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While it might be true, it’s kinda unhinged. Need something more here than just accusations.

• SkyMarshal 3y ago
  Concur, she doesn't seem to be entirely stable or reliable. I know you're supposed to believe the victim and all, but I think I'd rather keep my beliefs evidence-based here.
  • yawpitch 3y ago
    Pretty much all of the evidence on survivors of CSA is that it’s entirely unreasonable to expect “stability” in someone who experienced sexualized trauma as a child, especially as that “stability” is relatively measured by someone without that particular lived experience. Believe the victim, full stop, unless and until evidence actively contradicts their statements.
    • fennecbutt 3y ago
      Isn't that guilty until proven innocent, then?
      • yawpitch 3y ago
        No, of course not, guilt and innocence is something that gets determined _after_ an accusation is investigated… in all other cases we presume the accuser is (or may be) telling the truth — “officer, that man stole my watch” should _always_ cause the officer to check if there was a watch and who is currently in possession of it, and if you had a watch and had reason to believe someone else stole it you’d expect exactly that — why not with people reporting sexual crimes? The accused is still presumed innocent until proven guilty, but there’s no value in presuming the accuser is lying… doing so is just presuming the accuser is guilty of perjury / fraud before _they_ are proven guilty.
    • bilvar 3y ago
      Nope. Just nope.
      • yawpitch 3y ago
        And that, right there, is why child molesters and rapists are rarely, if ever, caught on their _first_ offense… we assume the victims are lying. Which, oddly, we don’t do with pretty much any other kind of crime.
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• o11c 3y ago
  More relevant, the core accusations are based entirely on "repressed memories", which are junk science. False memories are demonstrably very easy to create. If there had been some more reasonable basis to the claims, "unhinged" should not count against them - abuse is one of the common causes of mental instability, and people with mental instability are often targets.
  • SkyMarshal 3y ago
    > abuse is one of the common causes of mental instability, and people with mental instability are often targets. Sounds like a chicken-and-egg problem that's impossible for armchair observers like us to decipher either way.
  • yawpitch 3y ago
    Unless I’m missing something she never mentions having repressed or reclaimed memories, and certainly in a quick skim of the linked article there’s nothing I can see where she specifically details recovering detailed repressed memories with the help and guidance of someone acting as a psychotherapist (the “junk science” associated with the Satanic Panic of the 80s, where “psychotherapists” of often dubious training and always with an agenda guided children to the story the agenda demanded), she just describes some of the memories as things she “buried”. It’s not obvious that a single one or the accusations, much less the “core” ones, is based on the kind of Satanic Panic-style repressed memories you’re talking about. Now, dismiss my 40+ years of living with CPTSD if it makes you more comfortable, but I never (once) “repressed” memories, and I certainly never had someone else walk me through memories I didn’t actively have to try and help me “recover” details… what I had was memories I really, really didn’t want to think about or give a lot of credence to, because doing so would push me into a flashback state, especially if I focused on the more horrifying details or tried too hard to establish a clear and consistent sequence. I tried, hard, to bury those memories — I still try hard to bury them, though nowadays more by trying to bury them with acceptance rather than bury them through avoidance — but memories I’ve always had and didn’t want is not the same as memories I didn’t have and after the intervention of another now do. I don’t see a lot of reasons to see her claims as either unreasonable or unhinged… if they’re as consistently stated as presented in the linked post they should likely be presumed to be true, especially if stated in public, for exactly the same reason all such claims should be presumed true.
• underseacables 3y ago
  During the me too movement, accusations was all that was needed. At a lot of universities, an accusation is all that is needed against another student. Corroborating evidence is indeed needed but American needs to have a reckoning with its history of accusations without evidence.
  • roguecoder 3y ago
    This is not a court of law. No one is going to jail without a trial. If he can prove it is false, he can sue her for defamation. If he can’t, she has the freedom of speech to make her case.
    • freddies 3y ago
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    • philtrem 3y ago
      This is not how this works...