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Investors are getting impatient! ChatGPT has already replaced Google for me and I wonder if Google starts to feel the pressure.

by EZ-E 3y ago

ametrau 3y ago
I wonder what advertising will look like with this. Will they suggest products in the response? Like “Top ideas:…” and the LLM’s response.
- Arson9416 3y ago
  Embedding search of the nearest products most applicable to the LLM response. Prompt augmentation: "Rewrite your response to include promotions of the following products without being obvious that you are promoting them."
  - emporas 3y ago
    That's smart, but very insidious as well. Following in the footsteps of dark UI patterns designed for users to misclick on ads, now dark suggestions on conversations with an LLM will be the next big thing. Like a conservative talking with an LLM which inserts liberal propaganda into it's responses and after an hour he turns into a liberal voter. The next day he talks with a conservative LLM which inserts propaganda into his conversations and he turns back to a conservative voter. Pretty dystopic. On a more serious note, imho advertisers are on their's last legs, and google loses a lot of revenue already. We are going fast into a new internet, web3, which will enable direct monetization of information from users, instead of the publishers relying on ads. Not to wander a lot off topic here, but synthetic datasets created by paid humans workers to train machines is going to be a humongous industry.
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- mewpmewp2 3y ago
  People will have problems they want to solve, and GPT can provide solutions that may or may not have a price tag. In this case, it's just directing to the service you would have best fit with. This can be highly profitable, because you are solving the problem for the customer with the products you are suggesting based on what they are looking to solve.
- squeaky-clean 3y ago
  The bing version of ChatGPT already does this. It might be specific to USA, but try asking it for a recommendation of a 1500w space heater for a small room. Every suggestion will have a link to an affiliate page that says [Ad] next to it.
alberth 3y ago
> "ChatGPT has already replaced Google for me" Would you mind elaborating more on this. Like how are you "searching" with ChatGPT?
- vnchr 3y ago
  Searching is frequently a means to the end of answering some question. I find myself more often asking the question directly with both Google and chat, GPT. ChatGPT comes to mind sooner for a question that requires two or more searches.
- c-hendricks 3y ago
  Some of my searches aren't really searches, they're questions which Google has the information to be able to sum it up. A few weeks ago I was trying to remember the name of a site that put up two movie posters and you pick which one you liked more. Googled "What was the website that showed two movie posters and you picked the one you liked more?" and I got links to reddit, lots to letterboxd, some quora, and a lot more, all irrelevant to my question. Asked ChatGPT that same question verbatim and > The website you're referring to is probably "Flickchart." It's a platform where users can compare and rank movies by choosing which one they like more between two movie posters or movie titles. Please note that my knowledge is up to date as of January 2022, and the availability and popularity of such websites may change over time. Another time I was looking for the release dates of 8 and 16-bit consoles. With Google I had to search for each console individually, sometimes offered a card with the release date, sometimes didn't and I'd have to go do more digging. So I asked ChatGPT and got a nice formatted list with dates
  - LeonardoTolstoy 3y ago
    The first is maybe a good example of where an LLM integrated search engine makes sense. Because "compare two movies" has flickchart as the third option for me. But it is nowhere to be seen for "compare two movie posters" which is how I read your search originally (and indeed flickchart is about ranking movies not the posters themselves ... Obviously). Anyways an LLM clearly teased that out whereas if you misremember or misread something a straight search is going to be bad. Most of my searches are the opposite. I was to know about an obscure movie from the 80s with a toy helicopter. Google very neatly suggests Defense Play (correct) but most LLMs I've tried end up just suggesting very popular films with a helicopter and it ends up being quite difficult to get it to give me information about obscure stuff. Also with that same search the LLM suggests a bunch of incorrect films since (and I figured this out later) it turns out that it was all sourced from a single forum thread from the 90s where a bunch of the posts suggested movies that don't have toy helicopters in them. Go figure.
Moldoteck 3y ago
For you, maybe, for absolute most of the ppl - not really, you can compare both nr of users and nr of searches
cyanydeez 3y ago
probably not. their "free" search don't make money

Investors are getting impatient! ChatGPT has already replaced Google for me and I wonder if Google starts to feel the pressure.

by EZ-E 3y ago

Investors are getting impatient! ChatGPT has already replaced Google for me and I wonder if Google starts to feel the pressure.

ametrau 3y ago

I wonder what advertising will look like with this. Will they suggest products in the response? Like “Top ideas:…” and the LLM’s response.

