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That's the trap door in this. Apple is going to implement RCS exactly as the specification says it should be implemented, no more or no less. Any incompatibilit
by spiralpolitik 3y ago
That's the trap door in this. Apple is going to implement RCS exactly as the specification says it should be implemented, no more or no less. Any incompatibilities with Android will be laid at Google's door to resolve.
Having beaten Apple with the RCS stick for the last year, Google might find themselves now getting beaten back.
- hfjjbf 3y ago[dead]
- eek2121 3y agoI am okay with this.
- matwood 3y agoApple also stated they would work to add encryption to the RCS spec, poking Google in the eye with their proprietary model. Of course this might not ever happen, but it's still fun to see big companies taking jabs at each other.
- Smoosh 3y agoWhen elephants fight, the grass suffers.
- parineum 3y agoWhen companies compete, consumers win.
- donny2018 3y agoUnless they conspire in $20B/year search agreements.
- paholg 3y agoThat's not competition.
- bigfudge 3y agoAnd there’s no true Scotsman. This sort of thing is - in practice - what capitalism looks like in the 21st century.
- achenet 3y agoI believe Peter Thiel would say that capitalism and competition are opposites, and the goal of capitalism is monopoly. https://morfene.com/021.pdf https://morfene.com/021.pdf
- TeMPOraL 3y agoI'm not sure why people always attribute this observation to Thiel, as if it was something fringe, given how obvious and apparent it is. The goal of a profit-seeking entity is to maximize profit. That is achieved by becoming a monopoly. Competition is just the consequence of multiple entities trying to become a monopoly - there can be only one. This is the motive part of market economy. The energy source. Now, monopolies are obviously bad for society. Therefore, markets are regulated to prevent monopolies. This turns the market into an engine. You have constant inflow of upstarts dreaming of riches, fighting each other out to reach the throne of a monopolist, only to be denied it by regulation, and eventually become broken and/or pushed out by the younger followers. Or, via another analogy: the market economy is designed like a donkey chasing a carrot on a stick attached to the animal, while standing on a treadmill. Being surprised that monopoly is the goal of companies is like being surprised the donkey would chase the carrot.
- randomdata 3y ago> Therefore, markets are regulated to prevent monopolies. Markets are regulated to enable monopolies. Bell would have never become a monopoly if there wasn't the regulation involved in laying copper and Microsoft would have never become a monopoly if there wasn't intellectual property regulation.
- KineticLensman 3y agoNot in the race to the bottom, they don’t
- TeMPOraL 3y agoUp to a point. Afterwards, consumers suffer from garbage products, enshittified services, and under-reported inflation, while companies compete themselves to oblivion.
- randomdata 3y agoYou really only see that in tech, and do so because of lack of meaningful competition. You get some sideline competition, yes, but never direct competition. The law doesn't allow you to directly compete. As soon as you try you will be slapped with a patent/copyright/whatever lawsuit that will kill you off before you ever had a chance. Industries where direct competition is allowable do not suffer from these problems.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago> Industries where direct competition is allowable do not suffer from these problems. No, they suffer much worse. Haven't you noticed how all goods and services go to shit over the years? This is not an accident, this is competition optimizing out any quality it can get away with removing.
- randomdata 3y ago> Haven't you noticed how all goods and services go to shit over the years? No. I can't think of anything I buy that I would want to go back in time with. The quality in my experience has only improved, often dramatically. Those who try to skimp on quality get destroyed by the competition. What are you referring to? The only thing I can think of that you might be referring to – based on what I hear other say, not based on my own buying habits – is things like appliances where manufacturers have really dug deep into computerization so that they can enjoy the same legal moats other tech companies do. But what you are experiencing there is the lack of competition we spoke of earlier.
- fennecbutt 3y agoMaybe small companies. But this isn't going to make any major difference to consumers; two bulls can lock horns and yet not budge a millimeter.
- sundvor 3y agoAs an Android user with a healthy distaste of Google things, this + parent makes me smile. (Discontinuing their old magazine features, with nary a month to back up my purchased collection, as a one by one download was the latest thing).
- Alifatisk 3y agoThis is such an interesting thread to follow, I didn’t think about the traps Google had!
- stouset 3y agoIf RCS doesn’t get E2E encryption added to the public spec, they should highlight unencrypted messages with an even more offensive yellow bubble.
- yieldcrv 3y agoor vomit green moving gradient with the vomit emoji tap backed on it will RCS still break most imessage group chat capabilities? I dont really think “at least my videos will send at full resolution to android users” is really that much of a difference multiple generations of people use phone chats for all the capabilities they offer, which is way more than higher resolution picture and video attachments alongside text
- neodymiumphish 3y agoRCS supports read status, emoji reactions, etc. I use Beeper on Android to have support Messages group chats, and in my experience it's functionally the same as group chats over rcs.
- bqmjjx0kac 3y agoUnencrypted RCS messages will be rendered in Comic Sans.
- stouset 3y agoI like this suggestion better!
- roneythomas6 3y agoRCS messages outside of Google’s Jibe uses HTTPS/TLS so there is encryption. What Google has done is add E2E on top.
- GeekyBear 3y ago> Any incompatibilities with Android will be laid at Google's door Where it belongs. Google's fork of the open RCS standard is closed source and proprietary. > Google's version of RCS—the one promoted on the website with Google-exclusive features like optional encryption—is definitely proprietary, by the way. If this is supposed to be a standard, there's no way for a third-party to use Google's RCS APIs right now. Some messaging apps, like Beeper, have asked Google about integrating RCS and were told there's no public RCS API and no plans to build one. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs-apple-for-mercy-in-messaging-war/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs...
- roneythomas6 3y agoNot sure why people thinks it’s a fork. RCS is only a standard, there is no open source implementation. Even to use it commercially you need to license it from GSMA. So every implementation of RCS is proprietary for the server side. On client side, Google has published the code in Android 12 sources. But most clients are all proprietary too.
- meyum33 3y agoSo all Apple has to do is to change bubble color to indicate your messages, though no longer through SMS, is insecure.
- rupmon 3y agoI think Apple will not build a server and only build support for RCS only in their app. Actual service will be left as carriers’ responsibility and as only a few carriers actually have their own server, RCS on iPhone will be dead on arrival.