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Africa Does Not Exist

28 points by airhangerf15 3y ago

catchnear4321 3y ago
> I don’t know what the solution is, but I’m pretty sure hardly anyone in the White House, or the British government was even aware this was going on. of course they know. they just don’t care. otherwise it would look different.
sgift 3y ago
Well, since this exists, I really doubt "hardly anyone in White House, or the British government was even aware this was going on": https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/09/17/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-actions-in-response-to-ongoing-crisis-in-northern-ethiopia/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  It does seem surprising that easily disprovable nonsense, as in discoverable after 30 seconds of searching, got 28 upvotes.
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  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    1 / 9 / 90 rule suggests that 90 people will see this -- and most of them will never read the article, read past the first paragraph, or search for anything to prove or disprove it. throw a bunch of surface level BS out there and it will stick with more people than you'd think. even with the HN literati who don't think marketing works on them.
zoklet-enjoyer 3y ago
I only vaguely knew about this from seeing Somalis talking about it online.
SoftTalker 3y ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20231130203137/https://www.rintrah.nl/africa-does-not-exist/ https://web.archive.org/web/20231130203137/https://www.rintr...
mbgerring 3y ago
This is idiotic. This conflict was all over the news, for months, after it started. In mainstream news sources. If you didn’t hear about this, you have a media diet problem.
- disgruntledphd2 3y ago
  Maybe your news. I totally missed this, and I subscribe to a bunch of newspapers. The economist, as annoying as they are do have great African coverage so maybe I should have kept them around. Are you a native English speaker or some other language, perchance?
  - readthenotes1 3y ago
    Newspaper? CNN, BBC, sky, guardian covered it. I probably heard about it from hacker news.
    - sgift 3y ago
      Add every (big) German news website and newspapers of course. Probably the same in other countries. Yes, long standing conflicts only get mentioned when they "flare" up. How much did we hear about Israel/Palestine in the last two years before Oct 7? Not too much. Same with this conflict and the myriad of others. Most of them get mentioned when they start and only when something really important happens. If people want to know more, they need to go to a specialized publication, not just read the "most important" section of the news and be done.
  - mbgerring 3y ago
    I’m a native english speaker. The conflict was extensively covered on public radio, Democracy Now and the BBC World Service.
darth_avocado 3y ago
Unfortunately for Western media (and therefore populations) the "world" is kind of represented by this meme: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/995/317/b3f.jpg https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/995/317/b3f... It's not just Africa, but a lot more that doesn't exist.
earthboundkid 3y ago
I am aware of the conflict in the Ethiopia region. I have Ethiopian/Eritrean neighbors and friends. I remember the last time there was peace being happy for them. But I don't think there's any chance that the US government could successfully intervene in the conflicts there in such a way as to make a lasting peace more likely. It just doesn't have the capacity for that. We don't know the players and any thumb we put on the scale will just imbalance the whole thing. In the Gaza War, the US has direct personal and financial ties to one of the main actors in the conflict. Now, if someone said, "The US should do more to influence Hamas," I would say that's not really possible because we have no connections or leverage over their behavior. They are connected to Iran and Qatar and their own people, but they don't really care what we think of them. But we have fairly decent leverage on the Netanyahu government. So when I advocate for the US to do things with relation to the Gaza War it is all about changing the behavior of the Israeli government, and not something else we don't really affect.
- Gibbon1 3y ago
  You're demanding the US government be far more heavy handed in a conflict that is fundamentally unimportant. And the losing side has a decades long track record of refusing good faith appeasement. The US can do far more good by focusing it's efforts elsewhere.
  - enterprise_cog 3y ago
    Palestinian children are unimportant? The conflict is a humanitarian crisis. We are directly funding it and providing the munitions for Israel to kill civilians. We don’t even need to be heavy handed. We just need to pull the plug on support. If by losing side you mean Israel, then yes I agree they have not acted in good faith for decades. Or do you think Israel killing 20k+ civilians, failing to achieve their military objectives, and Hamas being in a stronger position than ever is Israel winning?
