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- m_ke 3y agoSome anonymous dissenting views I've come across from OpenAI employees: - https://www.teamblind.com/post/OpenAI-employees-did-you-sign-the-petition-out-of-fear-OU4uvcyt https://www.teamblind.com/post/OpenAI-employees-did-you-sign... - https://www.reddit.com/user/Anxious_Bandicoot126 https://www.reddit.com/user/Anxious_Bandicoot126
- xena 3y agoI'm the mirrorer of that gist, how do you disable comments on a gist?
- minimaxir 3y agoIf you're wondering why the comments are a trainwreck, it's because Elon tweeted it: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1727096607752282485 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1727096607752282485
- xena 3y agoYes, that's why I want to disable comments.
- henry_viii 3y agoYou can't for GitHub Gists :(.
- extheat 3y agoI don't believe there is a way to lock it. But if you really want to clear the comments, you can use the API to recurse and delete all the comments--this is a quick Nodejs snip from Bing Chat with Octokit: https://gist.github.com/extremeheat/1042a8a933f0987b265a70d433828497 https://gist.github.com/extremeheat/1042a8a933f0987b265a70d4...
- mvdtnz 3y agoThat's looping, not recursion. Just FYI.
- xena 3y agoI just deleted it. I'll figure out what to do with all of the emails about all of the comments later. Probably something fun with sentiment analysis and large language models.
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- tallytarik 3y agoIt's currently #9 on the front page.
- henry_viii 3y agoHowever it got flagged for a bit.
- chipgap98 3y agoPresumably because users flagged it
- upwardbound 3y agoAnd what possible motivation would they have to do so? This is the biggest new development in the last two days, and it's well-written, with good grammar, etc. There is ZERO reason for legitimate users to flag this story.
- chipgap98 3y agoThe fact that it is an anonymous re-posting that advertises the github users soundclound might be one
- dang 3y agoThis is something it's natural for people to worry about, and even to assume, but (a) no we don't do that, (b) I've explained this hundreds of times over the last decade: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20moderate%20%22less%2C%20not%20more%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... and (c) it's in the FAQ: Q: Are negative stories about YC suppressed on HN? A: No, we moderate less, not more, when YC or a YC startup is the topic. The good will of the community is worth more than any story. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html Btw, your question about story rank is also in the FAQ: Q: Why is A ranked below B even though A has more points and is newer? A: You can't derive rank from votes and time alone. See "How are stories ranked?" above. Moderators haven't touched this post. All you've been seeing is just the regular tug of war between upvotes and flags, as handled by HN's software. No need for sinister speculation, other than for entertainment I suppose.
- reactordev 3y agoI have issues with language like ”…As you have now witnessed what happens when you dare stand up to Sam Altman.” This is worded like they are following a messiah and anything said after that is now tainted with worship speak. I get that they have concerns but this isn’t the way.
- oddevan 3y agoI'm a little confused by your comment. The line in question isn't saying "Now you have angered our messiah," it's saying "Now you see what we've had to deal with for years; sucks, right?"
- reactordev 3y agoIt's just not language I would come to expect from board members and/or statements from the board to employees or any form of official communication. A better phrasing and one that wouldn't invoke worship speak would be "The challenges we face are due to the pop-star like treatment of Sam Altman". I agree the meaning behind it is as you describe. "See what we have to deal with now..." but using words like "dare" invokes conflict before a point is even taken.
- reissbaker 3y ago95+% of the company disagrees as made obvious by publicly signing with their own real names documents saying that they'll quit unless Sam returns. I don't see much evidence this "OpenAI" message actually represents the views of people at OpenAI; it may not have even been written by employees.
- m_ke 3y agoSee https://www.teamblind.com/post/OpenAI-employees-did-you-sign-the-petition-out-of-fear-OU4uvcyt https://www.teamblind.com/post/OpenAI-employees-did-you-sign... Not signing the letter might mean the company falls apart, and most of these employees have millions worth of shares that they were about to have an option to sell in a new funding round.
- dinvlad 3y agoWell, that only shows that those 95% of folks are truly either religious fanatics or are just in it all for money [1]. No fucks given about moral principles. (although there's or course a third possibility of them just being bright but too naive to STILL not see the sham that Sam has played for years and manipulated [2] them into believing it) [1] https://www.programmablemutter.com/p/look-at-scientology-to-understand https://www.programmablemutter.com/p/look-at-scientology-to-... [2] https://twitter.com/geoffreyirving/status/1726754270224023971 https://twitter.com/geoffreyirving/status/172675427022402397...
- mvdtnz 3y agoSounds like a bunch of complaining from the usual cadre of difficult employees we all wish would just be gotten rid of sooner. There's always a few.
- mannewalis 3y agoButthurt gonna butthurt.
- ignoramous 3y agoDirty laundry is dirty. There's no way the current episode doesn't damage reputation of everyone involved. On the flip side, there's nothing more revealing about powerful people in just how they defend (or attack) other powerful people, while useful idiots scurry around. We are those useful idiots.
- chipgap98 3y agoI don’t think an unnamed and unspecified group of employees should get to have a loud voice in this conversation. This isn’t to say it’s not fair to criticize Sam and Greg but none of these sound like issues that would lead to them being fired.
- zepton 3y agoPrevious (flagged) discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38369570 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38369570
- SushiHippie 3y agowhy are both posts now flagged?
- nickthegreek 3y agoI believe people are flagging it because it is not apparent that it is actually from anyone at OpenAI. Not that it couldn’t be, but there are reasons to be suspicious.
- dang 3y agoWe can only guess why users flag things, but usually they leave clues in the comments, and there are quite a few clue-leaving comments there.
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- MicolashKyoka 3y agoIf they strongly believe in what they're saying, they should come forward. If you hide behind an pseudonym, credibility takes a big hit. It's not like we're under a dictatorship and they're going to disappear if they do so. You have almost every single employee vouching for Sam, people outside the company vouching for him, an anon letter is paper thin as far credibility goes. And ofc, any employee that got pushed out is going to have an axe to grind. Losing out on 900k+/year has to sting. At that compensation and in a startup, performance, disagreeing and comitting are key to the success of the venture. You should expect attrition to be high (though how did author of the letter get to 50%? who knows) The board is hiding, one of which has a direct competitor to a recently launched product so obv. conflict of interest, the employees are calling bs, Ilya himself turned, etc. This is just stupid. Some others have put this perfectly, given what has transpired so far, how do they expect to align an agi? You'd expect resignations based on that alone.
- cdchn 3y agoGist gone.
- tiziano88 3y agopermanent (and verifiable) mirror: https://static.space/sha2-256:a53e64b47b45972c3086e0300a8bb0b4c3ece36876861850fb68a48d92c9a870 https://static.space/sha2-256:a53e64b47b45972c3086e0300a8bb0... (including its digest in the URL -- even if the content is moved elsewhere, we can know for sure whether it was modified)