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Tesla Model Y 2nd in new vehicle registrations in the US, overtaking Toyota RAV4

51 points by grecy 3y ago

pierat 3y ago
I would never buy a Tesla. Or for that matter, I've made a point to stay away from Musk's anything. --------------------- Ive seen engineer reports from Tesla. https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-tesla-employees-reveal-the-worst-parts-of-working-there-2019-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-tesla-employees-reveal-th... And really, forced reboots while driving on the highway??? And I thought MS was bad. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/a-system-reboot-occurred-while-driving.267362/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/a-system-reboot-occu... --------------------- I've seen the injury reports from SpaceX. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/spacex-musk-safety/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/spacex-m... --------------------- Starlink is the least-troubled, but still launched without full permission. And is causing havoc with astronomers. https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites-megaconstellation-surprise-astronomers.html https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites-megaconstel... --------------------- Xwitter needs no comment. --------------------- I have absolutely no trust in anything Musk touches.
- LewisVerstappen 3y ago
  > I have absolutely no trust in anything Musk touches. Yes, HN & Redditors have made their views extremely clear. Just don't be surprised when the rest of the world disagrees.
  - kelnos 3y ago
    I don't think it's a matter of disagreement. Just a combination of a) most people don't follow Musk's shenanigans that closely, and/or b) most people are not that principled about what they buy, and just want a car they think is good.
    - DennisP 3y ago
      Or maybe people have different principles than you.
      - pierat 3y ago
        My decisions are based on: 1. Engineering from inside the orgs 2. Treatment of workers in said orgs 3. Treatment of customers 4. Capriciousness of their CEO. It's not just 1 thing. It's a whole slee of problems that coalesce into something I look at as a massive liability.
        DennisP 3y ago
        So fine, those are your principles. Doesn't change my point at all.
  - chron7300j 3y ago
    > Just don't be surprised when the rest of the world disagrees You should buy more TSLA stock. If not, why not? You don’t trust Elon? Here’s a tip: Tesla is massively underperforming and missing delivery estimates for Q4 2023. It’s mostly due to the economy, but it’s also true the competition is actually here.
- danans 3y ago
  > I have absolutely no trust in anything Musk touches. The other side of the great-man fallacy is the fallacy of attributing all of the problems with their works to them. If you look at 1) the near religious following of Tesla enthusiasts for the company's brand, 2) the inherent superiority of electric vehicles over ICE vehicles for the vast majority of everyday use cases, and 3) until very recently no real alternatives, it's not surprising that Tesla was able/willing to cut corners on aspects of quality. I also would never buy a vehicle from them either. I specifically waited until a good EV alternative to them was available in my price range. The faux-dystopian-bro turn they've taken with the Cybertruck is a cynical play on people's current insecurities, and Musk's recent revealing of his inner thought processes lines up pretty well with my long held impressions of him. I also think it's pretty unwise to have them be the sole domestic provider of manned space-launch. Despite all that, given their current position most of his companies are acting rationally in their choices. It's up to his competitors or government to put pressure to change the situation. Arguably the government has stepped up in the EV space by providing a lot of incentives. The situation at Twitter on the other hand does seem to be the most direct reflection of Musk's personality and state of mind. There's very little rational about what he's doing with it (much like his original purchase of it for an inflated price).
- inemesitaffia 3y ago
  Everything here is false. Everything
- Skunkleton 3y ago
  I don't have a Tesla, largely because I don't trust them due to all of the hype. Hype which is largely driven directly by Musk. That said, they are good cars for a lot of people and the sales numbers reflect that. Are you saying that because you don't think Musk is trustworthy, others shouldn't be buying these cars?
- user568439 3y ago
  I agree but at least Tesla is making us all a favor by pushing innovation and lower prices to the rest of carmakers. If it was for the old players we would still be with hybrids like Prius or electrics with short range and highly decaying battery like the Nissan Leaf.
- superduty 3y ago
  Did you stomp your feet as you typed out your tantrum? Read some Blind posts about <insert random tech company name here>. Have you spent any time in a Lucid or Lightning? Both have had their share of issues with the infotainment and info centers restarting or freezing. And the Hyundais. And the Escalade. There’s a reason vehicle controls systems are not affected by the info display systems. Reuters..lol.
lern_too_spel 3y ago
No login: https://nitter.net/sawyermerritt/status/1733178375353618758 https://nitter.net/sawyermerritt/status/1733178375353618758
ChumpGPT 3y ago
Discounts and Tax Credits.....
ArtTimeInvestor 3y ago
It is also the best-selling car worldwide: https://www.greencars.com/news/the-tesla-model-y-is-the-best-selling-car-in-the-world https://www.greencars.com/news/the-tesla-model-y-is-the-best... And I think Tesla is destined to expand their lead. Tesla is the only car company that pushes hard to be a software company. Musk correctly said that the future of Tesla mostly relies on how fast it achieves full self-driving without human intervention. Buying any other car feels archaic. As a Tesla is the only car that gets better every few months via over the air updates.
- chron7300j 3y ago
  > As a Tesla is the only car that gets better every few months via over the air updates. I’m still waiting for the suspension, road/wind noise, and AUTO WIPERS, to be fixed via software update. Model S Plaid, by the way.
  - pokerhobo 3y ago
    The newer 3/Y already addresses both suspension and noise. Not the refreshed 3, the one prior.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - moogly 3y ago
      > the only car that gets better every few months via over the air updates
- bin_bash 3y ago
  That was not my experience in owning one. Ours regularly had issues. The seat belt broke. It always smelled bad due to some ventilation design issue they could never fix. The rear taillight went out multiple times. The spoiler fell off in a car wash. "Better every few months"—yeah right.
  - 3y ago
tapoxi 3y ago
As someone that does mostly city driving and is the perfect use case for an EV, I've avoided Tesla because I don't want anyone thinking I support Musk. The man has done significant damage to the brand. That and I really hate the lack of tactile buttons in those cars, and their love for a clearly unsafe "full self driving" solution
- TMWNN 3y ago
  >As someone that does mostly city driving and is the perfect use case for an EV, I've avoided Tesla because I don't want anyone thinking I support Musk. I saw a good description (on /r/4chan, no less) of you: People who constantly check in on each other to see what the latest things are to embrace/avoid. What a miserable way to live.
- Racing0461 3y ago
  > hate the lack of tactile buttons in those cars This is one thing these new generation of "ipad only" cars gets completely wrong. We should be building these interfaces the same way NASA built the mars rover instead of building them like another left-pad nodejs electron app. The feedback should be immediate without lag like an actual button. I however don't really need it to be tactile.
- jnsaff2 3y ago
  While I can understand your first and last points the tactile button thing is not a thing. For the important things there are tactile buttons, the rest works really well in practice. To the point where I now feel a bit attacked by sea of buttons when I get into a modern non-Tesla.
  - SkyPuncher 3y ago
    The model Y I got into had essentially no buttons. I appreciate the minimalism, but would prefer some basic button. The flip side is most functions are on 2 levels deep in the UI. Makes it very easy to navigate.
    - 3y ago
User23 3y ago
It’s going to be hilarious when Elon starts deplatforming executives that boycott X ads from Tesla.
nixass 3y ago
Tesla is a car for people who know nothing about cars and are easily impressed by buzzwords they can then use over a drink with friends. They were driving 2000 Kia and now suddenly they parrot Musk's words and have no idea about anything they just said.
notyofriend 3y ago
Being able to cut out the dealer allows you to under cut your competitors by 2-5K. It’s extremely hard to compete with that. Other manufacturers need to take notice and follow suit.
foogazi 3y ago
With the rebate this year I was considering it, but after a test drive I didn’t like the screen only interface and lack of Android Auto, Car Play