    - Gibbon1 3y ago
      What you are suggesting is that the US back Israel into a corner with the belief that that'll fix things. That's usually a bad idea which is why countries lead by reasonable people don't usually do that. And you're delusional if you think Israel has lost wars. They won the civil war with the Arab Palestinians. Won 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Won the 1967 Seven day war and Won the 1973 Yom Kippur War. In comparison the PLO and Hamas have lost every war they started with the Palestinians Arabs you pretend to care about being worse off each time. Usually someone in the position of the Palestinian Arabs should just take the offer of appeasement and move on.
ethbr1 3y ago
I feel like author probably hadn't heard of Camp Lemonnier [0], and/or might not be aware how close Djibouti is to Ethiopia. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Lemonnier https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Lemonnier
theandrewbailey 3y ago
If so much of that foreign aid wasn't being confiscated by warlords, there would be more aid. But to westerners, warlords are evil and cause problems, and don't want to be seen supporting them. Definitely agree on the suspicious silence on the Tigray war. Not even the Uighurs get as much airtime as Israel vs Gaza does.
kiba 3y ago
Anybody have ties to the continent in some form or another? It could be work or something like that. Ultimately, we care about is salient and relevant to us. Abstraction don't usually have strong feeling attached to it. I am connected to Asia simply because my family was from there and that America fought in Vietnam, changing the lives of millions. So people in America have lot and lot of opinions about the war fought there. What did America do in Africa? Somalia. That warranted a whole movie. What else? I heard there was some fighting in West Africa against terrorism. America sell some tanks to the Egyptians.
- EvanKnowles 3y ago
  I mean, a bunch of us here are sitting on the continent right now.
- defrost 3y ago
  Do you remember that decades long Cold war? That toe to toe superpower standoff that saw 2,000+ atomic weapons, many that dwarfed the Japanese explosions, detonated in airburst and underground "tests"? That saw the construction and stockpiling of thousands more nuclear weapons? During any given year of the Cold War, between 20 percent and 50 percent of the Western world's uranium came from African nations: Congo, Niger, South Africa, Gabon, Madagascar, and Namibia. Officially, of course, at the time, the USofA wasn't there in Afica, nor was the USSR much. The French and others were about as proxies and there was an awful lot of coups, dictatorships, unstable governments etc that were all being heavily nudged by the Cold War super powers. So what did America and Russia do in Africa? Pretty much screwed it up for decades to keep the uranium flowly regardless of how many attempts at self determined government they each had to topple, how many warlords they had to fund, etc. https://theconversation.com/how-a-rich-uranium-mine-thrust-the-congo-into-the-centre-of-the-cold-war-64761 https://theconversation.com/how-a-rich-uranium-mine-thrust-t... barely scratches the surface, it's an abyss of barely told history that is only recently coming to light.
themaninthedark 3y ago
If The United States and Europe intervene in Africa, they are colonizers who are looking to grow their empire. If The United States and Europe send aid to Africa, they are dumping cheap excess food and destroying local farmers. If white men from the US and Europe dig wells in Africa, they get backlash because they are white men. And now, I suppose if you don't focus on Africa you are also a problem.
- dudul 3y ago
  Exactly - there is no way to win. America is vilified whether it is interventionist and also when it is isolationist. They shouldn't believe like the world's police, but also they have to stop all conflicts everywhere.
aeturnum 3y ago
