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Well... this is justice. Sadly, we don't get to see justice very often. This is life in prison, correct? I know he hasn't been sentenced but all counts is easil
by AustinDev 3y ago
Well... this is justice. Sadly, we don't get to see justice very often. This is life in prison, correct? I know he hasn't been sentenced but all counts is easily several life sentences at the federal level.
When do the parents go on trial? I can't see how they make it out of this without at least having all their ill-begotten assets stripped.
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- beezle 3y agoProbably a lot of concurrent sentences
- eep_social 3y ago115 years maximum. I haven’t been following the judge closely enough to have a feel for how much they’re going to throw the book vs let him off but I have to imagine it’ll be the book given his attitude throughout. But that one rapist, Brock Turner, did like a year of community service so you never know. edit: Also seeing 110 years, TechCrunch said 115 here: https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/02/sam-bankman-fried-found-guilty-on-all-seven-counts/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/02/sam-bankman-fried-found-gu...
- Vicinity9635 3y agoBrock Turner got probation. I'd rather go to prison than go on probation. I know a cop that feels the same way. The people that think he got off easy don't know how awful probation is.
- woodruffw 3y agoMaybe you could educate us.
- throwaway5959 3y agoWhy is that?
- Vicinity9635 3y agoIn prison you have no freedom, but no responsiblities. With probation you have fake freedom with a bunch of extra shit you have to do - and pay for - yourself. This is from NC, but look at "Common violations": https://www.browninglonglaw.com/library/common-violations-and-consequences-of-probation.cfm https://www.browninglonglaw.com/library/common-violations-an... Miss an appointment because of a car accident? Probation violation. Miss a court hearing due to traffic? Probation violation. Don't pay fines or restitution because you're broke? Probation violation. Miss community service because you're sick? Probation violation. Not employed because the economy is in the shitter and no one will hire a felon? Probation violation. There are so many ways to get fucked that are out of your control and the punishment can be prison anyway. So it's all the downsides of prison - because you can still end up there - but with a bunch of extra life disrupting headaches that are super stressful because the consequences are harsh. And you have to pay for all of it yourself. Like I said, I know a cop that would take prison over probation. A cop.
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- SoftTalker 3y agoYeah they force you to do things that regular people do. Be on time, keep a job, and pay your bills. It's just terrible.
- Vicinity9635 3y agoThe consequence for those isn't going to prison. Isn't snark supposed to be against the rules here?
- SoftTalker 3y agoIt’s the alternative to prison. What would you require if it were up to you?
- kstrauser 3y agoSay what? My brother’s a probation officer. I’d 100x rather be under a PO’s thumb and sleeping next to my own wife in my own bed in my own house than to live in even a minimum security prison. Probation sucks. The only thing it sucks less than is prison.
- Vicinity9635 3y agoPrison sucks. The only thing it sucks less than is probation.
- lazide 3y agoConsidering how easy it is to get sent back to prison if you’re in probation, it seems like you’re a small minority!
- salamanderss 3y agoMinority, but not small. Something like 40% do not complete probation.
- mcpackieh 3y agoIs that because they want to be in prison, or because they're fuckups who think they can get away with violating the terms of their probation but get caught?
- lcw 3y agoI think mileage varies man. You get a good probation officer and can basically do as you please. You get a crappy one and they show up randomly everywhere. It also depends on if you are pushing the rules. If your probation officer doesn't trust you it's going to be a bad time
- qup 3y agoI'll get a remote job and eat poptarts delivered by amazon. I won't leave the damn house unless the PO says I have to. He can show up and watch me program anytime he likes.
- voisin 3y agoCan you elaborate?
- SnorkelTan 3y agoProbation is really only horrible for people that don’t plan on changing. Source: friends on probation who have changed the way they live and friends that didn’t.
- raverbashing 3y ago"plan on changing" Yeah. The fact that they're in probation in the first place is probably because they have a hard time acting like adults in the first place and haven't past the stage of "kid throwing a fit" except in an adult's body
- HelloMcFly 3y agoKnowing someone who spent a few years in jail, there is no way they'd agree. Maybe a year on probation is more of a hassle than a year in jail (I don't think so, but acknowledge the possibility), but whatever generous spirit I'll give to this balance gets more and more out of whack the more time we're talking. And Brock shouldn't have been looking at one year in jail, he should have been looking at something a little more standard for the crime of sexual assault. > The people that think he got off easy He got off easy, give me a break..
- Vicinity9635 3y ago[flagged]
- HelloMcFly 3y agoWhat do you think the standard punishment for sexual assault should be? 100 hours community service? One year in jail, no chance for probation (seeing as how it's "worse" and all, even though it's basically an option to live outside jail or go straight to it if you'd prefer to as you claim so many do)?
- eep_social 3y agoWell shit, I sure did not consider the possibility that mentioning the canonical example of sentencing shenanigans would bring someone garbage enough to defend a rapist out of the woodwork, but here we are. FTR, I’ve been on probation and therefore must vehemently disagree with your uninformed second-hand opinion.
- Vicinity9635 3y ago>defend a rapist This strawman fallacy ruins any credibility the rest of your comment might have had.
- eep_social 3y agoRight, my credibility does seem to what’s at stake here.
- dylan604 3y agoHave all of the people scammed been brought whole? That would be justice. Someone sitting in jail isn't justice. It is punishment for his actions. I've never understood how someone being incarcerated has become considered justice.
- Xeoncross 3y agoPrior to justice-by-committee a lot of societies didn't have jails. Either what you did was so bad we need to end your life or you need to find a way to repay it even if you have to work for free as a slave to earn the money. I don't think that would work today, but what we have today doesn't work either.
