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The insertion cycles are only for proper insertion. Like when you are looking at it and doing it at a correct angle. Also, rated lifetime does not take into ac
by onetimeuse92304 3y ago
The insertion cycles are only for proper insertion. Like when you are looking at it and doing it at a correct angle.
Also, rated lifetime does not take into account things like tugging the cable to the side of your PC because your foot got tangled in it.
USB C is extremely fragile due to its size and not much can be done to help it.
USB C might be created to withstand more insertion cycles. After all it is meant to be used for devices like phones that are plugged in and out constantly. Part of this improvement is just more experience creating connectors (yes, connectors got much better in the past decades).
A cable connected to a back of PC is not being constantly plugged in and out. Nobody I know is plugging in their keyboard or mouse multiple times a day.
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When I design my boards, I put connectors that match the size of the board. I don't put extremely tiny connectors on a very large and massive project. I want a connector that isn't too fragile for the project and this means matching it with the forces that you can expect.
We, humans, use different forces when around large objects than when we are around small objects.
Large PC standing on your desk means forces used around it will be potentially larger than forces around a small appliance like a phone. If you tug on a cable that is hooked up to the phone, only small force is needed to move the phone. And we are usually more careful around a small appliance like phone. If you tug on a cable that is hooked up to a PC, much larger force will be needed before you move the PC. And people are less careful and using larger forces when doing things around a PC -- a larger object than a phone.
- nottheengineer 3y agoI once bent the USB-C connector on a dell dock just because the cable is stiff and the bend from going below my desk put too much force on the connector. It still works, but has an angle now. If the cable wasn't permanently attached, having the wear parts on that side would be fine. The EU should definitely mandate that, I don't see any technical reasons for soldering one side of the cable.
- rightbyte 3y ago> yes, connectors got much better in the past decades Really? How is e.g. the HDMI connectors "better" than the VGA connectors? VGA connectors seems far more robust to me. Same with d-sub mouse connectors. I guess the signal rating is better now but the old ones didn't need high frequency capabilities.
- rezonant 3y agoVGA connectors were incredibly irritating to deal with, especially since so many of them were equipped with smooth screwing bolts with very little area to spin them with your fingers. I for one don't miss this.
- rightbyte 3y agoIf you wanted to have quick insert connection you could just not tighten the screws. I almost never tightened the screws, but it was good on monitors which were pivoting. I am writing this on a screen where the HDMI connector pops out if a even touch it.
- JohnFen 3y agoHonestly, I have never tightened those screws.
- kalium-xyz 3y agoJust tighten one of them, its what i do half the time
- xvilka 3y agoAnd other half of the time you tighten another?
- kalium-xyz 3y agoYes :P. I’m a coward and never put it in without tightening at least one or both
- gmgmgmgmgm 3y agoThere are many times I've tried to insert USB-A wrong since it's rectangular but only has one correct way and sometimes the fit is tight and sometimes it's hard to see the socket (behind a PC, under a monitor, etc...) USB-C doesn't have this issue. Much better
- dotancohen 3y ago> tugging the cable to the side of your PC because your foot got tangled in it. > USB C is extremely fragile due to its size and not much can be done to help it. Zip tie the cable to the case?
- kalium-xyz 3y agoOnce you accidentally insert the usb c cable into the wrong port and short out your mobo you start Inserting it properly and start fearing it :/
- arghwhat 3y agoFunny you say that, I can tell from family experience that USB type A ports are quite fragile to a vertical tug as it breaks the internal plastic bar at its base so you're left with a hole full of floating copper pins. It of course requires more than a light tug, but less than you'd think. The USB-C housing is much more rigid than that of type A, so it should handle this much better. The thinner bar might also handle deflection better by virtue of flexibility. Also, hardware engineers know that ports are operated by drunk gorillas. Incorrect usage and odd forces are considered when designing a physical interface.
- saiya-jin 3y agoCan't comment on USB-C yet and obviously case point 1, but on my desktop tower (Fractal Design 6, so should be quality) I have for cca 5 years, the frontal USB-A connectors which are used most often, 2 out of 4 are already dead (I'd say maybe 500 insertions altogether, definitely not more). 1 is sort of in between, sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. I generally know very well how to take care of electronics and those ports never experienced that dreaded 'vertical tug' you describe, at least to my knowledge.
- throwaway2037 3y agoI like this post. No trolling: Did you report the issue to Fractal? I am sure they wish to hear your valuable feedback. They might also offer to replace your case with the latest version! P.S. I am not a shill for Fractal, but a faithful owner.
- saiya-jin 3y agoTank you for the advice, I guess too lazy to deal with logistics and customs (living in Switzerland, some stuff trivial in US is... not so trivial in more diverse Europe). On top of not really having desktop working for who knows how long. Plus planning to build new desktop soon, I'll still probably go with them (Define 7 is my pick so far), I think I had just bad luck since they have quite solid reputation and most other cases are not to my taste or needs.
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- throwaway2037 3y agoThe insertion cycles are only for proper insertion. Every time I see comments like this I think of the COVID-19 trolls who insisted that masks were only helpful if "worn correctly". Proper? Please. Why not just say that the connector suffers from poor design and is difficult to plug correctly. Everything else is humiliating the average user, like my parents, with advanced degrees whom are not STEM.
- MaxBarraclough 3y ago> Nobody I know is plugging in their keyboard or mouse multiple times a day. If you securely store a laptop at the end of each workday then you're up to 1 cycle per day minimum. It will be more than that if you're required to secure the laptop during coffee breaks and/or if you work from several places in a work-day.
- MobiusHorizons 3y agoThe quote is specifically talking about desktops not mobile use cases like laptops
- kubiton 3y ago[flagged]