I read this before it 508'ed and now can't quote from it (so you will forgive a critique in abstentia), but I think this energy is misdirected. The author is broadly correct about how much space Africa takes up in western "popular thought" - though I think they are totally wrong about how aware policy makers are of the goings on in other countries (they are very aware, but they focus on issues that are understood to be domestically relevant). But this isn't really about "Africa" in any specific way - most of this article is about the difference between "the map and the territory" of "western discussion of the world." More specifically discussion of world events in the united states. People in the US exist inside an information bubble that warps our understanding of the rest of the world. Because we are wealthy and resource-rich our country and its goings on are shockingly well covered (and that coverage can generally be distributed in exchange for ads). We are at the center of a world-wide attention economy that knows that the most valuable information is the information that we know we already want. This creates perverse incentives where a comparatively easy way for any particular individual to make money is to produce information on any subject that closely aligns to the views & lifestyle of wealthy westerners - those westerners will tend to prefer your perspective to others that might be closer to reality but further from the average western perspective. This is a hard problem! It's hard to measure and hard to judge. Our information feeds are now relentlessly customized to fit the understood desires of every individual person. Information feeds that aren't shaped in that way contain too much information for any human to make sense of. We desperately need algorithmic assistance in processing and understanding the flood of information from everywhere but every company that has deep investments in that area has done so with the goal of selling us toothpaste. We're in a tough spot - us and the people who are trapped in our economic wake.
- Karrot_Kream 3y ago
  I'm not sure this is quite on the mark. What makes the Gaza conflict more prominent to the US than what's happening in Africa? To some extent the US was less involved in Africa. Once it left the slave trade, its main involvement until the Cold War was with Liberia. But since the Cold War, the US has had varying levels of involvement in the continent. During the Cold War the US did some pretty nasty things in Angola. The US pledged aid to Ethiopia as a way to keep it from falling into the pocket of the Soviets. The US was involved with the South African government in both propping up apartheid during the Cold War and decades later trying to speed its dismantlement. I think it's just that the Middle East has more wealth than Africa and that regional powers like Qatar and Israel can afford to cover news in the area with more speed and fidelity, which means that outlets like Al Jazeera can provoke other news outlets to react with their own takes. Africa just doesn't have as much money and just can't afford to diplomatically exist on a larger scale the way the Middle East can. Though I think this article does raise a huge risk that China can swoop in and count Africa easily given how little awareness the average Western voter has of African politics.
Modified3019 3y ago
A really nice video was recently released that gives a good overview of the history of what’s going on in Ethiopia, and why the region is rolling toward another war: Why Ethiopia is Preparing to Invade Eritrea Next https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hABbIseGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hABbIseGk
more_corn 3y ago
I appreciate the rant. Don’t 100% agree with it but respect the passion behind it.
wizzwizz4 3y ago
I'm suspicious of the author's repeated use of the phrase: > Low IQ low status white males Other than this, and the numerous factual inaccuracies, the article makes a valid point. I know how to get information on Central Europe, on North America, on Central America, on East Asia. If I want to learn about what's going on in Guinea, I have to start looking at English Creole sources. But – excluding Egypt and South Africa – I have no idea how to even find out about what's going on in the rest of Africa, unless it happens to be covered by Wikipedia. Which, btw, the Ethiopian civil conflict is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_civil_conflict_(2018%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_civil_conflict_(2018...
- orwin 3y ago
  The guardian and Le Monde covered it. Also there was a lot of press around the Niles dam, and a conspiracy theory about Tigray rebels founded by Egypt and Cia.
civilitty 3y ago
> I’m a guy who spends far too much time, keeping up to date about everything. If something’s happening somewhere, I know about it. I know this isn't the point of TFA the author had used a better source for their news like the Wikipedia current events portal [1] they would not have missed the war. See the page for the months leading up to the November 2022 ceasefire like September, 2022 [2] for example and there is plenty of coverage of the Tigray War and a well maintained list of ongoing conflicts. The page covered the spillover of the surrounding civil wars too and it's a very quick read once a week or however frequently you want to keep up. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events/September_2022 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events/Septembe...
mustafa_pasi 3y ago
