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You also have tik tok ravers. A generation which built their own culture in isolation in the pandemic now flooding the dance floors not knowing anything about t
by RamblingCTO 3y ago
You also have tik tok ravers. A generation which built their own culture in isolation in the pandemic now flooding the dance floors not knowing anything about techno culture. For me it's a big part of not wanting to go anywhere anymore. Before, your outfit didn't matter, phones, photos and videos were discouraged. Nowadays these kids dress to impress and point there phones everywhere. They consume the techno culture and in that way destroy it. It's sad but I think it's over.
- totetsu 3y agoI heard phones were putting a dampener on the lakeside sunbathing too
- ben_w 3y agoUnless a wild boar steals your bag while you're sunbathing, then the phones with cameras absolutely liven things up, though mainly for everyone else: https://www.freepressjournal.in/world/naked-german-man-chases-boar-who-stole-his-laptop-bag https://www.freepressjournal.in/world/naked-german-man-chase...
- morelisp 3y agoThis seems like something that is just as funny but much less embarrassing without the pictures; ultimately a good argument for why there shouldn't be cameras there...
- 3seashells 3y agoIt's never over as long as there is a industrial ruin, a speaker and a glowstick. The rest is just the clubs that ate the raves. Nothing of value was lost.
- FFP999 3y agoIt'll never be over--it's just Berlin will no longer be the capital of it. Actually would not be terribly surprised if the party moves to San Francisco next.
- jeffbee 3y agoSan Francisco is the least party city imaginable. There is probably a better dance scene in Moscow, Idaho then there is in SF.
- FFP999 3y agoToday, yes. But see my reply to commenter above.
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- 3seashells 3y agoIt goes were cheap space exists. So SF not, rust belt yes, eastern Europe yes..the gentrified poker chip stack cities of the investors can not host vibrant nightlife..
- projectazorian 3y agoWow, a group of mostly privileged and well-off people squatting in a space that used to deliver prosperity and advancement across class lines, and appropriating it as a venue for narcissism and drug-taking. Clearly a culture worth preserving!
- api 3y agoThe “main character” TikTok culture is the most annoying thing in popular culture right now. Well that and maybe the cringey YouTube pranksters that deserve to be punched and sometimes are. Maybe the clubs could do something to make it a bad environment to make TikTok videos, like bombing the place with extremely bright flashing lights at a frequency that humans can’t see but that interferes with most phone cameras? https://hackaday.com/2020/02/28/using-ir-leds-to-hide-in-plain-sight/ https://hackaday.com/2020/02/28/using-ir-leds-to-hide-in-pla... That plus Faraday mesh in the walls could help.
- fullspectrumdev 3y agoThey simply kick you out for filming, lol.
- quchen 3y agoI know clubs that simply have nothing worth filming inside. Nice atmosphere, not a lot of light, and the camera sticker as the cherry on top.
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- fab1an 3y agoPhones and photography are banned in many Berlin clubs - they either lock your phone away at the entrance or put a sticker on the camera. That's why you barely see any footage from inside Berghain anywhere...
- red_admiral 3y agoI think most people who go there would consider that a feature, not a bug.
- RamblingCTO 3y agoAbsolutely. Techno was a safe space and you could be as freaky as you want without fear of repercussions.
- xwdv 3y agoCan you give an example? It seems like being freaky just means dancing like a crazy person. Hardly much repercussion for that.
- pvarangot 3y agoNo they can't give an example because it's a safe space
- threeseed 3y agoThere is a lot of heavy drug use. And there are areas in Berghain that are more like a sex/fetish club than a night club.
- lbotos 3y agoAs another poster said heavy drug use, but also fetish sex. I've been to parties that have had signs on the bathroom banning acts that would make a vanilla person blush.
- paganel 3y ago"Se non è vero è ben trovato" but this reddit post [1] does a decent enough job of explaining what's happening there (or what cool people think it might be happening in there). Slightly NSFW text post: [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/11nll0r/my_girl_friends_got_peed_on_by_leering_gays_in/ https://old.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/11nll0r/my_gir...
- makeitshine 3y agoFor many older people it died in the 90s. When people stopped dancing and treated the DJ like it was a concert I felt it had changed into something else. I watch some of the old VHS I took and people are crowding the speakers and the floor is alive, while nowadays so much of what I see is people all facing a DJ lit up by a spotlight and just standing their bobbing their head.
- hackernewds 3y agoThe new generation have ruined their generation being unlike the older ones, alas!
- Moto7451 3y ago“Kids these days” - My toddler, 30 years from now
- makeitshine 3y agoSome things do change for the worse, others for the better. Smaller, more tight knit communities, like raves were in the 80s and early 90s were, in my mind, better than the predominately business-oriented DJ-festishization parties of today. There are good parties still going on, but it's not the primary mover of the rave scene like it once was. Kids these days may not need those scenes as much these days, since they're more open to people who are different. Much of the early rave scene was for people that didn't fit in, for whatever reason.
- joaonmatos 3y agoI see a lot of issues with phones as many people say, but you go to KitKat on your average night and you see plenty of people dancing.
- ben_w 3y agoI've never been to KitKat, though I've been past it a few times. Given the reputation, I'd be surprised if they ever allowed cameras or devices with them.
- hackernewds 3y agoThis rings of "get off m'lawn" vibes. As a gen Z myself, I question what's wrong with "tiktok ravers" wanting to dress up and enjoy music? The whole genre will fade away if it doesn't curate to the next generation, as the originals get too creaky to dance.
