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I wonder how much the demand for this vehicle has changed since it was first announced. I was definitely on the bandwagon from this thing from the first time I
by jehb 3y ago
I wonder how much the demand for this vehicle has changed since it was first announced.
I was definitely on the bandwagon from this thing from the first time I saw it. Four years of Elon's dumb antics and I now absolutely will not spend a dime at any company he's associated with.
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- qwertox 3y agoHow would exploitation be uncommon?
- btmiller 3y agoI really don’t know how useful a comment structured like this is. Were you trying to be helpful or hurtful? I think it’s better for you rather to +1 GP’s comment by adding your observations instead of only measuring their values against yours. Do better please.
- concordDance 3y agoThe latter would apply to basically every company on the planet and would mean you could only purchase from sole traders.
- adamrezich 3y agohow common do you think this perspective is? outside of places like this one, of course. as far as I can tell, the average person's perspective of the guy likely hasn't changed much in the past few years at all.
- mkii 3y agoIn a nation of embarrassed millionaires, I'm not surprised.
- adamrezich 3y agothis has nothing to do with it though. it's not that most normal people like him—it's just, most normal people don't spend any portion of their daily lives ruminating on how much they hate someone they've never met, who is much wealthier and more successful than themselves, to the point of repeatedly expressing said hate on the Internet... well, at least, since about 2020 or so.
- rglullis 3y agoThe whole tabloid industry and morning TV programming would like to have a word with you...
- adamrezich 3y agowhy? I'm well under 60
- adastra22 3y agoAlmost everyone I encounter dislikes Elon Musk. I'm not even talking about tech people, although I do live in Silicon Valley and that might bias things. My hair dresser, my wife's make-up artist friend and stay-at-home moms. My kids' teachers. For better or worse, even random Joe Q. Public knows who the richest man in the world is, and has some opinion on him. Everything he does is scrutinized by the media and put into some political or moral framework. Just like Bill Gates in the '90's, he's inescapable. But unlike Bill Gates and other prior holders of the richest-man title, Musk eschews any personal PR department and instead broadcasts to the world unfiltered takes. And by and large, people don't like what they see.
- oceanplexian 3y agoIf by, by-and-large, you mean a minority of vocal people in a coastal elite bubble, sure, they don’t like what they see. That sounds great to me.
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- blitz_skull 3y agoThis. I don’t personally know a single person outside of professional relationships that has this strong of an opinion on him.
- jghn 3y agoAt least where I live, a lot of people I know are turned off by him. Including expressing opinions like the OP where they intended on buying a Tesla but now are looking elsewhere. Granted I live in a bubble, and one's friends & acquaintances are another sort of bubble. But it's different than HN.
- insanitybit 3y agoA decade ago most people I knew thought of Elon neutral or even positively, he was just a figure that was doing good stuff with cars for the environment. At this point everyone I know thinks he's pathetic and a disgusting person. I don't know when the Cybertruck was announced initially, I believe Elon had already started to enter the public eye a bit more aggressively... but sentiment has definitely changed over the last ~8-9 years.
- jejeyyy77 3y agolol no-one gives af outside of small echo chambers. People want the best cool shit.
- CamperBob2 3y agoThe risk is that he will go much farther than he already has. If he comes out as a full-fledged neo-Nazi, which I wouldn't bet against given how erratically he has behaved lately, the value of Teslas on the used market will plummet.
- adamrezich 3y agohave you ever noticed how odd it is that the anti-Musk rhetoric is functionally identical to the anti-Trump rhetoric of 2016–2020, and also how no new Reichs were started 2016–2020, such that one can conclude that perhaps takes like this are possibly a hair hyperbolic in nature, and should maybe be reevaluted a bit before terms such as "neo-Nazi" completely lose any remaining weight they might have?
- mongol 3y agoDid you miss January 6?
- rpmisms 3y agoI don't think anybody missed it, but many people experienced far worse in their own cities during the "Summer of Love" in 2020. Nobody I know cares about J6 except as a political football.
- CamperBob2 3y agoMan, you guys would be so screwed if you didn't have the "Summer of Love" to fall back on when someone criticizes your personality cult. You should contemplate that sometime, just as an exercise. What would it be like to live in a world where whataboutism doesn't amount to a cheat code to summon the easily-led? One where your beliefs, opinions, arguments, and actions actually have to stand on their own, without reference to unrelated crimes committed by other people in a different time and place.
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- aranelsurion 3y agoI'd expect somewhere in between the strong negativity on the Internet and total obliviousness. Average person probably doesn't consciously register all that is happening and can't tell you about the past weeks' drama, but I think there's a certain point where too much negativity attached to a brand starts to drag it down, and Tesla might have reached that point. I'm not saying it certainly has, but a few years back the outlook on Tesla was so overwhelmingly positive, you'd have to actively seek out criticism on your own. At least nowadays sentiment on them seem to have returned back to Earth.