Somehow, I get the feeling that the author couldn't care less about any of these conflicts and tragedies, and is only using them to lament the fact that his community cares about other conflicts and tragedies and he would be perfectly happy if the news and the people he mingles with only care about whatever happens in his perfect little Dutch town. It's completely fine for people to have selective attention when it comes to causes they care about. There might also be many reasons why some people feel invigorated or called to action by certain human conflicts but not others. Frankly, the article is disgusting and quite likely written by a Nazi.
- wizzwizz4 3y ago
  The author's worldview is definitely bigoted to some degree, but this doesn't match the kinds of thing I've seen from American or British Nazi-wannabies. (Or TESCREAL adherents, my next closest match.) Perhaps it's a flavour of neoreactionary I'm not familiar with?
  - mustafa_pasi 3y ago
    It is a common argument fielded by people of questionable morals, typically by fake nationalists like the AfD and the Dutch counterpart (which the author of the article praised in an earlier blog post). I have heard it being used in various contexts but pretty much always, "why are we wasting time and effort caring about these brown (!!!) people, there are other unfortunate people having tragedies there, there, and there!"
fiftyfifty 3y ago
I'm not convinced this is an Africa thing as much as an Ethiopian thing. There are just simply not a lot of western interests in Ethiopia and thus not as much news coverage. Ethiopia flirted with communism for almost 20 years and was an ally of the Soviet Union and has always been a bit closed off to the west. In fact Russia is still flexing it's influence in Ethiopia today: https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-russia-ethiopia-rethink/ https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-russia-ethiopia-rethi... Kenya is another African country that is feared to be on the verge of a civil war, and the violence in Kenya is often covered in the news in the US and Europe. The UK had a long history in Kenya and the US has pretty strong diplomatic ties with Kenya and so news in Kenya tends to get covered in the US and Europe more.
gmuslera 3y ago
History is written by the victors^W media controllers. It is bigger than Africa. Things happens everywhere all the time, some may be much worse than this happening in Ethiopia, but until some of the right groups point the spotlight in a particular point, with a particular reading of it, and maybe a way to win something about it, the global culture will be unaware of it happening. And even if someone not directly involved read something about it, it will vanish as soon as try to compete for attention with the big noisemakers. There are things that happen in a sudden moment and somewhat ends, a plane crash, an accident in a mine, whatever, that moves the needle for a second and then vanished. But for long standing tragedies, we’ll, we’ve always been at war with Eastasia so there is no merit worrying about it.
dvfjsdhgfv 3y ago
> I don’t know what the solution is, but I’m pretty sure hardly anyone in the White House, or the British government was even aware this was going on. But what should they do, exactly? Whenever "the West" decides to interfere, they are accused of imperialism, genocide and so on. It's really, really difficult to understand what exactly to do in such a situation.
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johnea 3y ago
Because THIS GUY never heard about the Tigray war, "leftists" are worse than white supremacists? How does shit like this even make it to HN top 30? "...most sub-Saharan Africans are just pretty normal people. They’re not leftists, they don’t hate white people, many of them are Christians." Sounds to me like the author is a low IQ white guy...
onecommentman 3y ago
‘Twas ever thus. A quip made about London Times global news coverage from the Empire days: “MAJOR EARTHQUAKE IN PERU: Not Many People Killed”. It had required a whole newsstand of papers and magazines to get a proper perspective on global news in the modern era. Fortunately nowadays we can compile such a multifaceted perspective from various online news sites and news aggregators. Takes work…thus most folks like their news curated, leading to blind spots in coverage. There is no such thing as any channel/news site delivering The News, only Some News.
kaycey2022 3y ago
>Africans don’t even get that. They are just completely and utterly ignored. Nothing that happens in South Sudan, in the Central African Republic, in Congo, in Ethiopia, in Mali, means anything to anyone who doesn’t live there. They don’t even get their existence acknowledged. This is perfectly OK. Attention is the problem. The more you are left to your own devices, the better chance you have to script your own success rather than be forced to become a pale imitation of someone else who doesn't even understand their own success.

