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OpenAI has hundreds more employees, all of whom are incredibly smart. While they will definitely lose the leadership and talent of those two, it’s not as if a n
by altdataseller 3y ago
OpenAI has hundreds more employees, all of whom are incredibly smart. While they will definitely lose the leadership and talent of those two, it’s not as if a nuclear bomb dropped on their HQ and wiped out all their engineers!
So questioning whether they will survive seems very silly and incredibly premature to me
- simultsop 3y agoWith a PR damage such this one, if they survive it will be a miracle.
- jxf 3y agoBut a number of those other employees have said they'll leave if Altman isn't rehired.
- zombiwoof 3y agoBullshit. They are not quitting
- 15457345234 3y agoThey're either not quitting or they've outed themselves as being part of a personality cult and they'll just hinder things if they're not ejected promptly.
- TechnicolorByte 3y agoEven if you don’t believe many employees would consider leaving for Altman, I find it probable that many would consider leaving for financial reasons. What will their PPUs be worth if OpenAI is seen as a funding risk?
- bartimus 3y agoMaybe not instantly. But there's a version where they don't agree with certain decisions and will now be more open to other opportunities.
- icy_deadposts 3y agoYou're right. They're fired.
- questime 3y agoThe perception right now is that the board doesn't care about investors, this will kill this company that is burning money at an insane rate. Employees will run for the exits unless they are convinced that there is a future exit.
- alsodumb 3y agoPretty much every researcher I know at OpenAI who are on twitter re-tweeted Sam Atlman's heart tweet with their own heart or some other supportive message. I'm sure that's a sign that they are all team Sam - this includes a ton of researchers you see on most papers that came out of OpenAI. That's a good chunk of their research team and that'd be a very big loss. Also there are tons of engineers (and I know a few of them) who joined OpenAI recently with pure financial incentives. They'll jump to Sam's new company cause of course that's where they'd make real money. This coupled with investors like Microsoft backing off definitely makes it fair to question the survival of OpenAI in the form we see today. And this is exactly what makes me question Adam D'Angelo's motives as a board member. Maybe he wanted OpenAI to slow down or stop existing, to keep his Poe by Quora (and their custom assistants) relevant. GPT Agents pretty much did what Poe was doing overnight, and you can have as many as them with your existing 20$ ChatGPT Plus subscription. But who knows I'm just speculating here like everyone else.
- moralestapia 3y agoAlso, serious investors won't touch OpenAI with a ten foot pole after these events. There's an idealistic bunch of people that think this was the best thing to happen to OpenAI, time will tell but I personally think this is the end of the company (and Ilya). Satya must be quite pissed off and rightly so, he gave them big money, believed in them and got backstabbed as well; disregarding @sama, MS is their single largest investor and it didn't even warrant a courtesy phone call to let them know of all this fiasco (even thought some savants were saying they shouldn't have to, because they "only" owned 49% of the LLC. LMAO). Next bit of news will be Microsoft pulling out of the deal but, unlike this board, Satya is not a manchild going through a crisis, so it will happen without it being a scandal. MS should probably just grow their own AI in-house at this point, they have all the resources in the world to do so. People who think that MS (a ~50 old company, with 200k employees, valued at almost 3 trillion) is now lost without OpenAI and the Ilya gang must have room temperature IQs.
- visarga 3y ago200k MS employees can't do what 500 from OAI can, the more you pile on the problem, the worse the outcome. The problem with Microsoft is that, like Google, Amazon and IBM, they are not a good medium for radical innovation, are old, ossified companies. Apple used to be nimble when Steve was alive, but went to coasting mode since then. Having large revenue from old business is an obstacle in the new world, maybe Apple was nimble because it had small market share.
- patapong 3y agoI am guessing they are super reliant on Microsoft to keep running ChatGPT... If Microsoft decides to get out and finds a way they would be in deep trouble.
- karmasimida 3y agoSurvive as existing? They will. But this is a disaster that can't be sugarcoated. Working in an AI company with a doomer as head is ridiculous. It will be like working in a tobacco company advocating for lung cancer awareness. I don't think the new CEO can do anything to get back trust in record short amount of time. The sam loyalists will leave. The question remain, how is the new CEO going to hire new people, and will he be able to do so fast enough, and the ones who remain will accept the company that is a drastically different.
- bottlepalm 3y agoAh yes you're either a doomer or e/acc. Pick an extreme. Everything must be polarized.
- astrange 3y agoThere's a character in HPMOR named after the new CEO. (That's the religious text of the anti-AI cult that founded OpenAI. It's in the form of a very long Harry Potter fanfic.)
- whatshisface 3y agoIs Chat GPT writing this whole dialogue?
- FeepingCreature 3y agoSorry, which character are you talking about? (Also lol "religious text", how dare people have didactic opinions.)
- astrange 3y agoThe one with the same name as the new CEO. Pretty straightforward. > Also lol "religious text", how dare people have didactic opinions. That's not what a religious text is, that'd just be a blog post. It's the part where reading it causes you to join a cult group house polycule and donate all your money to stopping computers from becoming alive.
- spaceman_2020 3y agoIf the funding dries up for OpenAI, those engineers have no incentive to keep working there. No point wasting your career on an organization that's destined to die.
- blast 3y ago> it’s not as if a nuclear bomb dropped on their HQ Oh yes it is.
- thekevan 3y agoFunny you should reference a nuclear bomb. This was 14 minutes after your post. https://twitter.com/karpathy/status/1726478716166123851 https://twitter.com/karpathy/status/1726478716166123851
- DantesKite 3y agoAndrej Karpathy literally just tweeted the nuclear radiation emoji lol.
- pedrosorio 3y agoThe GPT-4 pre-training research lead quit on Friday.
- laurels-marts 3y ago> and talent of those two You are aware that more than just 2 people departed?