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I love these stories of sci-fi movie diasasters. There are just as many insane stories of "amazing this classic ever got made". On the topic of disasters, I r

by RajT88 3y ago

I love these stories of sci-fi movie diasasters. There are just as many insane stories of "amazing this classic ever got made". On the topic of disasters, I recommend reading about The Starlost: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starlost https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starlost

dylan604 3y ago
Sounds like Jodorwsky's Dune[0] where it's famous for not getting made. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodorowsky%27s_Dune https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodorowsky%27s_Dune
- nihiven 3y ago
  I would love to see how insane a 10-14 hour Dune movie would be. No intermission I'm sure.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    I wouldn't mind sitting in a screening of Dune pt1 followed by Dune pt2 when it comes out. Sounds like something Alamo would do. While not 10-14 hours, I would be willing to sit in the theater for 4-5 hours.
    - AdamJacobMuller 3y ago
      AMC by me did all 3 LOTR films in 3 nights just before the hobbit came out. I enjoyed it a lot but by god by the time the 3rd movie ended I was done, and then I still had to sit through another 45 minutes of endings. (Best movies ever)
  - RajT88 3y ago
    I would watch it. My wife would probably head to her sister's for the weekend.
  - frfl 3y ago
    Slightly unrelated, but there is a 19 hour fan-edit of the Hobbit + Lord of the Rings -- i.e someone glued all 3 Hobbit movies and all 3 LotR movies into a 19 hour video.
    - usrusr 3y ago
      I believe that a 90 minutes cut of matrix 2+3 could be actually enjoyable.
      - mavhc 3y ago
        "people copied our cool effects for Matrix 1, what if we make the action scenes so long and expensive no one would even bother to copy them because they all went home before they were over?"
    - AdamJacobMuller 3y ago
      Hopefully that's 19 hours of LOTR with the 2-3 hours of the hobbit which was good.
      - frfl 3y ago
        No, it's uncut, all deleted scenes, extended version of all movies if I'm not mistaken. It's not a "remix" edit, the 19 hour one I'm referring to. https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/bo8how/middle_earth_chronological_complete_edition/ https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/bo8how/middle_ear...
      - dylan604 3y ago
        In the "2-3 hours of the hobbit which was good" are you including the animated versions as well? I'd be hard pressed to find 2-3 hours from the travesty that Jackson made
        dmos62 3y ago
        What didn't you like about it?
  - hinkley 3y ago
    SciFi did a miniseries, just before or just after they changed their name. It wasn't bad. I think it was about 10 hours. The problem is that a lot of the payoff is at the end of book 3, and then book four tips the whole thing upside down with some deep religious and philosophical elements that I'm not sure everyone is ready for. I'm always a little surprised how few people have read Dune relative to Lord of the Rings, but the more I think about Dune the more I get it.
    - dylan604 3y ago
      >with some deep religious and philosophical elements that I'm not sure everyone is ready for. This is how I felt about Battlestar. I barely remember watching the original series as a kid, but I just remember a couple of character names, Cylons (which I thought were cool), the space ships, and the human in the dark room ontop of the pyramid shape the Cylons talked to. That was it. Then I watched the reboot, and was shocked by the religious overtones. Clearly, I never researched anything about it until that point, and then it all made sense. I'm nervous about Buck Rogers (biddybiddup, what's up Buck!) might turn out the same way on a reboot.
      - bigmattystyles 3y ago
        Religious overtones or are ancient religious texts the original sci-fi where its adherents a few generations removed never got the memo? Only kinda joking. I too picked up on battlestar, resurrection, the twelve tribes (or colonies?) lords ok Kobol and so on. I think someone told me at some point the original was Mormons in space.
        Galacta7 3y ago
        The original show's creator, Glen Larson, was a Mormon - so it tracks that the show incorporated a lot of that theology. Also, one of the main antagonists is Count Iblis, someone who seeks to lead the colonists to follow him, though he is revealed to be essentially a prince of darkness. "Iblis" is the Islamic name for Satan, so another religious element. Even his backstory is similar to the Abrahamic view of the devil, "he [Count Iblis] was previously a Being of Light who fell from grace after using his powers for evil purposes." Ron Moore's reimagined version of Battlestar includes strong themes of reincarnation and life being a cycle, which also tracks with Moore's past interest in Hinduism and other Eastern religions.