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- makeitdouble 3y agoI think you're underestimating how much people love drama. Average people don't give a shit about what CEOs do, except when they fire half of a very public company and there's stupid stories to be shared for weeks and weeks. Same way people still remember Carlos Gohn, when they probably couldn't name WV's CEO.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoI will take your reservation if you have one. I have one, but am looking for a second. I can like the cars but not like Elon, very little nuance required in holding the position [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37949037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37949037
- ginko 3y ago> I have one, but am looking for a second. holy consoomer
- toomuchtodo 3y agoMoney is to be spent to buy happiness and fun.
- ginko 3y agoYes, don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products.
- flashback2199 3y agoSays who?
- CamperBob2 3y agoI don't think they're transferable.
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- dcdc123 3y agoI canceled my reservation over a year ago.
- m3kw9 3y agoThese guys care about superficial things when likely the current car they brought has a similar “bad guy” that had a hand in making his vehicle. Ignorance at its best
- hobofan 3y agoI don't think you will find a lot of other CEOs of car companies publicly promoting antisemitism and most recently QAnon-type conspiracies.
- ahepp 3y agoI don't think I disagree with you in principle, but it's interesting to note that Henry Ford published a four volume book "The International Jew, the World's Foremost Problem". And Volkswagen was founded by the Nazis.
- dkonofalski 3y agoAnd what does that have to do with the people buying those cars now? It would be one thing if people were buying those cars and that was still going on. That's why this is different.
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- concordDance 3y agoI continue to be puzzled by people's strong opinions on Elon. He's says dumb things on social media but there seem to be unusually strong sacred contagion effects from that. Buying petrol from Shell or cereal from Nestle? No problem. Buying a Model 3 from Tesla? No way! Honestly, I'd be surprised if there weren't a ton of people with the same views on immigration or trans issues or covid or whatever, each associated with a company you buy from every year. Though personally, I always thought Cybertruck looked pretty naff.
- r3d0c 3y agoah yes the "you live in society yet you criticize it" logic, you think i have a choice in the fact that we live in a fossil fuel car dependant society? what a shallow unnuanced "critique", on brand for this website
- alistairSH 3y agoIt’s hard to divorce the man from his companies. Recent revelations about labor abuse/accidents at his factories. Forcing his companies to respond to media queries with poop emojis. The shitshow that is self-driving (and the marketing thereof). The scammy auto insurance offered by Tesla. The list goes on.
- Thaxll 3y agoHe's also a very racist person.
- ovao 3y agoI’d be curious to know why you’d say that.
- iscrewyou 3y agoBuying petrol doesn’t apply if someone is already looking for an electric vehicle. There’s plenty of cereal brands to choose from. Same as electric vehicles/trucks. Everyone has opinions to what they choose to spend money on…and people generally do that when given more than one choice.
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- fasteddie31003 3y agoCan you name the specifics of Elon's dumb antics? I can think of a couple of dumb Tweets, but on the whole, I think he is more right than wrong on his takes, he just has less of a filter than most people.
- IntelMiner 3y agoThere's not enough characters in a single HackerNews comment to truly show every fucking insane thing he's done over the last X (ha-ha!) number of years But you definitely knew that, deep down
- tycho-newman 3y ago> Can you name the specifics of Elon's dumb antics? Isn't there a rule about not being snarky?
- billti 3y agoYou seem to be getting downvoted, but I agree with you to a large extent. He does say a ton of stuff I disagree with, sometimes strongly, but I also know if most other CEOs were as public and unfiltered they'd probably fair even worse in aligning with my positions on many issues. When I'm thinking where to spend my money, I do appreciate that Tesla (and SpaceX) push the boundaries in high-tech industries, and that much of the R&D and manufacturing spend goes to employees in my home country.
