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Toyota SUV adverts banned in UK on environmental grounds
- mvdtnz 3y agoHilux is not an SUV. I don't see the point in banning a car ad from 3 years ago when the vehicle has undergone a facelift since - it seems unlikely that the ad would still be shown at all at this point.
- pharmakom 3y agoIt sets a precedent that might be policed to future ads.
- ChainOfFools 3y agoHonestly that engine, although famously mythologised by clarkson etc. as being nigh-indestructible, is horrendously bad on fuel economy and rather underpowered on top of that. At least this is the case for the Tacoma pickup version of that aging mill, and 4Runner which is sold in the states. Maybe there are other options for the Hilux in Europe but it's really time for Toyota to recognize that rather fewer than 1 in 10 Hilux owners are going to be driving the trucks off of cliff faces or across the polar ice gaps, and the putative trade off of reliability and durability for fuel economy needs to be revisited in light of how the thing is actually used.
- porkbeer 3y ago"That engine" the 22r/22re has not been used in new cars for at least 30 years. The economy was quite good, particularly considering the weight of the car and the 1950s design. The Tacoma never used that engine.
- grecy 3y ago“That engine” was a turbo diesel never sold in North America, not the 22re
- hgomersall 3y agoWhat's hilarious is the defence that the whole thing was fabricated in CG. Effectively: it's ok because we're misleading viewers as to what they're seeing and they know it.
- Lio 3y agoSUV adverts are just so deliberately weird. Somehow they get away with showing the streets being always empty as if it's permanently the World Cup Final on a Bank Holiday. The truth is you'll probably be driving in traffic or crawling in a traffic jam… of which you are the cause. They'll never, ever show someone struggling to park one in a standard space at an urban supermarket.
- k99x55 3y agoSUVs should be banned. They are much more likely to kill when hitting pedestrians and cyclists. No reason for oversize overweight vehicles in our public spaces. Its a public health hazard.
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- talldatethrow 3y agoWhy not just ban all cars? Any car is a huge health hazard for pedestrians compared to a bike. But even bikes are dangerous. If we all walked, we'd be safer. Only delivery trucks from here on out!
- tinyspacewizard 3y agoLike most public policy issues, a balance needs to be struck. Typical SUV trips could easily be done in a lighter vehicle or even no vehicle at all.
- sentientslug 3y agoMoronic comment. Have you ever considered that some people have multiple children?
- tzs 3y agoAds showing traffic jams could actually help promote large cars. If it was a long crawl through a traffic jam every time I went to get groceries I'd be tempted to get a good sized garage ready freezer [1] and a larger car so I would only need to drive to the grocery store once or twice a month. There's a small grocery store within walking distance that is too expensive and doesn't have enough variety to be my main grocery store but would work for those things that won't keep for a month. [1] A normal home freezer that is part of a fridge/freezer is typically is designed to work in a room around 55-110℉ (13-43℃) and a normal stand alone home freezer typically works down to 32℉ (0℃). A "garage ready" freezer is one designed to work when the room temperature is 0-110℉ (-18-43℃) so if you don't have room in the house you can put it in your garage.
- andersrs 3y agoSUVs are pure fuck you I got mine individualism. They make the road more dangerous for pedestrians and even other drivers due to their size. And the reasons people give for owning them are usually bullshit. They're not even more spacious than a van. And the pickup trucks keep getting shorter in the back and longer in the front so the utility is getting worse every year. Unfortunately it has now become an arms race whereby people are almost forced to get a big vehicle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo
- jeegsy 3y agoThe error here is that people have somehow been convinced that they need to give a reason. I think "because I like it" as far as reasons go is good and comprehensive enough.
- eggy 3y agoTotally agree. As long as it's been sussed out as available to purchase legally, who is anybody to tell others what they can or cannot buy? So many people looking at other people's backyards and not their own in most cases.
- _Wintermute 3y agoIf they remained in people's backyards then it wouldn't be an issue, however they're used and often stored in public spaces. So I think it is valid for other people to have an opinion about these things.