28 points by airhangerf15 3y ago

> I don’t know what the solution is, but I’m pretty sure hardly anyone in the White House, or the British government was even aware this was going on. of course they know. they just don’t care. otherwise it would look different.

sgift 3y ago

Well, since this exists, I really doubt "hardly anyone in White House, or the British government was even aware this was going on": https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/09/17/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-actions-in-response-to-ongoing-crisis-in-northern-ethiopia/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases...

MichaelZuo 3y ago
It does seem surprising that easily disprovable nonsense, as in discoverable after 30 seconds of searching, got 28 upvotes.
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- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  1 / 9 / 90 rule suggests that 90 people will see this -- and most of them will never read the article, read past the first paragraph, or search for anything to prove or disprove it. throw a bunch of surface level BS out there and it will stick with more people than you'd think. even with the HN literati who don't think marketing works on them.

zoklet-enjoyer 3y ago

I only vaguely knew about this from seeing Somalis talking about it online.

SoftTalker 3y ago

https://web.archive.org/web/20231130203137/https://www.rintrah.nl/africa-does-not-exist/ https://web.archive.org/web/20231130203137/https://www.rintr...

mbgerring 3y ago

This is idiotic. This conflict was all over the news, for months, after it started. In mainstream news sources. If you didn’t hear about this, you have a media diet problem.

disgruntledphd2 3y ago
Maybe your news. I totally missed this, and I subscribe to a bunch of newspapers. The economist, as annoying as they are do have great African coverage so maybe I should have kept them around. Are you a native English speaker or some other language, perchance?
- readthenotes1 3y ago
  Newspaper? CNN, BBC, sky, guardian covered it. I probably heard about it from hacker news.
  - sgift 3y ago
    Add every (big) German news website and newspapers of course. Probably the same in other countries. Yes, long standing conflicts only get mentioned when they "flare" up. How much did we hear about Israel/Palestine in the last two years before Oct 7? Not too much. Same with this conflict and the myriad of others. Most of them get mentioned when they start and only when something really important happens. If people want to know more, they need to go to a specialized publication, not just read the "most important" section of the news and be done.
- mbgerring 3y ago
  I’m a native english speaker. The conflict was extensively covered on public radio, Democracy Now and the BBC World Service.

darth_avocado 3y ago

Unfortunately for Western media (and therefore populations) the "world" is kind of represented by this meme: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/995/317/b3f.jpg https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/995/317/b3f... It's not just Africa, but a lot more that doesn't exist.

earthboundkid 3y ago

I am aware of the conflict in the Ethiopia region. I have Ethiopian/Eritrean neighbors and friends. I remember the last time there was peace being happy for them. But I don't think there's any chance that the US government could successfully intervene in the conflicts there in such a way as to make a lasting peace more likely. It just doesn't have the capacity for that. We don't know the players and any thumb we put on the scale will just imbalance the whole thing. In the Gaza War, the US has direct personal and financial ties to one of the main actors in the conflict. Now, if someone said, "The US should do more to influence Hamas," I would say that's not really possible because we have no connections or leverage over their behavior. They are connected to Iran and Qatar and their own people, but they don't really care what we think of them. But we have fairly decent leverage on the Netanyahu government. So when I advocate for the US to do things with relation to the Gaza War it is all about changing the behavior of the Israeli government, and not something else we don't really affect.

