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If Ilya’s problem with Sam was that he was acting out on his own and deviating from founding principles, he’s not going to have a good time under Elon.

CSMastermind 3y ago
From everything I can piece together the underlying problem is that Sam defunded Ilya's alignment research because they only have so much compute and they needed all of it to keep up with the demand for ChatGPT and the APIs, especially after dev day. Ilya losing access to the GPUs he needs to do his research so that the company can service a few more customers seemed like a fundamental betrayal to him and a sign that Sam was ignoring safety in order to grow marketshare. If Elon is able to promise him the resources he needs to do his research then I think it could work out.
- dchichkov 3y ago
  More likely that the WorldCoin project is doing poorly. With crypto and NFTs going down it could be a house of cards. And in a need of an urgent injection of money.
  - spookthesunset 3y ago
    The worldcoin thing really bugs me too. Any time there is crypto, somebody is scamming somebody else. Worldcoin is no different in this regard.
    - capableweb 3y ago
      Did you figure out the motives behind Bitcoin too while doing your research?
      - jazzyjackson 3y ago
        despite being invented for non-scam purposes, it turns out to be a productivity multipler for scammers more than anyone else. and also Bitcoin might be the exception that proves the rule - every other chain or token is managed by a few insiders taking get-rich-quick marks for a ride.
        ocdtrekkie 3y ago
        I think it'd be really funny if Bitcoin was originally supposed to also be a rug pull but Satoshi died suddenly or something, and so Bitcoin was just the scam that never managed to complete itself or something.
- tw04 3y ago
  > If Elon is able to promise him the resources he needs to do his research then I think it could work out. Who on earth would ever trust an Elon promise at this point? The guy literally can’t open his mouth without making a promise he can’t keep. Unless Ilya is getting something in a bulletproof contract and is willing to spend a decade fighting for it in court, he’s an idiot doing anything with Elon.
  - staticautomatic 3y ago
    Contract wherein Musk pays all legal fees would be pretty trustworthy
    - eganist 3y ago
      https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/24/musks-twitter-has-been-sued-by-at-least-six-companies-for-unpaid-bills.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/24/musks-twitter-has-been-sued-... He's pretty bad at honoring contracts too
      - staticautomatic 3y ago
        That’s my point. If/when he breaches he has to pay your fees for suing him. It’s a contingency lawyer’s dream.
  - comfysocks 3y ago
    Yeah, I imagine Karpathy had his fill of Musk and left. Probably with a stiff non disparagement agreement.
    - zameerb1 3y ago
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  - unsupp0rted 3y ago
    It would take a rocket scientist to trust Elon Musk
- dwaltrip 3y ago
  Interesting, where did you hear that?
someperson 3y ago
Elon Musk has been very critical of OpenAI's switch from a non-profit focused on AI safety to a for-profit competing with Tesla. It's why he fell out and left OpenAI despite investing $100 million to start it. I'd say he's well aligned with Ilya's position. Early on I wondered if he was an instigator of the entire board coup.
- Tenoke 3y ago
  The problem is Elon's approach to alignment as presented during x.ai launch is pretty different to what Ilya says and as far as I can tell pretty naive on top of that.
- RivieraKid 3y ago
  He left because they didn't allow him to be in charge.
  - somenameforme 3y ago
    Musk left in 2018 after disagreements over the future of the company. In 2019 OpenAI started their 'OpenAI LP' for-profit entity. It seems entirely reasonable that the profit vs mission motive that seems to be driving this issue, is also what drove Musk to leave.
    - totallywrong 3y ago
      Come on now, does it sound like Musk to you to leave due to the prospect of profit? Surely there was some kind of power struggle there that he couldn't win, and the mission thing was a good story to tell others.
    - RivieraKid 3y ago
      https://www.semafor.com/article/03/24/2023/the-secret-history-of-elon-musk-sam-altman-and-openai https://www.semafor.com/article/03/24/2023/the-secret-histor... > And Musk proposed a possible solution: He would take control of OpenAI and run it himself.
icelancer 3y ago
Ilya has worked for Elon in the past without incident. I doubt it would be a problem.
- deleted 3y ago
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CSMastermind 3y ago

