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> Incredible. Incredibly dystopian. Since at least nine years ago, there hasn't a single place on the surface of the planet where you had any total and absolut
by capableweb 3y ago
> Incredible.
Incredibly dystopian. Since at least nine years ago, there hasn't a single place on the surface of the planet where you had any total and absolute privacy.
- constantly 3y ago[flagged]
- Terr_ 3y ago> this is like complaining you don’t have privacy when turning on your house lights at night because optical satellites can see that there is light. That scenario is also worrisome if the consequence of that observation becomes something like "Oh, the house of Citizen #DYSTO-48195812 had its lights on during the following intervals, click for footage and probable active occupants." "Privacy" isn't about the raw mechanics of observation or single data-points, it's about capabilities and powers and how those might be abused by other humans. > intercontinental ballistic missiles Well, if allll someone needs is to detect giant missiles roaring into the edge of space on a pillar of fire, then we should be ultra-suspicious if they start building a system which goes beyond that into, say, following around the hot-spots of individual human heads.
- __MatrixMan__ 3y agoAgreed. I often waffle about whether to blind a camera--not based on where it is pointing but based on where I think the data is going. If you want to be able to see in front of your business without going outside, fine. If you want to feed that data into a citywide network which the police can query to see who was where at which time, less fine.
- phatskat 3y ago> If you want to feed that data into a citywide network which the police can query to see who was where at which time, less fine. This is pretty much Ring’s secondary purpose, at least as Amazon continues to loosen their data privacy when it comes to LEO requests.
- oivey 3y ago> Well, if allll someone needs is to detect giant missiles roaring into the edge of space on a pillar of fire, then we should be ultra-suspicious if they start building a system which goes beyond that into, say, following around the hot-spots of individual human heads. I think you missed another possibility: that they make your head as hot as giant missile. Constant vigilance!
- Terr_ 3y agoHence the "tin"-foil hat: Reflective heatsink.
- wheelerof4te 3y agoNot sure how people wanting some privacy means that someone "should be able to personally launch intercontinental ballistic missiles without being detected"?!
- constantly 3y agoThey’re specifically complaining about their loss of privacy stemming from an infrared satellite system designed to detect missile launches.
- bear141 3y agoDrops in a bucket
- Dylan16807 3y agoIf it can invade privacy that badly, then detecting missile launches was definitely not the guiding design goal.
- para_parolu 3y agoIf you are not criminal you have nothing to hide. Right?
- constantly 3y agoHide my infrared signature created from my missile launches? This second amendment thing has gone too far…
- bee_rider 3y agoThis is basically what the second amendment was intended for. It starts with a bit about militias and securing the state; the intention is clearly that we should be able to buy weapons of war. Nowadays that includes missiles. How are you going to secure a free state with a rifle? Any reasonable adversary to the US would have jets and stuff. We should at least be able to get together and buy a neighborhood SAM site.
- lazide 3y agoThese HOAs are getting out of control!
- fullspectrumdev 3y agoRecreational PATRIOT batteries.
- BurningFrog 3y agoCameras are so cheap now, and prices will keep falling, that I think in the future pretty much everything will be filmed. I'm not saying it's good or bad. But it is inevitable, and we need to adjust to that reality.
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- lyu07282 3y agoThey are already flying over some big cities and constantly capturing everything in car-level resolution, then when a "crime" happens they can roll the tape back and see the where the car came from. https://radiolab.org/podcast/eye-sky-2306 https://radiolab.org/podcast/eye-sky-2306 "Persistent Surveillance System" google blackholed of course
- Scoundreller 3y agoThis is why everyone should vinyl wrap their cars. Then if anything happens, just peel it off.
- asdff 3y agoIts been that way since probably the 1960s and has yet to materially impact your life I imagine.
- zlg_codes 3y agoBold claims require bold backing. It's also in the country's favor to overclaim their capabilities.
- sneak 3y agoIt may have materially impacted many people’s lives by allowing western governments the required intel to sabotage WMD programs of governments who believe in first strike attacks. I am generally pro-situational-awareness of things in public spaces.
- arcticbull 3y agoFair point, its hard to quantify the number of events that didn't happen because of intervention.
- protomolecule 3y ago"who believe in first strike attacks" Which don't exist.
- huijzer 3y agoIn the 1960s, high resolution images were definitely possible (and taken daily from Russian territories), but only when the plane was overhead.
- throwaway5752 3y agoThis is benign compared to ubiquitous camera phones with unbelievable image resolution and location data, being uploaded for "free" to services with cutting-edge facial recognition capabilities, among others.
- xyst 3y agoOnly 9 years? Try 22 years. 9/11 changed the game. PATRIOT Act in the USA is still in effect. FISA courts rubber stamping any search order in the name of “national security”. The idea of privacy disappeared a long time ago. FB/Cambridge Analytica/IG/TT/SC is just the surface.
- kbenson 3y agoThere are plenty of places. Under a forest canopy. Underground, under a large overhang from a cliff. And those are just the types of privacy you don't create for yourself, or you don't naturally get through large structures. They aren't necessarily convenient places, but it's not like you can't find any privacy just because there are cameras up high pointing down. It's actually probably far less intrusive and privacy destroying than the electronic device you likely carry everywhere with you that reports you location and could (if it doesn't already) keep track of when it can't report and relay it when it can again. If you think the trade-offs of that make it worthwhile most the time, consider that there may be trade-offs here that are positive that you are discounting with what we're discussing here.
- kazinator 3y agoHow about: walkie-talkie with decent crypto? Suppose we design walkie talkies such that two or more units can be hooked up together in a daisy chain. While the devices are daisy chained, a button can be pressed on the head walkie talkie which will generate a random symmetric key, like 256 bit AES or whatever. This is sent over the daisy-chained bus to all the others. They flash an LED or something to indicate they accepted the key. After that they can be split up and will all use that key.
- mike_d 3y agoEveryone has a walkie-talkie with decent crypto in their pocket already. The problem is portable radios have limited transmission range, so you'd need some sort of a ... maybe network of towers that could pick up and re-broadcast the signal? Hmm.
- networkchad 3y agoSuch systems exist with even more advanced key management schemes. Eg: you lose a handset, it gets removed, all other handsets have their traffic key rotated immediately over the air.
- nextaccountic 3y agoThis satellite can find walkie-talkies