Gibbon1 3y ago
You're demanding the US government be far more heavy handed in a conflict that is fundamentally unimportant. And the losing side has a decades long track record of refusing good faith appeasement. The US can do far more good by focusing it's efforts elsewhere.
- enterprise_cog 3y ago
  Palestinian children are unimportant? The conflict is a humanitarian crisis. We are directly funding it and providing the munitions for Israel to kill civilians. We don’t even need to be heavy handed. We just need to pull the plug on support. If by losing side you mean Israel, then yes I agree they have not acted in good faith for decades. Or do you think Israel killing 20k+ civilians, failing to achieve their military objectives, and Hamas being in a stronger position than ever is Israel winning?
  - Gibbon1 3y ago
    What you are suggesting is that the US back Israel into a corner with the belief that that'll fix things. That's usually a bad idea which is why countries lead by reasonable people don't usually do that. And you're delusional if you think Israel has lost wars. They won the civil war with the Arab Palestinians. Won 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Won the 1967 Seven day war and Won the 1973 Yom Kippur War. In comparison the PLO and Hamas have lost every war they started with the Palestinians Arabs you pretend to care about being worse off each time. Usually someone in the position of the Palestinian Arabs should just take the offer of appeasement and move on.

ethbr1 3y ago

I feel like author probably hadn't heard of Camp Lemonnier [0], and/or might not be aware how close Djibouti is to Ethiopia. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Lemonnier https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Lemonnier

theandrewbailey 3y ago

If so much of that foreign aid wasn't being confiscated by warlords, there would be more aid. But to westerners, warlords are evil and cause problems, and don't want to be seen supporting them. Definitely agree on the suspicious silence on the Tigray war. Not even the Uighurs get as much airtime as Israel vs Gaza does.

kiba 3y ago

Anybody have ties to the continent in some form or another? It could be work or something like that. Ultimately, we care about is salient and relevant to us. Abstraction don't usually have strong feeling attached to it. I am connected to Asia simply because my family was from there and that America fought in Vietnam, changing the lives of millions. So people in America have lot and lot of opinions about the war fought there. What did America do in Africa? Somalia. That warranted a whole movie. What else? I heard there was some fighting in West Africa against terrorism. America sell some tanks to the Egyptians.

EvanKnowles 3y ago
I mean, a bunch of us here are sitting on the continent right now.
defrost 3y ago
Do you remember that decades long Cold war? That toe to toe superpower standoff that saw 2,000+ atomic weapons, many that dwarfed the Japanese explosions, detonated in airburst and underground "tests"? That saw the construction and stockpiling of thousands more nuclear weapons? During any given year of the Cold War, between 20 percent and 50 percent of the Western world's uranium came from African nations: Congo, Niger, South Africa, Gabon, Madagascar, and Namibia. Officially, of course, at the time, the USofA wasn't there in Afica, nor was the USSR much. The French and others were about as proxies and there was an awful lot of coups, dictatorships, unstable governments etc that were all being heavily nudged by the Cold War super powers. So what did America and Russia do in Africa? Pretty much screwed it up for decades to keep the uranium flowly regardless of how many attempts at self determined government they each had to topple, how many warlords they had to fund, etc. https://theconversation.com/how-a-rich-uranium-mine-thrust-the-congo-into-the-centre-of-the-cold-war-64761 https://theconversation.com/how-a-rich-uranium-mine-thrust-t... barely scratches the surface, it's an abyss of barely told history that is only recently coming to light.

themaninthedark 3y ago

If The United States and Europe intervene in Africa, they are colonizers who are looking to grow their empire. If The United States and Europe send aid to Africa, they are dumping cheap excess food and destroying local farmers. If white men from the US and Europe dig wells in Africa, they get backlash because they are white men. And now, I suppose if you don't focus on Africa you are also a problem.

dudul 3y ago
Exactly - there is no way to win. America is vilified whether it is interventionist and also when it is isolationist. They shouldn't believe like the world's police, but also they have to stop all conflicts everywhere.