- RamblingCTO 3y agoI don't care. Before, people would look out for each other and treat everyone with respect, regardless of clothing and style. Tik Tok ravers tend do to the opposite. Let people die on the fucking curb, being an asshat, just go to raves to take all drugs at once. I'm no the only one who thinks that way. This is a very big debate, especially in Germany. So what's wrong with tik tok ravers? They bring their fucking consumerism into a culture that they don't care for, destroying it in the process. If you want to look into this more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WauGLIefYrg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WauGLIefYrg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk6wqKqygDw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk6wqKqygDw watch with subs if needed.
- jdietrich 3y agoIf you were to ask a British raver of a certain age, they'd tell you that Berghain and Kit Kat in their prime were nothing compared to Shelley's Laserdome, Bagley's or the Doncaster Warehouse, which were themselves pale imitations of the summer of '89.
- jamiek88 3y agoYeah i was thinking back to Cream (and other nights) at Nation in Liverpool early nineties and the Manchester scene. Mates dj’d downstairs at Baa Bar and we were just kids really. Some fucking great times. Fucked my hearing though, wear earplugs at the rave, kids.
- dartharva 3y agoI bet an exactly similar kind of oversimplified, nitpicking rant must have been made for the punk culture of your time by your elders, and the same for them, ad infinitum. There seems to be a psycho-social aspect to these generational agitations, whatever new thing the young ones bring will always be seen in the worst possible way by their elders in every generation.
- spacemadness 3y agoI feel like this could have been written over a decade ago during the rise of instagram.
- kredd 3y agoTikTok is fairly bit different as the algo can promote any random video to everyone in the world. A decade ago instagram was more of a “one-to-your-followers”. So you get these potential views from everywhere. It also promotes novelty and ever-changing trends, so it’s hard to put a finger where is positive and negative impact. But yeah, we definitely complained about instagram a decade ago as well. Maybe we are getting old!
- xfeeefeee 3y agoI've been going to raves and festivals since the 90s and the current culture is great! I mean yeah it's different but still pretty much the same. Reading some of the anecdotes here I can't help but think that people are glossing over the same issues in the past. And yeah it is true that DJs have become a centerpiece rather than someone behind the scenes... but the experience itself has evolved with amazing visual performance art, especially with all the LED stuff and lasers and etc that are so prolific now. I've seen people treated terribly 25 years ago and today; at the same time I've seen people being generous and caring as well. There is a huge difference as well for lgbtq people at these places, the inclusivity has dramatically improved. Just saying, destroyed? Come on.
- flkenosad 3y agoYeah but like we used to come for the sound, not a light show.
- DoingIsLearning 3y agoThe whole concept around Thunderdome was as much visual as it was auditory, and the first Thunderdome was in 1992, none of it is new.
- vidarh 3y agoMaybe you did. When I used to go to raves in the 90's, where I went it was all heavy on the light shows and people painted in fluorescent colours in response to it. The sound was part of it, but I could listen to music at home.
- RamblingCTO 3y agoI don't think you're based in Germany if that's your experience. I linked two short documentaries in another comment, but basically: tik tok kids don't adhere to safer drug use at all. Outfits and photos are not the worst thing. Overdoses are on a high. At the same time, looking out for each other is not something they tend to do. Especially at "illegal" raves, we have a very big problem of Gen Z not helping folks who feel unwell, leading to people dying on the floor. This is not a "the new generation is shit" argument. I despise tik tok ravers, not the gen z per se. > There is a huge difference as well for lgbtq people at these places, the inclusivity has dramatically improved. I don't understand where you're coming from. In Germany this was never a problem. Nobody gave a shit who you are and how you're dressed.
- projectazorian 3y agoIt’s all just status. You can wear whatever you want and if you’ve got clout with the staff, or if you’re with someone else who is high status, you’ll get in. Otherwise it’s a coin flip unless you’re clearly intoxicated, belligerent, etc. Same as it ever was. You just didn’t recognize it because you were younger and in clubland youth is the only status currency that’s zero effort to acquire.
- thesaintlives 3y agoAs simple as that. You know someone you will get in. You don't and it's random. End. No thanks.
- tern 3y agoThe edge of rave culture in Berlin is moving more toward ambient music and healing / spirituality. I think this is because freedom is no longer so political in the West. Moving your body the way you want to and being accepted for who you are is mainstream, and kids who've grown up with that are now looking for deeper sources of meaning.
- yieldcrv 3y agoravers are amazing right now. you guys can act nostalgic about $5 cover charges at farmhouses in the middle of the woods, but that stuff was objectively horrible. smoke filled, counterculture only people, dingy. I love the crowd that comes to these $600 music festivals, they're sexy and maintain good jobs or wealth, good support systems, can talk deeply about many technical topics, second hand smoke is sparse, and the production value increased to match! oh no, phones. like what? this didn't start post pandemic. you have a missing decade and I'm not even going to ask. edit: saw some of your other comments on this topic, this category of person is a big matter of discussion in Germany it seems. I think its silly to just put Tik Tok as an adjective on everything you don't like because I see that in other fields too. There are certain behaviors it seems some people are doing that are different than the ones you highlighted.
- RamblingCTO 3y agoI don't really understand you, sorry! Sounds partly sarcastic to me. > I think its silly to just put Tik Tok as an adjective on everything you don't like because I see that in other fields too. There are certain behaviors it seems some people are doing that are different than the ones you highlighted. Well, I do because it's the only thing I can say something about. It's not a category I put on everyone I don't like but it's a term that's shared and quite clearly defined in a very narrow discussion about techno and the pandemic. It only partially relates to the overall tik tok consumerism discussion.