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- no_wizard 3y ago
  IMO Dune needs to be a tv show that likely runs several seasons so all the world and backstory can be explored properly so the audience can get a full experience. Think The Wire in terms of plot discovery and forwarding (leaves out bogus exposition, means you have to pay attention to get things etc that moves along at a good pace and has forward development each episode. It would be expensive, but it’s the only way I can imagine Dune being done to its fullest extent on screen
  - bmelton 3y ago
    The problem is that nobody wants to acquire Dune to be a critical success. It needs to be a commercial success. This of course implies the addition of much lazier exposition than The Wire, which IIRC never had more than about 4 million viewers. I'm sure it's different in the streaming era, but more and more, audiences are making it clear that they are definitely not tuning in to shows that require thought.
    - afterburner 3y ago
      Eventually special effects will become so easy to do well that a cheaply produced Dune will capture all its facets. Although you'll still need a good writer to make it compelling.
      - c0pium 3y ago
        If the source material was better it would be easier. The first book is ok but it’s all downhill from there, and fast.
        tsimionescu 3y ago
        I would say the opposite. The first book is good, but pretty typical sci-fi fantasy fare. The next books are what really fleshes out a really interesting concept, this universe where humanity is far more advanced than today in a humanist way instead of technologically. They also help make the point of the first book clear - that Paul wasn't a hero, but a tyrant. This is easily lost in the first book because of the comparison with the Harkonen and the previous Emperor, and because we're used to rooting for the main character. But Herbert's point wasn't to further the myth of the philosopher king, but to dismantle it - which is quite rare in fiction, and made extremely clear throughout the series. I'd also say that the exploration of Leto II's psychology in the God Emperor of Dune was the most interesting writing in the series, so that's what I'd consider the pretty clear high point.
- phatfish 3y ago
  The documentary is very good. Conjures a perfect film adaptation in your imagination.
rolph 3y ago
the "can i be of assistance" interface always reminded me of al jafee
- RajT88 3y ago
  That guy seemed really annoyed the whole time. It was strange!
  - rolph 3y ago
    in retrospect the ark was in trouble, perhaps the AI was applying the emotive context in response to questions that are a misdirection of effort, considering the situation.
- rolph 3y ago
  Re: "can i be of assistance" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069638/mediaviewer/rm1947347968?ft0=name&fv0=nm0652039&ft1=image_type&fv1=still_frame&ref_=tt_ch https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069638/mediaviewer/rm194734796... Occasionally, they are aided (or hindered) in their travels by the ship's frustrating and only partially-functioning computer system interface, known as Mu Lambda 165 (portrayed by William Osler, who also provided the opening narration for each episode). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starlost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starlost final paragraph of the premise
burningChrome 3y ago
Reminds me of the outrage over the $100M budget of Water World and how it barely got made. Today, a $100M budget is nothing. We've already had several $300M budget films this year. Hollywood can be so crazy sometimes.
- jiggawatts 3y ago
  Adjust those for inflation, and also the larger market these days (more international viewers paying nearly full price).
- atombender 3y ago
  $100m in 1995 would be $200m today, mind you. It was an expensive movie.
a_t48 3y ago
Is The Starlost worth watching? The episode summaries look neat, but the reception/reviews don’t look so good.
- cpeterso 3y ago
  Wikipedia says The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction described the show as "dire" and The Best of Science Fiction TV included the show on its list of "Worst Science Fiction Shows of All Time”. But the full episodes are available on YouTube, so as a fan of 70s sci-fi, I’ll decide for myself. :)
- RajT88 3y ago
  It had some talent behind the writing, Ursula K. Le Guin, Harlan Ellison. For the first few episodes it seemed legit and to be going somewhere, but lost its way at some point. Production values were always quite low, but not that much different from Dr. Who from the same period. I rate it as worthwhile from a sci fi archeology perspective, but not good in any traditional sense.