aeturnum 3y ago

I read this before it 508'ed and now can't quote from it (so you will forgive a critique in abstentia), but I think this energy is misdirected. The author is broadly correct about how much space Africa takes up in western "popular thought" - though I think they are totally wrong about how aware policy makers are of the goings on in other countries (they are very aware, but they focus on issues that are understood to be domestically relevant). But this isn't really about "Africa" in any specific way - most of this article is about the difference between "the map and the territory" of "western discussion of the world." More specifically discussion of world events in the united states. People in the US exist inside an information bubble that warps our understanding of the rest of the world. Because we are wealthy and resource-rich our country and its goings on are shockingly well covered (and that coverage can generally be distributed in exchange for ads). We are at the center of a world-wide attention economy that knows that the most valuable information is the information that we know we already want. This creates perverse incentives where a comparatively easy way for any particular individual to make money is to produce information on any subject that closely aligns to the views & lifestyle of wealthy westerners - those westerners will tend to prefer your perspective to others that might be closer to reality but further from the average western perspective. This is a hard problem! It's hard to measure and hard to judge. Our information feeds are now relentlessly customized to fit the understood desires of every individual person. Information feeds that aren't shaped in that way contain too much information for any human to make sense of. We desperately need algorithmic assistance in processing and understanding the flood of information from everywhere but every company that has deep investments in that area has done so with the goal of selling us toothpaste. We're in a tough spot - us and the people who are trapped in our economic wake.

Karrot_Kream 3y ago
I'm not sure this is quite on the mark. What makes the Gaza conflict more prominent to the US than what's happening in Africa? To some extent the US was less involved in Africa. Once it left the slave trade, its main involvement until the Cold War was with Liberia. But since the Cold War, the US has had varying levels of involvement in the continent. During the Cold War the US did some pretty nasty things in Angola. The US pledged aid to Ethiopia as a way to keep it from falling into the pocket of the Soviets. The US was involved with the South African government in both propping up apartheid during the Cold War and decades later trying to speed its dismantlement. I think it's just that the Middle East has more wealth than Africa and that regional powers like Qatar and Israel can afford to cover news in the area with more speed and fidelity, which means that outlets like Al Jazeera can provoke other news outlets to react with their own takes. Africa just doesn't have as much money and just can't afford to diplomatically exist on a larger scale the way the Middle East can. Though I think this article does raise a huge risk that China can swoop in and count Africa easily given how little awareness the average Western voter has of African politics.

Modified3019 3y ago

A really nice video was recently released that gives a good overview of the history of what’s going on in Ethiopia, and why the region is rolling toward another war: Why Ethiopia is Preparing to Invade Eritrea Next https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hABbIseGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hABbIseGk

more_corn 3y ago

I appreciate the rant. Don’t 100% agree with it but respect the passion behind it.

wizzwizz4 3y ago

I'm suspicious of the author's repeated use of the phrase: > Low IQ low status white males Other than this, and the numerous factual inaccuracies, the article makes a valid point. I know how to get information on Central Europe, on North America, on Central America, on East Asia. If I want to learn about what's going on in Guinea, I have to start looking at English Creole sources. But – excluding Egypt and South Africa – I have no idea how to even find out about what's going on in the rest of Africa, unless it happens to be covered by Wikipedia. Which, btw, the Ethiopian civil conflict is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_civil_conflict_(2018%E2%80%93present) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_civil_conflict_(2018...

orwin 3y ago
The guardian and Le Monde covered it. Also there was a lot of press around the Niles dam, and a conspiracy theory about Tigray rebels founded by Egypt and Cia.

civilitty 3y ago

> I’m a guy who spends far too much time, keeping up to date about everything. If something’s happening somewhere, I know about it. I know this isn't the point of TFA the author had used a better source for their news like the Wikipedia current events portal [1] they would not have missed the war. See the page for the months leading up to the November 2022 ceasefire like September, 2022 [2] for example and there is plenty of coverage of the Tigray War and a well maintained list of ongoing conflicts. The page covered the spillover of the surrounding civil wars too and it's a very quick read once a week or however frequently you want to keep up. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events/September_2022 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events/Septembe...