51 points by grecy 3y ago

I would never buy a Tesla. Or for that matter, I've made a point to stay away from Musk's anything. --------------------- Ive seen engineer reports from Tesla. https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-tesla-employees-reveal-the-worst-parts-of-working-there-2019-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/ex-tesla-employees-reveal-th... And really, forced reboots while driving on the highway??? And I thought MS was bad. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/a-system-reboot-occurred-while-driving.267362/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/a-system-reboot-occu... --------------------- I've seen the injury reports from SpaceX. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/spacex-musk-safety/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/spacex-m... --------------------- Starlink is the least-troubled, but still launched without full permission. And is causing havoc with astronomers. https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites-megaconstellation-surprise-astronomers.html https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites-megaconstel... --------------------- Xwitter needs no comment. --------------------- I have absolutely no trust in anything Musk touches.

LewisVerstappen 3y ago
> I have absolutely no trust in anything Musk touches. Yes, HN & Redditors have made their views extremely clear. Just don't be surprised when the rest of the world disagrees.
- kelnos 3y ago
  I don't think it's a matter of disagreement. Just a combination of a) most people don't follow Musk's shenanigans that closely, and/or b) most people are not that principled about what they buy, and just want a car they think is good.
  - DennisP 3y ago
    Or maybe people have different principles than you.
    - pierat 3y ago
      My decisions are based on: 1. Engineering from inside the orgs 2. Treatment of workers in said orgs 3. Treatment of customers 4. Capriciousness of their CEO. It's not just 1 thing. It's a whole slee of problems that coalesce into something I look at as a massive liability.
      - DennisP 3y ago
        So fine, those are your principles. Doesn't change my point at all.
- chron7300j 3y ago
  > Just don't be surprised when the rest of the world disagrees You should buy more TSLA stock. If not, why not? You don’t trust Elon? Here’s a tip: Tesla is massively underperforming and missing delivery estimates for Q4 2023. It’s mostly due to the economy, but it’s also true the competition is actually here.
danans 3y ago
> I have absolutely no trust in anything Musk touches. The other side of the great-man fallacy is the fallacy of attributing all of the problems with their works to them. If you look at 1) the near religious following of Tesla enthusiasts for the company's brand, 2) the inherent superiority of electric vehicles over ICE vehicles for the vast majority of everyday use cases, and 3) until very recently no real alternatives, it's not surprising that Tesla was able/willing to cut corners on aspects of quality. I also would never buy a vehicle from them either. I specifically waited until a good EV alternative to them was available in my price range. The faux-dystopian-bro turn they've taken with the Cybertruck is a cynical play on people's current insecurities, and Musk's recent revealing of his inner thought processes lines up pretty well with my long held impressions of him. I also think it's pretty unwise to have them be the sole domestic provider of manned space-launch. Despite all that, given their current position most of his companies are acting rationally in their choices. It's up to his competitors or government to put pressure to change the situation. Arguably the government has stepped up in the EV space by providing a lot of incentives. The situation at Twitter on the other hand does seem to be the most direct reflection of Musk's personality and state of mind. There's very little rational about what he's doing with it (much like his original purchase of it for an inflated price).
inemesitaffia 3y ago
Everything here is false. Everything
Skunkleton 3y ago
I don't have a Tesla, largely because I don't trust them due to all of the hype. Hype which is largely driven directly by Musk. That said, they are good cars for a lot of people and the sales numbers reflect that. Are you saying that because you don't think Musk is trustworthy, others shouldn't be buying these cars?
user568439 3y ago
I agree but at least Tesla is making us all a favor by pushing innovation and lower prices to the rest of carmakers. If it was for the old players we would still be with hybrids like Prius or electrics with short range and highly decaying battery like the Nissan Leaf.
superduty 3y ago
Did you stomp your feet as you typed out your tantrum? Read some Blind posts about <insert random tech company name here>. Have you spent any time in a Lucid or Lightning? Both have had their share of issues with the infotainment and info centers restarting or freezing. And the Hyundais. And the Escalade. There’s a reason vehicle controls systems are not affected by the info display systems. Reuters..lol.