- eggy 3y agoAgree on opinion, not censoring ads of CG pickup trucks used mainly by workers in industry, not your family's SUV...
- eggy 3y agoI saw a tequila ad the other day where a guy carelessly drives a motorboat into a swimming pool and other shenanigans. Alcohol is involved in 80% of all violet crimes. Are you for censoring beer and liquor ads on Youtube or other places? Are you for alcohol prohibition? Probably not in all likelihood.
- asplake 3y agoThe rot started with “self-charging hybrid”.
- stuaxo 3y agoThe first time I saw that I laughed at the audacity, absolute cynical bullshit by the industry.
- clhodapp 3y agoWait, do folks in the UK refer to what we Americans call "pickup trucks" as SUVs?
- sdflhasjd 3y agoWell, I would rebut and ask why you call a 4x4 with a little open-roof boot a "truck". I think most would refer to this as a "pickup", but I can easily see how this new Hilux is more of an SUV than any kind of real 4x4 offroad truck.
- morrbo 3y ago"Cries for attention"
- jjgreen 3y ago.. or Chelsea tractors (Chelsea being a rich suburb of London) https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/07/stereotype-of-chelsea-tractor-reflects-reality-of-urban-suv-sales-says-report https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/07/stereoty...
- crote 3y agoPickup trucks are pretty much a rounding error over in Europe. Considering that the Hilux is marketed as the bastard child of an offroad vehicle and passenger car, calling it an SUV isn't too much of a stretch.
- secretsatan 3y agoYou just don't see many pickups at all in the UK or Europe, only really as obviously imported ones (Usually the really annoyingly big ones). Their roles are filled by various vans, small trucks or trailers. Probably an unsecured storage area would seem insane to most people from the UK unless you actually needed it for a trade
- dontlaugh 3y agoExactly, every single builder or similar has a van. It can be locked and it doesn't rain inside.
- euroderf 3y agoa great number sticker I saw on the net. "I'm changing the climate! Ask me how."
- euroderf 3y agoedit: *bumper
- rasz 3y agoToyota Hilux ‘born to roam’ campaign is fully organic. Example video by random African influencers: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/180cwwm/a_mob_of_rsf_and_allied_tribesmen_storm_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/180cwwm/a_mo...
- Paianni 3y agoI think the 'SUVs driving through empty cities' ads are worse.
- _fat_santa 3y agoI don't know how big offroading is in the UK but here in the US offroading is really big and the Tacoma (closest thing we have to the Hilux) is one of the most popular options. While I concede that there should be questions about the environmental impact of all of it, I overall think it's a net positive to get people outdoors, and offroading is another avenue that people can use. I think the agency is missing the forest for the trees here, you want to encourage people to get out and about. When you only consider the emissions it's a net negative, but when you extrapolate and start thinking about the benefits to society when you have more people going out, being active, etc, it becomes a net positive. Also typically you do not do much driving (distance wise) when offroad. Average speeds are anywhere between 10-30MPH depending on what you're going over and it's typically over relatively short distances (10 miles offroad might take you an hour+ to traverse).
- zarzavat 3y agoMost of the UK is either agricultural land, towns, or a few national parks. There’s not really anywhere to go offroading. The main reason people buy SUVs is for status, to pick up kids from school, that’s why they have the nickname “Chelsea tractors”. UK streets were designed for horses, not cars, thus a lot of people don’t really like them because they don’t fit.
- LeafItAlone 3y agoAt face value, it doesn’t seem like encouraging more off-roading is a positive for the environment. I’ve been involved in some very light off roading, but nothing like what comes to mind for most people. https://tpwd.texas.gov/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_rp_t3200_1081.pdf https://tpwd.texas.gov/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_rp_t32... > While I concede that there should be questions about the environmental impact of all of it, I overall think it's a net positive to get people outdoors, and offroading is another avenue that people can use. I fully encourage getting people outdoors more, but surely we must balance the relative impacts. And to be clear, I don’t have enough information on which way to land on this particular question.
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