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Meta's new AI image generator was trained on 1.1B Instagram and FB photos
- quijoteuniv 3y ago[flagged]
- FpUser 3y agoCanada. It asked me to create Meta account only to tell me that it is "not available in your region". Fuck you Meta and fuck you Zukerberg.
- TheCoreh 3y ago“Not available in your location Imagine with Meta Al isn't available in your location yet. You can learn more about Al at Meta in the meantime and try again soon.” I wonder why it's region-locked?
- philipov 3y agoWhich region is locked? That might give a clue.
- avallach 3y agoI got the same from the Netherlands
- RowanH 3y agoNew Zealand is locked out. (Normally we get first dibs on things being a small test market)
- K5EiS 3y agoNorway is blocked, so probably some GDPR issues.
- fallensatan 3y agoCanada seems to be locked out as well.
- philipov 3y agoIs there anyone outside the US that isn't locked out, or was this a US-only release? Could this possibly have to do with the sanctions on China?
- TheCoreh 3y agoBrazil. So it's unlikely to be GDPR-related, unless they're also treating our LGPD as a special case.
- triggerhappy77 3y agoMe to Meta: Please let me in(dia), we are locked out too
- lxgr 3y agoMeta's AI stickers also only seem to be available in the US for now (or at least not in WhatsApp in the EU).
- mvdtnz 3y agoAI stickers are in my region (not USA) but imagine is not.
- xnx 3y agoLink to tool: https://imagine.meta.com/ https://imagine.meta.com/ One of many AI updates from Meta yesterday: https://about.fb.com/news/2023/12/meta-ai-updates/#:~:text=Experience%20Imagine%20With%20Meta%20AI https://about.fb.com/news/2023/12/meta-ai-updates/#:~:text=E...
- floathub 3y agoNote that you need to "Log On" to Facebook/Meta/WhateverTheyCallThemselvesNow to try it. Kind of curious, but not curious enough to create yet another burner Facebook account. [edit: still learning to spell]
- theonlybutlet 3y agoThanks I should've read your post before opening the link and promptly having to close it.
- vsnf 3y agoHow are you guys even making burner facebook accounts? Every time I try (though granted, I haven't tried since 2016), I get stymied by a hard phone number requirement.
- ruszki 3y agoYou can get a phone number in almost every country relatively cheaply. I used one of such service (I think it was Numero or something) to order from CVS because I live in Europe and they need an American phone number (and American bank card, but that’s another story).
- misja111 3y ago"Not available in your location yet" (Switzerland)
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> "Not available in your location yet" (Switzerland) Have the GDPR questions around data provenance been resolved? I thought EU/EEA is currently off limits for publicly- or user-data-trained AI.
- cowboyscott 3y agoIs training with user-generated content a way to launder copyrighted images? That is, if I upload an image of Ironman or whatever to my Facebook or Instagram page as a public post and Meta trains their model on that data, is there wording in my user agreement that says that I declare that I own the content, which then gives Meta plausible deniability when it comes to training with copyrighted material? (apologies for the run-on sentence - it is early still)
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago> Is training with user-generated content a way to launder copyrighted images? Doubt it. If you upload child porn to Instagram and they distribute it - it's still an Instagram problem, AFAIK.
- dragonwriter 3y agoChild porn is not a copyright issue, so the DMCA safe harbor for UGC doesn't apply, and its criminal, so the Section 230 safe harbor doesn't apply, so its very much not an applicable example as to whether use of UGC in other contexts is a way of leveraging safe harbor protections for content, whether for copyright or more generally.
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y agoIt's still an Instagram problem if someone uploads copyrighted info and Instagram distributes it...
- fragmede 3y agoAs long as Instagram follows the DMCA and takes it down, they're covered by Section 230, do I don't know if it's a problem per se.
- whywhywhywhy 3y agoIt literally/legally isn't and is one of the reasons US is king for hosting services like IG. Read Section 230.
- lumost 3y agoThis is almost certainly going to be used to generate actual pictures of real people in the nude etc.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y agoFake celebrity nudes pre-date the internet.
- rchaud 3y agoBarriers to entry were a lot higher, and distribution capacity was a lot lower. Surely you can see how the change in that combination could make for a significantly different reality now.
- rightbyte 3y agoI honestly don't see the problem. Especially since any solution to the non-problem is censorship and big tech monopoly since a FOSS model can't be censored. A LLM wont be able to estimate the size of my wiener. I can always claim it's the wrong size in the picture.
- btbuildem 3y agoI really really doubt that. If anything, it'll be nerfed into complete uselessness.
- delecti 3y agoDoesn't seem to be possible. I tried a variety of real people (Tom Hanks, George Bush, George Washington) and each time got the error "This image can't be generated. Please try something else." It did work with some fictional characters though, namely Santa and Mickey Mouse. I'd rather not try asking for nudes while at work, so I can't attest to that part either way. Though "Sherlock Holmes dancing" looked pretty clearly like Benedict Cumberbatch (though the face was pretty mangled looking).
