily restricted in the US. And, as far as I know, companies selling prescription drugs may not encourage doctors to use them arbitrarily. I don’t know whether anyone has ever tested the constitutionality of the relevant laws and regulations, but they exist and are enforced.
amluto 3y ago
You seem to be entirely missing my point. Methamphetamine, like oxycodone, is legal, right now, in the US. Here it is: https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2017/005378s034lbl.pdf https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2017/00... I don’t, and never have, seen posters in doctors’ offices suggesting that patients get ahead of their symptoms (of hunger? sleepiness? distraction?) by taking prescription meth. And I’ve never heard any suggestion that the high incidence of methamphetamine is caused by its legality.

by boh 3y ago

overgard 3y ago

Well, legalized meth is essentially ritalin/adderall (not exactly the same thing, but same class)

boh 3y ago
Thankfully those have posed absolutely zero problems so I guess we should legalize meth.
- overgard 3y ago
  I didn't say that, just pointing out that a lot of these illegal drugs have already legal analogs that are quite similar in chemical composition. (If I were to make an argument here, it'd be more along the lines that we're overdiagnosing ADHD and overprescribing stimulants)
nathanasmith 3y ago
If you had any experience with this at all you would realize how profoundly ignorant it is to conflate the downstream effects of meth with adderall. Anyone reading this please please do not make this mistake.
- overgard 3y ago
  I know some people that are (former) meth addicts, and you know where they got their start? I'll give you a hint, it happened when the doctors stopped prescribing their ADHD meds or they wanted a higher dose. Just sayin'

Dylan16807 3y ago

> I'm sure the marketing for legalized Meth will be more responsible Doctors already know how those work, and we don't have to allow marketing them.

boh 3y ago
We should stop all the current Meth marketing...that'll solve the addiction problem for sure. What are all these scenarios where policy makers have absolute control of how drugs are sold and consumed? Meth is illegal, as in we don't allow "marketing" today. But if it was legal, it'll only be the marketing that will be the potential problem? What is the point of these arguments? The low enforcement/legalization options have been tried in various places in various ways, not one has gone well. Besides magical thinking, what is the actual argument that legalizing drugs makes it less of a problem?
nradov 3y ago
Marketing of legal prescription drugs can be restricted in certain ways, but it has to be allowed unless we modify the First Amendment. Freedom of expression is a fundamental right and can't be casually eliminated just because we don't like the results.
- boh 3y ago
  Marketing is restricted, regulated and outright banned for a number of products and services.
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  Is that the overwhelming opinion of legal scholars? I think I would be just fine with a change like that. If sales of a product can be restricted, why should advertising for that product need to be unrestricted? It doesn't feel to me like advertising is more of a fundamental right than engaging in sales.
- amluto 3y ago
  Advertisements for prescription drugs are very heavily restricted in the US. And, as far as I know, companies selling prescription drugs may not encourage doctors to use them arbitrarily. I don’t know whether anyone has ever tested the constitutionality of the relevant laws and regulations, but they exist and are enforced.

amluto 3y ago

You seem to be entirely missing my point. Methamphetamine, like oxycodone, is legal, right now, in the US. Here it is: https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2017/005378s034lbl.pdf https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2017/00... I don’t, and never have, seen posters in doctors’ offices suggesting that patients get ahead of their symptoms (of hunger? sleepiness? distraction?) by taking prescription meth. And I’ve never heard any suggestion that the high incidence of methamphetamine is caused by its legality.