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dylan604 3y ago

Sounds like Jodorwsky's Dune[0] where it's famous for not getting made. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodorowsky%27s_Dune https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodorowsky%27s_Dune

nihiven 3y ago
I would love to see how insane a 10-14 hour Dune movie would be. No intermission I'm sure.
- dylan604 3y ago
  I wouldn't mind sitting in a screening of Dune pt1 followed by Dune pt2 when it comes out. Sounds like something Alamo would do. While not 10-14 hours, I would be willing to sit in the theater for 4-5 hours.
  - AdamJacobMuller 3y ago
    AMC by me did all 3 LOTR films in 3 nights just before the hobbit came out. I enjoyed it a lot but by god by the time the 3rd movie ended I was done, and then I still had to sit through another 45 minutes of endings. (Best movies ever)
- RajT88 3y ago
  I would watch it. My wife would probably head to her sister's for the weekend.
- frfl 3y ago
  Slightly unrelated, but there is a 19 hour fan-edit of the Hobbit + Lord of the Rings -- i.e someone glued all 3 Hobbit movies and all 3 LotR movies into a 19 hour video.
  - usrusr 3y ago
    I believe that a 90 minutes cut of matrix 2+3 could be actually enjoyable.
    - mavhc 3y ago
      "people copied our cool effects for Matrix 1, what if we make the action scenes so long and expensive no one would even bother to copy them because they all went home before they were over?"
  - AdamJacobMuller 3y ago
    Hopefully that's 19 hours of LOTR with the 2-3 hours of the hobbit which was good.
    - frfl 3y ago
      No, it's uncut, all deleted scenes, extended version of all movies if I'm not mistaken. It's not a "remix" edit, the 19 hour one I'm referring to. https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/bo8how/middle_earth_chronological_complete_edition/ https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/bo8how/middle_ear...
    - dylan604 3y ago
      In the "2-3 hours of the hobbit which was good" are you including the animated versions as well? I'd be hard pressed to find 2-3 hours from the travesty that Jackson made
      - dmos62 3y ago
        What didn't you like about it?
- hinkley 3y ago
  SciFi did a miniseries, just before or just after they changed their name. It wasn't bad. I think it was about 10 hours. The problem is that a lot of the payoff is at the end of book 3, and then book four tips the whole thing upside down with some deep religious and philosophical elements that I'm not sure everyone is ready for. I'm always a little surprised how few people have read Dune relative to Lord of the Rings, but the more I think about Dune the more I get it.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    >with some deep religious and philosophical elements that I'm not sure everyone is ready for. This is how I felt about Battlestar. I barely remember watching the original series as a kid, but I just remember a couple of character names, Cylons (which I thought were cool), the space ships, and the human in the dark room ontop of the pyramid shape the Cylons talked to. That was it. Then I watched the reboot, and was shocked by the religious overtones. Clearly, I never researched anything about it until that point, and then it all made sense. I'm nervous about Buck Rogers (biddybiddup, what's up Buck!) might turn out the same way on a reboot.
    - bigmattystyles 3y ago
      Religious overtones or are ancient religious texts the original sci-fi where its adherents a few generations removed never got the memo? Only kinda joking. I too picked up on battlestar, resurrection, the twelve tribes (or colonies?) lords ok Kobol and so on. I think someone told me at some point the original was Mormons in space.
      - Galacta7 3y ago
        The original show's creator, Glen Larson, was a Mormon - so it tracks that the show incorporated a lot of that theology. Also, one of the main antagonists is Count Iblis, someone who seeks to lead the colonists to follow him, though he is revealed to be essentially a prince of darkness. "Iblis" is the Islamic name for Satan, so another religious element. Even his backstory is similar to the Abrahamic view of the devil, "he [Count Iblis] was previously a Being of Light who fell from grace after using his powers for evil purposes." Ron Moore's reimagined version of Battlestar includes strong themes of reincarnation and life being a cycle, which also tracks with Moore's past interest in Hinduism and other Eastern religions.
- deleted 3y ago
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no_wizard 3y ago
IMO Dune needs to be a tv show that likely runs several seasons so all the world and backstory can be explored properly so the audience can get a full experience. Think The Wire in terms of plot discovery and forwarding (leaves out bogus exposition, means you have to pay attention to get things etc that moves along at a good pace and has forward development each episode. It would be expensive, but it’s the only way I can imagine Dune being done to its fullest extent on screen
- bmelton 3y ago
  The problem is that nobody wants to acquire Dune to be a critical success. It needs to be a commercial success. This of course implies the addition of much lazier exposition than The Wire, which IIRC never had more than about 4 million viewers. I'm sure it's different in the streaming era, but more and more, audiences are making it clear that they are definitely not tuning in to shows that require thought.
  - afterburner 3y ago
    Eventually special effects will become so easy to do well that a cheaply produced Dune will capture all its facets. Although you'll still need a good writer to make it compelling.
    - c0pium 3y ago
      If the source material was better it would be easier. The first book is ok but it’s all downhill from there, and fast.
      - tsimionescu 3y ago
        I would say the opposite. The first book is good, but pretty typical sci-fi fantasy fare. The next books are what really fleshes out a really interesting concept, this universe where humanity is far more advanced than today in a humanist way instead of technologically. They also help make the point of the first book clear - that Paul wasn't a hero, but a tyrant. This is easily lost in the first book because of the comparison with the Harkonen and the previous Emperor, and because we're used to rooting for the main character. But Herbert's point wasn't to further the myth of the philosopher king, but to dismantle it - which is quite rare in fiction, and made extremely clear throughout the series. I'd also say that the exploration of Leto II's psychology in the God Emperor of Dune was the most interesting writing in the series, so that's what I'd consider the pretty clear high point.
phatfish 3y ago
The documentary is very good. Conjures a perfect film adaptation in your imagination.