- pfannkuchen 3y agoDon’t forget banishment, which isn’t really an option today. Though I don’t see why some large chunk of federal land couldn’t be designated as a banishment target.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y agoAlso don’t forget corporal punishments. Whippings, branding, amputations were common punishments.
- jtsuken 3y agoI feel like Elon Musk is about to propose a tech-driven innovative solution to this centuries old problem.
- pfannkuchen 3y agoBanishment to Mars?
- rurp 3y agoIn many historical contexts banishment was basically equivalent to a death sentence.
- tempsy 3y agoI think no less than 20 years but not sure about life either. SBF did not do himself any favors with his smug attitude that caused the judge himself to scold him several times during his examination. If he was a little more remorseful I could’ve seen some more leniency but the Judge did not like his attitude from what I could read following his testimony.
- underseacables 3y agoFirst time offender, I bet he gets maybe 10 years. I was optimistic that he would be found guilty, but not on the same level as Elizabeth Holmes. She could've killed people, SBF… I think he might actually only get maybe 10 years or less.
- tempsy 3y agoEh disagree. Holmes got more than 10 years but she didn’t even try to profit by selling shares or borrowing against shares to buy a bunch of things. The scale of the financial fraud is enormous and on top of that they spent hundreds of millions of it on luxury items and influence peddling. Would be shocked if he got less than Holmes.
- SoftTalker 3y agoMichael Milken got 10 years, ended up serving 22 months, but he took a plea deal and was cooperative in other ways. SBF might have gotten similar if he had shown some contrition and taken a deal. The way he played it, he's more likely to get the book thrown at him.
- filmgirlcw 3y agoYeah Milken was responsible for way more financial crimes and actively profited off of literally manipulating the market and causing a major crash and he did 22 months and then got a pardon, but as you said, he cut a deal. Because he might be a terrible person but he’s smart and has competent lawyers.
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- xkekjrktllss 3y ago> Sadly, we don't get to see justice very often. A few token condemnations for the headlines is all it takes.
- dmvdoug 3y agoThat’s not how sentencing works. You can’t just add up the counts and get a number. Federal sentencing involves a Byzantine process, starting with the federal sentencing guidelines. I am not even going to attempt to wade into that since it makes even federal criminal lawyers get twitchy. That said, Ken White (a.k.a. Popehat) has suggested the time in prison would be substantial. So if/when he gets out, he’ll be elderly.
- bsjaux628 3y agoExplanation https://youtu.be/kr8gSdJ_Ggw?t=4m32s https://youtu.be/kr8gSdJ_Ggw?t=4m32s Quite complex certainly
- carabiner 3y agoThe crypto Bankman will not be Fried for a long time.
- deaddodo 3y ago> That’s not how sentencing works. You can’t just add up the counts and get a number. Federal sentencing involves a Byzantine process, starting with the federal sentencing guidelines. In what way? Deciding the sentence may be complicated, sure; mostly due to the fact that the US system (ideally) wants to be lenient on first-time or very occasional offenders and strict on habitual offenders. (Which isn't always how it works, sadly, due to judge biases) However, once you receive your sentence, it's relatively simple. You get a charge or multiple charges with a length of stay and an eligibility for parole condition. It then gets marked "concurrent" (time in prison, after the sentencing date, for other crimes counts towards its requirements) or "consecutive" (its time needs to be served independent of other charges). From there, you start with all of the consecutive terms lined up in order of severity and the concurrent ones stacked alongside. There are sometimes other terms for release, but they're usually enumerated pretty well. That all being to say, your answer doesn't really answer the person who's asking. It's relatively easy to figure out the release date and minimum parole date from that. In fact, both are usually listed clearly on their sentencing documents.
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- buitreVirtual 3y agoHow did the other FTX kids get away with it so easy? It feels like prosecutors gave them deals too generous just to get SBF convicted more easily.
- SoftTalker 3y agoThey almost always let the small fish go to get the big fish. They did the same thing when they took apart the New York Mafia in the 1980s.
- filmgirlcw 3y agoWe don’t know yet. They’ll get consideration for sure but it is unclear where on the Nxivm scale of sex cult enablers they’ll get. In the case of Nxivm, Raniere got life in prison but two of the biggest enablers of the sex cult, his co-founder Nancy Salzman and Smallville’s Allison Mack, are both already out of jail. Clare Bronfman who was primarily on the money and intimidation stuff was sentence to 81 months and I think that was the highest of all the accomplices who turned against him and pled out. Personally, I feel like someone like Allison Mack did way worse crimes than the uggos in the FTX polycule, but I don’t know enough about the sentencing statutes here to know if they’ll get more time or not. I feel like they will, but we’ll see I guess.
- jihadjihad 3y agoThey pleaded guilty to federal felonies. I wouldn't call it getting away with it so easy, even if after sentencing they don't face much serious prison time. The whole point of the trial, corroborated by the "kid" witnesses, was that SBF was calling the shots and thus 1) his crimes were far more serious and 2) the mountain of evidence made the prosecution's case so strong as to make the idea of a "sweetheart" deal for him moot.
- raverbashing 3y agoThey took the advice of their lawyers. That's some 90% of it
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- LeoPanthera 3y agoIs it Justice? Who is being made whole? What wrong is being made right? Because it doesn't look like justice. It looks like revenge. The US justice system doesn't mete out justice, it provides revenge.
- ceejayoz 3y agoWhat would justice look like here, to you?
- MrRolleyes 3y ago> Well... this is justice. Under a punitive justice system like we have in the US—sure. It doesn't seem to have improved anything at first glance, though.
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- glerk 3y ago> this is justice Meh. This is society taking revenge on an individual by locking him up and offering him no chance for redemption. Maybe that's the best form of "justice" we can do for now, but let's not celebrate it too much.