- xenadu02 3y agoHe used to be politically neutral but seems to have adopted a right-wing viewpoint that is getting increasingly right-wing over time. Not an extremist by any means but a definite shift. It started around the time he got into a scuffle with the Democratic administration over union issues so maybe it isn't a real shift just being opportunistic. Maybe it is just perception and I'm off-base. As an investor in Tesla's IPO I find some of his behavior erratic and worrying. I certainly can't diagnose anyone and don't know the man personally. But sometimes he gives the impression he's abusing stimulants to stay awake for 72 hour stints. I worry about his health. I worry about how some of his decisions might negatively affect Tesla or SpaceX. In the past he was known for appreciating contrary views and opposed yes-men but it seems like he is surrounded more and more by such people who say what he wants to hear in an attempt to leech off him. Again I don't have any personal knowledge but it is another worry that any rich person has to face. I hope I'm wrong about this. The thing I'm most disappointed about is his moving from CA to TX to avoid income taxes. The startup ecosystem, local infrastructure, education system, and many other factors that make California the global center of startups and innovation are paid for by those taxes. Or at least the region needs to pay for infrastructure, housing, etc to make it possible for such a system to function. Elon effectively declared "screw you future generations, I got mine". Did moving to avoid income tax make him immoral? No. Was it illegal? No. But I hate that kind of thinking. You made your bones here in CA, now that you have more money than you can ever spend in a lifetime you want to bail to avoid paying into the system that made it all possible? I want to be clear here: Elon is within his rights to do that. I'm not calling him a sinner. I just personally find it incredibly disappointing and demonstrative of a lack of appreciation for the factors that made him successful. edit: I still own a Tesla vehicle. I still own shares. I still support SpaceX's mission. I don't fault anyone for being a fan of his, I'm just not as much anymore and I find that regrettable because he used to be focused on such grand and important things. edit2: Twitter is also such a massive and pointless distraction born out of being personally offended that they were fact-checking and moderating some of his tweets. The world would be better off if he were focused on Tesla and SpaceX. Instead he's out there swearing at advertisers and doing petty things like removing verified checkmarks or banning prominent people who say bad things about him on Twitter - despite his purported support of "Free Speech". All of this is demonstration of extremely thin skin and lack of perspective.
- owenpalmer 3y agoNot buying from Tesla because you hate Elon is just as silly as buying from Tesla because you love Elon.
- sophacles 3y agoWell no, buying from Tesla gives Elon money and legitimacy. If you don't like Musk, why would you contribute to his success?
- mensetmanusman 3y agospacex and tesla already gave elon enough legitimacy for the history books.
- kibwen 3y agoHenry Ford and Wernher von Braun are also in the history books, but not always in the ways they might have hoped for.
- sophacles 3y agoSure but there's still plenty of time to see if those histories will be the fawning sycophancy required by the totalitarian regimes he openly advocates for, the story of a brilliant businessman who was batshit insane (a la Ford) or the humorous tale of a fool who lucked into a few $billion and then squandered it all on an empire of trash.
- golol 3y agoMusk may be an asshole boss and he may post cringy right wing opinions on X, but trying to boycott his businesses based on those actions is quite disproportionate compared to the behaviors whole industries are engaging in regularly. Elon and his companies are in no way worse for the world than the average car manufacturer or businessman.
- axlee 3y agoHe's simply trying to dismantle the Swedish social contract right now, but he's a good boy you see? Let's make him richer and gain more influence!
- renewiltord 3y agoHow much to purchase the reservation from you? Early model numbers will go for a premium and I'm going to flip as many as I can. I guarantee no additional money will go to Elon Musk. I'll keep it myself.
- richardw 3y agoThere are definitely times I’ll take on a personal cost because of my principles. But he’s pretty far removed from your actual life and there are other factors. There are good people in the company and it’s the best current shot at competing with eg China. Fair chance almost all electric cars are made by China in 20 years. I’d rather deal with a flaky CEO who also happens to generate massive economic benefits for my country. (But that’s me, obviously everyone has that choice to make. And if Tesla was Russian I’d be right there with you so maybe I’m full of it :)
- metabagel 3y ago> There are good people in the company There are a lot of reports that he doesn't treat employees well, at Tesla as well as Twitter. https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/16/23833447/tesla-elon-musk-ultra-hardcore-employees-land-of-the-giants https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/16/23833447/tesla-elon-musk-...
- richardw 3y agoI say some of A are good. You say B is bad to A. Those two statements can both be true.
- j0hnyl 3y agoI think if anything demand is greater now.
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- re5i5tor 3y ago> Four years of Elon's dumb antics and I now absolutely will not spend a dime at any company he's associated with. Exactly my feelings. Edit: actually disagree with “antics” — that softens reality — he’s telling us exactly who he is by his actions.
- NotYourLawyer 3y agoI don’t care about Elon one way or the other. But the fact that he’s skewing more right wing in the last couple of years probably makes the truck more acceptable to drive in rural areas. It’s still gonna look weird, but I suspect people will not throw rocks at it the way they might have previously.
- metabagel 3y agoThey’ll still “roll coal” on you though.
- NotYourLawyer 3y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhCHHTLjrcc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhCHHTLjrcc
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- 29athrowaway 3y agoYeah, let's be a uniplanetary species and get extinct because someone on Twitter is wrong! That is a real vision for our species.
- goalonetwo 3y agoWild to me that SO many people buy a car based on what other people will think more than based on the actual capabilities of the car. But then this is Tesla so I'm not surprised.
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