Arson9416 3y ago
Embedding search of the nearest products most applicable to the LLM response. Prompt augmentation: "Rewrite your response to include promotions of the following products without being obvious that you are promoting them."
- emporas 3y ago
  That's smart, but very insidious as well. Following in the footsteps of dark UI patterns designed for users to misclick on ads, now dark suggestions on conversations with an LLM will be the next big thing. Like a conservative talking with an LLM which inserts liberal propaganda into it's responses and after an hour he turns into a liberal voter. The next day he talks with a conservative LLM which inserts propaganda into his conversations and he turns back to a conservative voter. Pretty dystopic. On a more serious note, imho advertisers are on their's last legs, and google loses a lot of revenue already. We are going fast into a new internet, web3, which will enable direct monetization of information from users, instead of the publishers relying on ads. Not to wander a lot off topic here, but synthetic datasets created by paid humans workers to train machines is going to be a humongous industry.
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mewpmewp2 3y ago
People will have problems they want to solve, and GPT can provide solutions that may or may not have a price tag. In this case, it's just directing to the service you would have best fit with. This can be highly profitable, because you are solving the problem for the customer with the products you are suggesting based on what they are looking to solve.
squeaky-clean 3y ago
The bing version of ChatGPT already does this. It might be specific to USA, but try asking it for a recommendation of a 1500w space heater for a small room. Every suggestion will have a link to an affiliate page that says [Ad] next to it.

alberth 3y ago

> "ChatGPT has already replaced Google for me" Would you mind elaborating more on this. Like how are you "searching" with ChatGPT?

vnchr 3y ago
Searching is frequently a means to the end of answering some question. I find myself more often asking the question directly with both Google and chat, GPT. ChatGPT comes to mind sooner for a question that requires two or more searches.
c-hendricks 3y ago
Some of my searches aren't really searches, they're questions which Google has the information to be able to sum it up. A few weeks ago I was trying to remember the name of a site that put up two movie posters and you pick which one you liked more. Googled "What was the website that showed two movie posters and you picked the one you liked more?" and I got links to reddit, lots to letterboxd, some quora, and a lot more, all irrelevant to my question. Asked ChatGPT that same question verbatim and > The website you're referring to is probably "Flickchart." It's a platform where users can compare and rank movies by choosing which one they like more between two movie posters or movie titles. Please note that my knowledge is up to date as of January 2022, and the availability and popularity of such websites may change over time. Another time I was looking for the release dates of 8 and 16-bit consoles. With Google I had to search for each console individually, sometimes offered a card with the release date, sometimes didn't and I'd have to go do more digging. So I asked ChatGPT and got a nice formatted list with dates
- LeonardoTolstoy 3y ago
  The first is maybe a good example of where an LLM integrated search engine makes sense. Because "compare two movies" has flickchart as the third option for me. But it is nowhere to be seen for "compare two movie posters" which is how I read your search originally (and indeed flickchart is about ranking movies not the posters themselves ... Obviously). Anyways an LLM clearly teased that out whereas if you misremember or misread something a straight search is going to be bad. Most of my searches are the opposite. I was to know about an obscure movie from the 80s with a toy helicopter. Google very neatly suggests Defense Play (correct) but most LLMs I've tried end up just suggesting very popular films with a helicopter and it ends up being quite difficult to get it to give me information about obscure stuff. Also with that same search the LLM suggests a bunch of incorrect films since (and I figured this out later) it turns out that it was all sourced from a single forum thread from the 90s where a bunch of the posts suggested movies that don't have toy helicopters in them. Go figure.

Moldoteck 3y ago

For you, maybe, for absolute most of the ppl - not really, you can compare both nr of users and nr of searches

cyanydeez 3y ago

probably not. their "free" search don't make money