mustafa_pasi 3y ago

Somehow, I get the feeling that the author couldn't care less about any of these conflicts and tragedies, and is only using them to lament the fact that his community cares about other conflicts and tragedies and he would be perfectly happy if the news and the people he mingles with only care about whatever happens in his perfect little Dutch town. It's completely fine for people to have selective attention when it comes to causes they care about. There might also be many reasons why some people feel invigorated or called to action by certain human conflicts but not others. Frankly, the article is disgusting and quite likely written by a Nazi.

wizzwizz4 3y ago
The author's worldview is definitely bigoted to some degree, but this doesn't match the kinds of thing I've seen from American or British Nazi-wannabies. (Or TESCREAL adherents, my next closest match.) Perhaps it's a flavour of neoreactionary I'm not familiar with?
- mustafa_pasi 3y ago
  It is a common argument fielded by people of questionable morals, typically by fake nationalists like the AfD and the Dutch counterpart (which the author of the article praised in an earlier blog post). I have heard it being used in various contexts but pretty much always, "why are we wasting time and effort caring about these brown (!!!) people, there are other unfortunate people having tragedies there, there, and there!"

fiftyfifty 3y ago

I'm not convinced this is an Africa thing as much as an Ethiopian thing. There are just simply not a lot of western interests in Ethiopia and thus not as much news coverage. Ethiopia flirted with communism for almost 20 years and was an ally of the Soviet Union and has always been a bit closed off to the west. In fact Russia is still flexing it's influence in Ethiopia today: https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-russia-ethiopia-rethink/ https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-russia-ethiopia-rethi... Kenya is another African country that is feared to be on the verge of a civil war, and the violence in Kenya is often covered in the news in the US and Europe. The UK had a long history in Kenya and the US has pretty strong diplomatic ties with Kenya and so news in Kenya tends to get covered in the US and Europe more.

gmuslera 3y ago

History is written by the victors^W media controllers. It is bigger than Africa. Things happens everywhere all the time, some may be much worse than this happening in Ethiopia, but until some of the right groups point the spotlight in a particular point, with a particular reading of it, and maybe a way to win something about it, the global culture will be unaware of it happening. And even if someone not directly involved read something about it, it will vanish as soon as try to compete for attention with the big noisemakers. There are things that happen in a sudden moment and somewhat ends, a plane crash, an accident in a mine, whatever, that moves the needle for a second and then vanished. But for long standing tragedies, we’ll, we’ve always been at war with Eastasia so there is no merit worrying about it.

dvfjsdhgfv 3y ago

> I don’t know what the solution is, but I’m pretty sure hardly anyone in the White House, or the British government was even aware this was going on. But what should they do, exactly? Whenever "the West" decides to interfere, they are accused of imperialism, genocide and so on. It's really, really difficult to understand what exactly to do in such a situation.

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johnea 3y ago

Because THIS GUY never heard about the Tigray war, "leftists" are worse than white supremacists? How does shit like this even make it to HN top 30? "...most sub-Saharan Africans are just pretty normal people. They’re not leftists, they don’t hate white people, many of them are Christians." Sounds to me like the author is a low IQ white guy...

onecommentman 3y ago

‘Twas ever thus. A quip made about London Times global news coverage from the Empire days: “MAJOR EARTHQUAKE IN PERU: Not Many People Killed”. It had required a whole newsstand of papers and magazines to get a proper perspective on global news in the modern era. Fortunately nowadays we can compile such a multifaceted perspective from various online news sites and news aggregators. Takes work…thus most folks like their news curated, leading to blind spots in coverage. There is no such thing as any channel/news site delivering The News, only Some News.

kaycey2022 3y ago

>Africans don’t even get that. They are just completely and utterly ignored. Nothing that happens in South Sudan, in the Central African Republic, in Congo, in Ethiopia, in Mali, means anything to anyone who doesn’t live there. They don’t even get their existence acknowledged. This is perfectly OK. Attention is the problem. The more you are left to your own devices, the better chance you have to script your own success rather than be forced to become a pale imitation of someone else who doesn't even understand their own success.