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I still have that old image from when I was a kid; it’s still relevant, though it was initially against IE… https://frostland.fr/adopt-firefox.jpg https://frost

I still have that old image from when I was a kid; it’s still relevant, though it was initially against IE… https://frostland.fr/adopt-firefox.jpg https://frostland.fr/adopt-firefox.jpg Ironically I’m using Safari (and I love it).

ducktective 3y ago
>Ironically I’m using Safari (and I love it). on iDevices?
- frizlab 3y ago
  And on my Mac. Safari does not exist elsewhere anyway (anymore). I hope Kagi will succeed in bringing a credible alternative (Webkit) to chromium or Gecko on Windows/Linux, but it’ll take time even if they do it!
  - mholm 3y ago
    I really like Kagi Orion and hope it can succeed, but the keychain integration is still severely lacking, and also is my favorite advantage of safari. Maybe there are settings I'm missing, but migrating everything over to their keychain still has a substantially worse experience. No auto-filling, requires swapping all devices over to it, and seems much less aware of which password to suggest. It upsets me that Apple has Safari behind a usability moat like this, though someone has suggested that the recent mac/ios update has provided safari keychain access to third parties.
lapetitejort 3y ago
I remember while there was a push to adopt Firefox, there was another reactionary push against "alternate browsers", most likely from web devs who were frustrated that they had to support something other than Internet Explorer. What an interesting time.
- vehemenz 3y ago
  Now they will unironically push back against Safari for not using enough bleeding-edge APIs. The lesson here is that web developers only have their own interests in mind, and what they want isn't necessarily what's best for the web.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    > The lesson here is that web developers only have their own interests in mind, and what they want isn't necessarily what's best for the web. True, but it's even more insidious than that. A ton of web devs seem to believe that what's in their own best interest is what's best for the web.
  - lost_tourist 3y ago
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rodrattt 3y ago
Web devs seem to love to sh*t on Safari for not adopting all the latest let-your-browser-do-this stuff, often calling it the new IE. However I use it as my main browser with Wipr for ad-blocking and it's glorious. I've tried FF many times and also Opera, Brave (ooh boy!) and Chrome and some other browsers and always come back to Safari. I don't think devs realise I don't want my browser to have more and more access and control. It's great for thin computing but is there really some distinction now to thin computing than the early Chromebook days? I don't think so. All I really want is a moderately effective way of blocking ads and snooping. Giving websites more control isn't going to achieve that. Ofc I could always delve into the tech and get this add-on or that thing but where does that end‽ Strangely enough, the one browser I've found that would challenge Safari most for me is duckduckgo's browser, it's simple and functional.

ducktective 3y ago

>Ironically I’m using Safari (and I love it). on iDevices?

frizlab 3y ago
And on my Mac. Safari does not exist elsewhere anyway (anymore). I hope Kagi will succeed in bringing a credible alternative (Webkit) to chromium or Gecko on Windows/Linux, but it’ll take time even if they do it!
- mholm 3y ago
  I really like Kagi Orion and hope it can succeed, but the keychain integration is still severely lacking, and also is my favorite advantage of safari. Maybe there are settings I'm missing, but migrating everything over to their keychain still has a substantially worse experience. No auto-filling, requires swapping all devices over to it, and seems much less aware of which password to suggest. It upsets me that Apple has Safari behind a usability moat like this, though someone has suggested that the recent mac/ios update has provided safari keychain access to third parties.

lapetitejort 3y ago

I remember while there was a push to adopt Firefox, there was another reactionary push against "alternate browsers", most likely from web devs who were frustrated that they had to support something other than Internet Explorer. What an interesting time.

vehemenz 3y ago
Now they will unironically push back against Safari for not using enough bleeding-edge APIs. The lesson here is that web developers only have their own interests in mind, and what they want isn't necessarily what's best for the web.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > The lesson here is that web developers only have their own interests in mind, and what they want isn't necessarily what's best for the web. True, but it's even more insidious than that. A ton of web devs seem to believe that what's in their own best interest is what's best for the web.
- lost_tourist 3y ago
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rodrattt 3y ago

Web devs seem to love to sh*t on Safari for not adopting all the latest let-your-browser-do-this stuff, often calling it the new IE. However I use it as my main browser with Wipr for ad-blocking and it's glorious. I've tried FF many times and also Opera, Brave (ooh boy!) and Chrome and some other browsers and always come back to Safari. I don't think devs realise I don't want my browser to have more and more access and control. It's great for thin computing but is there really some distinction now to thin computing than the early Chromebook days? I don't think so. All I really want is a moderately effective way of blocking ads and snooping. Giving websites more control isn't going to achieve that. Ofc I could always delve into the tech and get this add-on or that thing but where does that end‽ Strangely enough, the one browser I've found that would challenge Safari most for me is duckduckgo's browser, it's simple and functional.