- wongarsu 3y agoThat has been a thing since 2019's DeepNude, and the world hasn't ended. If anything it has been relegated to obscurity.
- nextworddev 3y agoI tried this and was floored how good this was
- nothrowaways 3y agoThe title is misleading. It uses publicly available photos, which means it uses the same image as other AI models like GPT, midjiurney ...
- holoduke 3y agoWho is gonna use these heavily moderated generators?. You cant even generate a nipple or a famous person. There is almost no control or finetuning. There are zillion of checkpoints, loras, controlnets and ipadapters out there to get almost anything with sd. No filters. You can literally generate whatever you like.
- miguelazo 3y agoWow, another reason to delete my accounts.
- leptons 3y agoIf nothing else they've done so far hasn't convinced you to delete your accounts, then why would this? They've done worse before.
- WendyTheWillow 3y agoBecause it’s trained on “real” people, will it be easier to generate ugly people? I have a hard time convincing DALL-E to give me ugly DnD character portraits.
- wobbly_bush 3y agoAren't Insta images heavily edited?
- rchaud 3y agoYes, with filters supplied by Instagram, so they would still have the original camera images.
- doctorpangloss 3y ago> Because it’s trained on “real” people, will it be easier to generate ugly people? In the literature, testing concepts in image generation is asking human graders "which image do you prefer more for this caption?," so the answer is probably no. You could speculate on all the approaches that would help this system learn the concept "ugly," and they would probably work, but it would be hard to measure.
- PUSH_AX 3y agoIn order for a model to understand what ugly is, someone or something has to tag training data as “ugly”, I find this to be a complete can of worms
- Jerrrry 3y ago>In order for a model to understand what ugly is, someone or something has to tag training data as “ugly”, that is a very dated (2008) concept. the model "understands" that 50% of people are below/above median. consequently, those that are not "OMG girl ur BEAUTIFUL"-tagged are horse-faced. It understands that the girl with the profile picture with 200 likes and 2k friends is better looking than the girl with 4 likes and 500 friends.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago> It can handle complex prompts better than Stable Diffusion XL, but perhaps not as well as DALL-E 3 This is a interesting statement, as Stable Diffusion XL implementations vary from "worse than SD 1.5" to "Competitive with DALL-E 3."
- sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y agoIt depends what you want to gen and what prompting style you prefer. I have found SD 1.5/6 to be far more flexible than SDXL. SDXL seems more „neutered“ and biased towards a specific style (like dalle/midj); but this may change as people train more diverse checkpoints and loras for SDXL.
- brucethemoose2 3y agoSee, this is totally my opposite experience. SDXL handles styles incredibly well... With style prompting. Hence my point. SDXL implementations vary wildly. For reference I am using Fooocus.
- al_be_back 3y agoto me these innovations seem akin to Concept Cars in the Motor industry; there's some utility, until some executive takes it center-stage, and pisses-off most of the core users. the biggest value in these networks is real User-generated content, you can't beat billions of real users capturing real content and sharing habitually. even if wording in the Terms permit certain research/usage, you've got market and political climates to consider.
- jafitc 3y agoAll I can say is it’s really fast
- junto 3y agoBefore anyone tries it out from the EU, be warned that it will push to make a Meta account and merge any Facebook/ Instagram profiles together and once you’ve finally bitten that bullet, it will tell you that it isn’t available in your region.
- kevincox 3y agoSame in Canada
- mrits 3y agoIt took me about 10 minutes to do what should have been a single click. They even wanted me to generate a new password even though I login with facebook. In US though and had some fun. It isn't as good as ChatGPT but very impressive.
- CGamesPlay 3y agoStrangely, it appears to decide this based on IP geolocation. My account is listed as US-based but the site does not work when using non-US VPN.
- phatskat 3y agoI wouldn’t be surprised if they have several layers of location checks and if any of them fail they bail. Typically with geolocation on projects I’ve done we will rely on the best available info - location permission, IP geolocation, or the user telling us where they are via form.
- seydor 3y agoSo it's just faces?
- dmazzoni 3y agoIf you ask it to generate an image of Taylor Swift, it refuses. But if you ask it to generate an image of a popular celebrity singer performing the song "Blank Space", it generates an image that looks exactly like Taylor Swift some fraction of the time.