lern_too_spel 3y ago

No login: https://nitter.net/sawyermerritt/status/1733178375353618758 https://nitter.net/sawyermerritt/status/1733178375353618758

ChumpGPT 3y ago

Discounts and Tax Credits.....

ArtTimeInvestor 3y ago

It is also the best-selling car worldwide: https://www.greencars.com/news/the-tesla-model-y-is-the-best-selling-car-in-the-world https://www.greencars.com/news/the-tesla-model-y-is-the-best... And I think Tesla is destined to expand their lead. Tesla is the only car company that pushes hard to be a software company. Musk correctly said that the future of Tesla mostly relies on how fast it achieves full self-driving without human intervention. Buying any other car feels archaic. As a Tesla is the only car that gets better every few months via over the air updates.

chron7300j 3y ago
> As a Tesla is the only car that gets better every few months via over the air updates. I’m still waiting for the suspension, road/wind noise, and AUTO WIPERS, to be fixed via software update. Model S Plaid, by the way.
- pokerhobo 3y ago
  The newer 3/Y already addresses both suspension and noise. Not the refreshed 3, the one prior.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - moogly 3y ago
    > the only car that gets better every few months via over the air updates
bin_bash 3y ago
That was not my experience in owning one. Ours regularly had issues. The seat belt broke. It always smelled bad due to some ventilation design issue they could never fix. The rear taillight went out multiple times. The spoiler fell off in a car wash. "Better every few months"—yeah right.
- 3y ago

tapoxi 3y ago

As someone that does mostly city driving and is the perfect use case for an EV, I've avoided Tesla because I don't want anyone thinking I support Musk. The man has done significant damage to the brand. That and I really hate the lack of tactile buttons in those cars, and their love for a clearly unsafe "full self driving" solution

TMWNN 3y ago
>As someone that does mostly city driving and is the perfect use case for an EV, I've avoided Tesla because I don't want anyone thinking I support Musk. I saw a good description (on /r/4chan, no less) of you: People who constantly check in on each other to see what the latest things are to embrace/avoid. What a miserable way to live.
Racing0461 3y ago
> hate the lack of tactile buttons in those cars This is one thing these new generation of "ipad only" cars gets completely wrong. We should be building these interfaces the same way NASA built the mars rover instead of building them like another left-pad nodejs electron app. The feedback should be immediate without lag like an actual button. I however don't really need it to be tactile.
jnsaff2 3y ago
While I can understand your first and last points the tactile button thing is not a thing. For the important things there are tactile buttons, the rest works really well in practice. To the point where I now feel a bit attacked by sea of buttons when I get into a modern non-Tesla.
- SkyPuncher 3y ago
  The model Y I got into had essentially no buttons. I appreciate the minimalism, but would prefer some basic button. The flip side is most functions are on 2 levels deep in the UI. Makes it very easy to navigate.
  - 3y ago

User23 3y ago

It’s going to be hilarious when Elon starts deplatforming executives that boycott X ads from Tesla.

nixass 3y ago

Tesla is a car for people who know nothing about cars and are easily impressed by buzzwords they can then use over a drink with friends. They were driving 2000 Kia and now suddenly they parrot Musk's words and have no idea about anything they just said.

notyofriend 3y ago

Being able to cut out the dealer allows you to under cut your competitors by 2-5K. It’s extremely hard to compete with that. Other manufacturers need to take notice and follow suit.

foogazi 3y ago

With the rebate this year I was considering it, but after a test drive I didn’t like the screen only interface and lack of Android Auto, Car Play