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In this case it’s clearly immoral however, as the stakes for the pirate are so incredibly low.
by WendyTheWillow 3y ago
In this case it’s clearly immoral however, as the stakes for the pirate are so incredibly low.
- alpaca128 3y agoStakes have nothing to do with morality
- andybak 3y ago"clearly"... That's the bit we're disputing. It's not "clear" and it's not "obvious".
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoThen dispute it. I’m claiming it is, and giving lots of reasons. Plenty of angles to approach this, for you.
- andybak 3y agoI did in my other comment.
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoThen why make two?
- Juliate 3y agoA more specific, practical and workable discussion than questioning the morality of it is on the perspective of how (and why) the law should balance, in the short and in the long term those interests that should be converging: artists, general public, production/distribution/rights management companies.
- JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 3y ago> clearly immoral I hope you do realize that it’s your own opinion.
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoNope, it is my conclusion based on a set of priors we almost certainly share.
- orwin 3y agoI'm not for or against but: First, I never violated a license agreement I signed by buying a product. Also, my moral isn't yours, clearly. In my mind, sharing information is moral, withholding it is immoral. I think there is degree to this (clearly a State, or government officials, or state agents withholding non-vital information is extremely immoral, whereas it's less immoral to do so for a company), but clearly, I think of proprietary code, unshared patents and copyright of a song or artistic creation immoral.
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoNobody is talking about a license agreement, that’s not what the social contract is. And you very clearly benefit from all those things you claim are immoral, and the systems that brought them about, so I find myself skeptical to your claim they’re bad. It seems more like you disapprove of your inability to satisfy your sense of entitlement. After all, if you dislike these concepts so much, why do you want the very things they’ve produced?
- orwin 3y agoWhat? Sorry I think I wasn't very good expressing my opinion, art is different than it's support. Hopefully my comment on your sibling comment will clarify. Listen, the only social contract I have is respecting the laws of my country, and the contracts I agreed to sign. No laws in my country prevents me from downloading whatever piece of art or content I want. None. I just cannot share it outside of friends and family. Which I don't. Also, I think I've download 3 pieces I didn't have a license for: Skyrim, Mass effect 1 and 2. I now own them all on steam. So my sense of entitlement is great, thank you. I was never into TV or movies, and my father digitalized his 500 CDs and probably trice that number from the public library, so even early 2010s when I was a broke student, I never had to find download links for the music I wanted to listen at the time (now I find out that this isn't enough and just download the music from YouTube).
- geraldwhen 3y agoDiscovery recently deleted any already purchased shows and series on PlayStation without a refund. It is not immoral to download content illegally when the alternative is a revocable digital token being sold fraudulently.
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoExcept that is not the alternative, is it? Couldn’t you just not watch the show?
- wolfendin 3y agoBut I paid to be able to watch the show. Sony made a deliberate action to deprive me of that ability, should I not be made whole?
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoMaybe, but that’s not for you to arbitrarily decide on your own.
- justinclift 3y agoSo, instead of "arbitrarily" deciding that on their own... how should they decide that "properly"? By officially asking for new Terms of Service maybe?
- itsboring 3y agoProbably a multi-year class action suit where everyone who got screwed over eventually gets $0.79 for their troubles while lawyers on both sides get a fat payday for creating exactly nothing. That’s what this precious “social contract” gets you, and I piss on it.
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoLaw suit, but generally arbitration of some kind (the conceptual kind, not the legal term). Part of the social contract is that we don't resolve our own disputes beyond a certain level of seriousness, we allow neutral third parties to do so. Otherwise we'd have fights in the streets and mob justice.
- wolfendin 3y agoGiven how much I’ve had to scroll through this thread to get to this comment, it’s evidently not clear at all.