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It's not just that someone else will know that you have chlamydia, it's that they have your data and you don't know what they will do with it. We don't know wha

It's not just that someone else will know that you have chlamydia, it's that they have your data and you don't know what they will do with it. We don't know what they can do and there could be more serious stuff.

kwanbix 3y ago
What do you think they can do?
- GrinningFool 3y ago
  Get hacked, phished, or otherwise expose the data to the world. Personal data should be toxic with high potential liability costs. This would naturally cause companies to limit their data retention and use.
- mcv 3y ago
  Sell it. Health insurance companies are always interested in more details about your health so they can adjust your premium accordingly. Or use it for excuses to deny coverage.
  - kwanbix 3y ago
    So what you need to do is regulate what they can do with the data, not forbid personalized ads. By the way, here in Europe we have universal healthcare, maybe is something the US should consider?
    - thfuran 3y ago
      Is there any good reason not to both legally protect privacy and ban the largest part of the market for the invasively collected data (which seems to me to fall nearly under regulating what can be done with the data)?
      - kwanbix 3y ago
        Are you willing to pay for all internet websites then?
        mcv 3y ago
        Banning personalised ads does not mean banning all ads. Although personally, I'm no fan of any kind of ads, and I wouldn't mind if the entire ad industry disappeared. And if that means ad-driven websites disappear too, I don't see that as a big loss. The best websites are not ad-driven.
        kwanbix 3y ago
        Do you think a generic ad has the same value as a personalzied ad?
        mcv 3y ago
        I think they're all worthless.
        RestlessMind 3y ago
        You are wrong. Personalized ads are worth far more to advertisers and publishers. Also to the end users based on their actual behavior. Source - worked on ads for a few years at FAANG.
        mcv 3y ago
        Yeah, but they're worthless to me. I don't think I've ever clicked one of those personalised ads. Their personalisation sucks, they generally show stuff that's not remotely relevant to me, and I've long ago learned not to click any ads.
        RestlessMind 3y ago
        > Banning personalised ads does not mean banning all ads. People prefer personalized ads. I know many friends who like Instagram ads, but don't care about ads on some random news site.
    - drcongo 3y ago
      We don't have universal life insurance in Europe though, maybe think things through a bit. Your arguments are so thin and bad faith that I'm convinced you're just trolling now.
      - kwanbix 3y ago
        What do you mean? Of course we have universal healthcare, at least in Germany we have, and in Spain also, same for Switzerland, and Netherlands. But is funny, people want all (most?) things free, nobody wants to pay for news for example, but they don't want ads at the same time. Makes no sense at all.
        drcongo 3y ago
        > What do you mean? Of course we have universal healthcare, at least in Germany we have, and in Spain also, same for Switzerland, and Netherlands. Healthcare != life insurance - they're very different things. Are you deliberately conflating them because it suits your argument? > But is funny, people want all (most?) things free, nobody wants to pay for news for example, but they don't want ads at the same time. Again, you're conflating two groups of people because it suits your internal narrative and makes you feel superior. I don't want ads, but I'm happy to pay for things, and I'm also happy to just not use a service that wants to spy on me and sell my data like YouTube and Facebook. According to your statement I don't exist. > Makes no sense at all. That's because you've made it all up.
    - RestlessMind 3y ago
      Only a minority of the world population has universal healthcare. There is a big world outside of Europe and the US and most of it lacks healthcare. Maybe we should focus on the first order problem (for this thread) rather than trying to bring universal healthcare to the entire world (impossible in our lifetime).

kwanbix 3y ago

What do you think they can do?

GrinningFool 3y ago
Get hacked, phished, or otherwise expose the data to the world. Personal data should be toxic with high potential liability costs. This would naturally cause companies to limit their data retention and use.
mcv 3y ago
Sell it. Health insurance companies are always interested in more details about your health so they can adjust your premium accordingly. Or use it for excuses to deny coverage.
- kwanbix 3y ago
  So what you need to do is regulate what they can do with the data, not forbid personalized ads. By the way, here in Europe we have universal healthcare, maybe is something the US should consider?
  - thfuran 3y ago
    Is there any good reason not to both legally protect privacy and ban the largest part of the market for the invasively collected data (which seems to me to fall nearly under regulating what can be done with the data)?
    - kwanbix 3y ago
      Are you willing to pay for all internet websites then?
      - mcv 3y ago
        Banning personalised ads does not mean banning all ads. Although personally, I'm no fan of any kind of ads, and I wouldn't mind if the entire ad industry disappeared. And if that means ad-driven websites disappear too, I don't see that as a big loss. The best websites are not ad-driven.
        kwanbix 3y ago
        Do you think a generic ad has the same value as a personalzied ad?
        mcv 3y ago
        I think they're all worthless.
        RestlessMind 3y ago
        You are wrong. Personalized ads are worth far more to advertisers and publishers. Also to the end users based on their actual behavior. Source - worked on ads for a few years at FAANG.
        mcv 3y ago
        Yeah, but they're worthless to me. I don't think I've ever clicked one of those personalised ads. Their personalisation sucks, they generally show stuff that's not remotely relevant to me, and I've long ago learned not to click any ads.
        RestlessMind 3y ago
        > Banning personalised ads does not mean banning all ads. People prefer personalized ads. I know many friends who like Instagram ads, but don't care about ads on some random news site.
  - drcongo 3y ago
    We don't have universal life insurance in Europe though, maybe think things through a bit. Your arguments are so thin and bad faith that I'm convinced you're just trolling now.
    - kwanbix 3y ago
      What do you mean? Of course we have universal healthcare, at least in Germany we have, and in Spain also, same for Switzerland, and Netherlands. But is funny, people want all (most?) things free, nobody wants to pay for news for example, but they don't want ads at the same time. Makes no sense at all.
      - drcongo 3y ago
        > What do you mean? Of course we have universal healthcare, at least in Germany we have, and in Spain also, same for Switzerland, and Netherlands. Healthcare != life insurance - they're very different things. Are you deliberately conflating them because it suits your argument? > But is funny, people want all (most?) things free, nobody wants to pay for news for example, but they don't want ads at the same time. Again, you're conflating two groups of people because it suits your internal narrative and makes you feel superior. I don't want ads, but I'm happy to pay for things, and I'm also happy to just not use a service that wants to spy on me and sell my data like YouTube and Facebook. According to your statement I don't exist. > Makes no sense at all. That's because you've made it all up.
  - RestlessMind 3y ago
    Only a minority of the world population has universal healthcare. There is a big world outside of Europe and the US and most of it lacks healthcare. Maybe we should focus on the first order problem (for this thread) rather than trying to bring universal healthcare to the entire world (impossible in our lifetime).