- a_wild_dandan 3y agoI wonder if celebrity doppelgangers can't find modeling work. Like, without EVER referencing your celebrity twin, how closely can your work implicitly approach Swifthood before your free expression gets violated? To dramatize for effect: Can you act in films? Or model a company's products like a guitar/microphone? Or genuinely start a band? Can your credits/band name reference you, if your given name is coincidentally also "Taylor Swift"? Can Facebook AIs train on your Facebook images, and produce a "celebrity female singer" images (with/without a "Blank Space" reference)? What if your LLM's purpose is strictly "parody, caricature, and images whose likeness is purely coincidental"? Can generative AIs have intention? Let alone intention to break copyright? The consequences are endless in both kind/degree when pretending that "likeness" is some unique fingerprint. Ditto for thought-policing what (artificial or human) neural networks can learn from without paying royalties or whatever. It's all absurd. What's more, our society must face these issues. We can't dismiss them as all hyperbolic catastrophizing about slippery slopes. Our system is already subjective, inadequate, and incapable of sorting itself out. The situation becomes more dire each day. Given our trend of sacrificing public interest for private greed (e.g. Disney's hatchet job on copyright), I'm worried about our future.
- RegW 3y agoI wonder what other purposes FB have used those 1.1B+ publicly visible photos to train models for?
- mr_toad 3y agoAnything that classifies and/or recommends images will likely be a deep learning model these days.
- Havoc 3y agoMeta is asking me to log in with my facebook account. Then after authenticating with my FB account meta says I don't have a meta account. Is this all some sort of scam to get me to click accept on whatever godforsaken ToS comes with a meta account? If the FB account is good enough to freakin AUTHENTICATE me then just use that ffs.
- __loam 3y agoThis is extremely shitty to a lot of users.
- andrewstuart 3y agoAnd weirdly, every image it generates is sort of a combination of your grandma and an influencer on a beach on a tropical island.
- astrange 3y agoDoesn't do "hard prompts" better than other systems I've tried. Looks pretty similar to them too. eg: "horse riding an astronaut", "upside-down mini cooper", "kanji alphabet soup".
- ClumsyPilot 3y agoOoh, so that's what they are called! I tried to do "bicycle in a jar" and they could do it, but when I did "car in a jar" or "toy car in a jar" all of them failed.
- astrange 3y agoI don't know if that's the right kind of term, it's just a list of prompts I've noticed usually don't work in image generation models - specifically they ignore what you said and just make an image with some of the words in it. This looks like a SD1.5-like latent diffusion model though. The giveaway is that it can't spell.
- prawn 3y agoSometimes you need to massage the prompt a bit to avoid it getting distracted. e.g., it took me a few tries to get a family having dinner inside a home aquarium. I'd specified it being a large feature wall aquarium, and it got hung up on showing the dining table in front of the feature wall, rather than literally inside the aquarium.
- tiffanyh 3y ago1.1B is tiny. Given that FB & IG combined have ~0.5B photos uploaded daily, this effectively translates to training data from just a few days of user generated content. https://www.brandwatch.com/blog/facebook-statistics/#:~:text=Users%20generate%204%20million%20likes,350%20million%20photos%20per%20day https://www.brandwatch.com/blog/facebook-statistics/#:~:text.... https://www.zippia.com/advice/instagram-statistics/#:~:text=considerable%20400%25%20increase.-,At%20least%2095%20million%20photos%20and%20videos%20are%20posted%20on,day's%20worth%20of%20Instagram%20content https://www.zippia.com/advice/instagram-statistics/#:~:text=....
- next_xibalba 3y agoBut is it tiny with respect to the volume of data required to create a good model and the compute costs associated with the training and operation of that model?
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- acchow 3y agoThey are using only the publicly available photos. Not the ones you share only with friends.
- ssss11 3y agoAnd once they notice no one gives a sh* they’ll throw 100b at it, then more…..
- neilv 3y agoInteresting. Unlike some other popular image generation training, is there a chance that Meta technically got copyright permission for many/most of the images that were posted to its properties? I'm thinking: When the user who uploaded the image was also the copyright holder, that might've been covered by an agreement that technically permitted this use by Meta. (Copyright isn't the only legal issue, though. For example, a person in a photo that someone else uploaded doesn't necessarily lose right to their likeness being used for every purpose to which a generative AI service might be put.)
- deegles 3y agoThey probably added a clause to their terms of service retroactively granting them permission to use your images for this purpose.
- neilv 3y agoI was thinking Meta might be on more solid copyright ground here than most large generative AI models have. (Not that legal ground is going to stop anyone, in a generative AI race worth trillions of dollars.)
- neom 3y agoReally struggles with fingers, probably worse than any AI image generator I've seen so far. Maybe there aren't a lot of finger-showing images on IG and FB!
- andsoitis 3y agoThe images of ourselves have now been absorbed into an AI. An intelligence that knows a shit ton about a very very large number of people.
- squigglydonut 3y agoArtists...leave.
- miked85 3y agoYet another reason to steer far clear of anything Meta.
- zoklet-enjoyer 3y agoI'm not sure if they cut me off for generating too many images or because of the content of my images. Everything is now giving the response "This image can't be generated. Please try something else." This only started after I put in the prompt manbearpig did 9/11. It was ok with some really weird stuff though