From everything I can piece together the underlying problem is that Sam defunded Ilya's alignment research because they only have so much compute and they needed all of it to keep up with the demand for ChatGPT and the APIs, especially after dev day. Ilya losing access to the GPUs he needs to do his research so that the company can service a few more customers seemed like a fundamental betrayal to him and a sign that Sam was ignoring safety in order to grow marketshare. If Elon is able to promise him the resources he needs to do his research then I think it could work out.

dchichkov 3y ago
More likely that the WorldCoin project is doing poorly. With crypto and NFTs going down it could be a house of cards. And in a need of an urgent injection of money.
- spookthesunset 3y ago
  The worldcoin thing really bugs me too. Any time there is crypto, somebody is scamming somebody else. Worldcoin is no different in this regard.
  - capableweb 3y ago
    Did you figure out the motives behind Bitcoin too while doing your research?
    - jazzyjackson 3y ago
      despite being invented for non-scam purposes, it turns out to be a productivity multipler for scammers more than anyone else. and also Bitcoin might be the exception that proves the rule - every other chain or token is managed by a few insiders taking get-rich-quick marks for a ride.
      - ocdtrekkie 3y ago
        I think it'd be really funny if Bitcoin was originally supposed to also be a rug pull but Satoshi died suddenly or something, and so Bitcoin was just the scam that never managed to complete itself or something.
tw04 3y ago
> If Elon is able to promise him the resources he needs to do his research then I think it could work out. Who on earth would ever trust an Elon promise at this point? The guy literally can’t open his mouth without making a promise he can’t keep. Unless Ilya is getting something in a bulletproof contract and is willing to spend a decade fighting for it in court, he’s an idiot doing anything with Elon.
- staticautomatic 3y ago
  Contract wherein Musk pays all legal fees would be pretty trustworthy
  - eganist 3y ago
    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/24/musks-twitter-has-been-sued-by-at-least-six-companies-for-unpaid-bills.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/24/musks-twitter-has-been-sued-... He's pretty bad at honoring contracts too
    - staticautomatic 3y ago
      That’s my point. If/when he breaches he has to pay your fees for suing him. It’s a contingency lawyer’s dream.
- comfysocks 3y ago
  Yeah, I imagine Karpathy had his fill of Musk and left. Probably with a stiff non disparagement agreement.
  - zameerb1 3y ago
    [dead]
- unsupp0rted 3y ago
  It would take a rocket scientist to trust Elon Musk
dwaltrip 3y ago
Interesting, where did you hear that?

someperson 3y ago

Elon Musk has been very critical of OpenAI's switch from a non-profit focused on AI safety to a for-profit competing with Tesla. It's why he fell out and left OpenAI despite investing $100 million to start it. I'd say he's well aligned with Ilya's position. Early on I wondered if he was an instigator of the entire board coup.

Tenoke 3y ago
The problem is Elon's approach to alignment as presented during x.ai launch is pretty different to what Ilya says and as far as I can tell pretty naive on top of that.
RivieraKid 3y ago
He left because they didn't allow him to be in charge.
- somenameforme 3y ago
  Musk left in 2018 after disagreements over the future of the company. In 2019 OpenAI started their 'OpenAI LP' for-profit entity. It seems entirely reasonable that the profit vs mission motive that seems to be driving this issue, is also what drove Musk to leave.
  - totallywrong 3y ago
    Come on now, does it sound like Musk to you to leave due to the prospect of profit? Surely there was some kind of power struggle there that he couldn't win, and the mission thing was a good story to tell others.
  - RivieraKid 3y ago
    https://www.semafor.com/article/03/24/2023/the-secret-history-of-elon-musk-sam-altman-and-openai https://www.semafor.com/article/03/24/2023/the-secret-histor... > And Musk proposed a possible solution: He would take control of OpenAI and run it himself.

icelancer 3y ago

Ilya has worked for Elon in the past without incident. I doubt it would be a problem.

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