rolph 3y ago

the "can i be of assistance" interface always reminded me of al jafee

RajT88 3y ago
That guy seemed really annoyed the whole time. It was strange!
- rolph 3y ago
  in retrospect the ark was in trouble, perhaps the AI was applying the emotive context in response to questions that are a misdirection of effort, considering the situation.
rolph 3y ago
Re: "can i be of assistance" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069638/mediaviewer/rm1947347968?ft0=name&fv0=nm0652039&ft1=image_type&fv1=still_frame&ref_=tt_ch https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069638/mediaviewer/rm194734796... Occasionally, they are aided (or hindered) in their travels by the ship's frustrating and only partially-functioning computer system interface, known as Mu Lambda 165 (portrayed by William Osler, who also provided the opening narration for each episode). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starlost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Starlost final paragraph of the premise

burningChrome 3y ago

Reminds me of the outrage over the $100M budget of Water World and how it barely got made. Today, a $100M budget is nothing. We've already had several $300M budget films this year. Hollywood can be so crazy sometimes.

jiggawatts 3y ago
Adjust those for inflation, and also the larger market these days (more international viewers paying nearly full price).
atombender 3y ago
$100m in 1995 would be $200m today, mind you. It was an expensive movie.

a_t48 3y ago

Is The Starlost worth watching? The episode summaries look neat, but the reception/reviews don’t look so good.

cpeterso 3y ago
Wikipedia says The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction described the show as "dire" and The Best of Science Fiction TV included the show on its list of "Worst Science Fiction Shows of All Time”. But the full episodes are available on YouTube, so as a fan of 70s sci-fi, I’ll decide for myself. :)
RajT88 3y ago
It had some talent behind the writing, Ursula K. Le Guin, Harlan Ellison. For the first few episodes it seemed legit and to be going somewhere, but lost its way at some point. Production values were always quite low, but not that much different from Dr. Who from the same period. I rate it as worthwhile from a sci fi archeology perspective, but not good in any traditional sense.