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Apple agrees to $25M settlement with US over hiring of immigrants
- eshack94 3y agoSlap on the wrist for optics.
- sitkack 3y ago> It requires Apple to pay $6.75 million in civil penalties and $18.25 million to an unspecified number of affected workers. The optics are that this is totally ok.
- a-r-t 3y agoBanana for scale: Apple makes that much in revenue in about 30 minutes.
- tempodox 3y agoMy thought exactly. That number is way below a rounding error.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoImagine the parking ticket for you would be a penny. It would be more profitable to park illegally than to pay for the parking fees, which is why parking fines are greater than the parking fee. Why do corporations have fines so low?
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- mmmmmbop 3y agoIt's more like $50 if we assume the net hourly rate of a SWE to be $100. That's higher than the usual parking ticket of ~$15.
- edgyquant 3y agoIn Seattle they are about $50
- dylan604 3y agoUnless the fine is your car getting towed.
- bastawhiz 3y agoWhat city would choose the option that costs them money 100% of the time over just being able to mail you an invoice that's illegal to ignore
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- mavelikara 3y agoDiscussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38224950 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38224950
- riku_iki 3y agoCan there be class action case by all who were potentially discriminated by these hiring practices?
- candyman 3y agoWould Apple even notice something so small?
- mschild 3y agoNo. That's about 0.006% of their yearly revenue. To put that into perspective, if you earn 100k salary, that'd be 600 bucks.
- yeknoda 3y ago6
- nilsherzig 3y agoMore like 6 USD, or am I missing something
- mschild 3y agoNope. My math was off. You're correct.
- taspeotis 3y agoHaven't seen it posted yet? It's actually six dollars.
- SuperNinKenDo 3y agoThat amount is an embarrassing joke. What's going on that's causing these appallingly low penalties for companies? Is it just that the legislation was written without these kinds of megacorps in mind? Is it trepidation on the part of regulators? Seriously, what is going on here?
- huy-nguyen 3y agoI think the real punishment for Apple is that it’ll be harder for their employees to get their PERMs certified i.e. more likely to be denied/audited (audit adds 5-6 months on top of the normal 10-11 months), which has been the case for Facebook since the same settlement with DOJ.
- tdeck 3y agoWait until you learn about enforcement for outright wage theft. In many cases the penalty is nothing, and employers sometimes even get to keep some of the stolen wages. In most cases it's not even pursued by the DoL
- zyang 3y agoThis is just a driveby legal shakedown. The requirement for PERM/greencard application is to prove there was sufficient effort to hire an US citizen first. The standard practice is post a ad matching the applicants qualification on local papers first. I went through the process twice at two different companies since I left the first one before PERM was completed. Apple just happened to be a juice target here. The real culprit is the backward immigration system designed to pacify voters.
- Obergruppen 3y ago> system designed to pacify voters sounds like you might be happier back in China?
- next_xibalba 3y ago> The real culprit is the backward immigration system designed to pacify voters. Shouldn’t any immigration system actualize the will of the voters?
- Spooky23 3y agoThe voters are pandered to, no sane policy can survive the senate. The reality is that without immigration, this work will just shift to India, full stop. Visa sponsorship is a plum that benefits the outsourcer in their recruitment. The current system very much benefits the US. Work visa holders pay taxes, support the local economy, and navigate a difficult journey to a green card and citizenship. When you let populists rile up “the voters”, you get what’s happened in agriculture. Long standing seasonal migration get harder, and the farming moves to Mexico. We let the packinghouse unions get busted, and now there’s an environmental disaster in feed lots and rural facilities.
- 4death4 3y ago> The current system very much benefits the US. Work visa holders pay taxes, support the local economy, and navigate a difficult journey to a green card and citizenship. And they take jobs from locals, and increase the labor supply which can decrease wages. More people also exacerbates an undersupplied housing market. There are pros and cons to immigration. But yes, let’s just dismiss the concerns of those rubes and force them to do what you want.
- edgyquant 3y agoGreat. Now make this an actually punitive amount and apply it to all of the big tech companies (who have obviously been doing this for years) and you may start to actually fix this problem. A hundred thousand CS graduates a year in this country and yet the biggest companies claim they can’t find workers. So they hire people from overseas and pay them some of the highest entry level wages in the nation all the while kids I grew up with in the Midwest, who were coding in junior high, work in factories. I call bullshit, it’s clearly discrimination
- riku_iki 3y ago> hundred thousand CS graduates a year in this country and yet the biggest companies claim they can’t find workers. I think big tech happy to hire and does hire those CS graduates if they pass interview.
- strangesmells06 3y agoJust give your favored person leetcode easy questions and your non favored person leetcode hard... Those interviews are designed around favoritism. Additionally favored people can skip the interview with the right managers approval. Whe I worked at LinkedIn it was almost 100% Indians on my team and the rest of the department was like 75% non-American. The chain of command is literally all Indian people except Ryan R.
- riku_iki 3y agoyes, that's what distinguished FB and Google: to be hired person need to be interviewed by some people outside the team, so they reduce conflict of interests that way and keep some bar of candidate's quality.
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- vparikh 3y agoThis is not going to change anything - Apple makes $109,229 per second(https://tipalti.com/profit-per-second/ https://tipalti.com/profit-per-second/) - this so called penalty is 3.8 hours of Apple's profit. This is equivalent to a parking ticket for Apple.
- zamadatix 3y agoNot that it changes much beyond the US GDP but you labeled the per minute figure per second. Impact aside, which is should absolutely impact more, I'm almost doubtful the practice is even a net loss for them. ${years} of the hiring practice for an unknown number of individuals may have even been worth more than the fine. Some other comments note it may have other impacts though, so maybe that's the real influence.
- ChrisArchitect 3y ago[dupe] More here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38224950 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38224950