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> Avoid sugar like the plague, [...]including to a lesser extent natural sugar (apples, bananas, pears, etc - we’ve “weaponized” these fruits in the last few hu
by daco 3y ago
> Avoid sugar like the plague, [...]including to a lesser extent natural sugar (apples, bananas, pears, etc - we’ve “weaponized” these fruits in the last few hundred years via strong artificial selection into actual candy bars), berries are ~okay.
Is avoiding fruits a good recommendation?
- huytersd 3y agoI don’t know but I want this answered.
- Elucalidavah 3y ago> Is avoiding fruits a good recommendation? Completely avoiding - no. Reducing fruit consumption to some sensible level - definitely. Hence "to a lesser extent".
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- hoseja 3y agoSugarphobia is probably a fad too, along with seedoilphobia etc. Just eat balanced.
- thaumaturgy 3y agoIf you need a sweet treat, some fruit is fine. If you're just starting to work on your diet and health, and you're trading fruit for chips or cake or any other "hyper-palatable" foods, great! Fresh fruit is undeniably a better choice. But, fruit juice is approximately as good for you as any soda, and as you try to optimize your diet more and more, you'll want more fibrous fruits, less sugary fruits, and eventually a little bit less fruit overall. But by then you'll already be pretty familiar with your goals and diet and how various foods fit in to them.
- g-b-r 3y agoI think there's a big distinction to make between 100% fruit juice and normal fruit juice though
- rolisz 3y agoNope. A glass of freshly squeezed oranges has more calories than a can of Coke and the impact on your blood sugar is similar.
- jb1991 3y ago“Normal” fruit juice is 100% fruit juice, isn’t it? Why would there be a distinction to be made between these two? Anything that’s not 100% juice isn’t really juice. It’s typically marketed as a fruit “drink“.
- liampulles 3y agoIndeed - the language can be subtle... sometimes the box says something like "100% pure fruit juice BLEND". If I mix 99% motor oil with 1% strawberry, that is a 100% pure fruit juice BLEND!
- g-b-r 3y agoYes, at least in my country (in Europe) I'm pretty sure that it's a recent trend to favor 100% single-fruit juices. And I've seen the traditional juice fruite producers come up with increasingly comical/tragic ways to address it: HUGE 100%, miniscule "natural ingredients" below it (so no motor oil at least xD ) HUGE name of a specific fruit, such specific fruit all over the box, big "100% fruit" and label saying 99.9999 apple, 0.0001 specificfruit powdered extract
- g-b-r 3y agoHave you ever read a juice label?? In my country anything that's not marked "100% FRUIT" (without asterisks) has at least a truckload of added sugar! And 100% fruit juices have become more widespread only in the last years... (they're still less than a third than the juices you see on a shelf)
- Mistletoe 3y agoI’d say in general no. Show me any unhealthy person that is that way from eating lots of fruits. When you dig deeper, it’s always the Little Debbie snacks they have in the cabinet and the fast food. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6315720/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6315720/
- majkinetor 3y agoI will show you 1: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/influencer-who-promoted-virtues-of-fruit-only-diet-dies-aged-39-of-malnutrition/ar-AA1eEyjI https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/influencer-who-promot...
- majkinetor 3y agoYes. There is almost nothing in fruit worth taking. Especially not a tremendous amount of sugar. One apple can have amounts of sugar similar to Coca-Cola. Furthermore, a lot of it is fructose, which is basically a poison to the body. The sole purpose of human adaptations to fruit seems to be fattening, which makes evolutionary sense for survival in the time of scarcity, but not when you have food in abundance all the time. Note that it's also true that todays fruit is 'weaponized' by long-lasting preference to sugary variants so it contains much more sugar then in historic times and a lot less of other things like vitamins and minerals. One other important reason is that such amount of sugar will block vitamin C as they are absorbed via the same mechanism (GLUT2). Blocking vitamin C absorption leads to all sorts of bad things, slowly, like lower immunity, higher cholesterol, fragile blood vessels. The third important aspect is cancer feeding (which mostly relies on sugar, so even though the body makes it, you certainly do not have to ignite it) and effects on insulin which dysfunction is tied to both cancer and diabetes. You should replace them with vegetables. As a personal anecdote, my family and I almost never eat fruit (in last 20 years or so) - at most a couple of times per year. We all seem very healthy.
- epups 3y agoThere is plenty of good stuff in fruits other than sugar. They are a great source of fiber and vitamin C, for example. Your overall point is worth reiterating, which is that fruits are not automatically "healthy", and may contain large amounts of calories and sugar.
- majkinetor 3y agoNo, there is not. Apart from some berries (particularly raspberry and blueberry) most of it is junk food that makes you fat, rises triglyceride and damages the liver. Fruit is not a great source of vitamin C for the reason I mentioned. Red paprika is way better source for example, then any fruit. You better take a supplement too, liposomal variant if possible and/or film tablets. You can get fiber from other, way more healthy foods, like quinoa seeds. Many people also remove fibers by juicing fruit, which is particularly unhealthy.
- DeWilde 3y agoDepends what fruit and depends in what amount. You can safely eat 200 grams of tomatoes as the sugar and calorie amount is pretty low but it will make you feel satiated. Meanwhile 100 grams of banana will have 5 times the sugar and calories of tomatoes (for 100g) but still is pretty fine if you restrict yourself at that 1 small banana. 200 grams of an apple is also pretty safe and is a nice snack.
- Danjoe4 3y agoAvoiding fruits only comes after cutting out all processed sugar, or added sugar on the label. Then you should cut out all processed grains. Flour is basically powdered carbohydrate, which spikes your insulin in a manner not much different from table sugar. Then you can look at sugar. I would still include berries, they're low cal and the antioxidant content is insane. Basically, you need to earn your carbs. Sugar is fine if you burn it off, that's why athletes drink Gatorade mid workout. If you eat an apple before a walk/jog/swim/etc, there's no issue. If you eat a pile of bananas while doing nothing, that glycogen has to go somewhere.
- strken 3y agoProbably not, unless your diet is already very good. Fruit is high in fibre and micronutrients relative to the average diet, is reasonably satiating, and is difficult to eat too much of without shoving into a blender or juicing. If you're a biohacker, fruit's your biggest remaining problem, you've replaced the micronutrients with other sources, and you don't need fast burn energy, sure.
- tpush 3y agoNo, it's a nonsense recommendation.
- alpaca128 3y agoThe point about artificial selection is not far off, there was some news about a zoo having to switch to other food because today's fruits were starting to rot the animals' teeth [0]. But in moderation and ideally sourced locally it's probably fine. [0] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6223529/Melbourne-Zoo-stops-giving-fruit-animals-making-fat-rotting-teeth.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6223529/Melbourne-Z...
- majkinetor 3y agoVery nice find, and proves my points listed here. Even if you are not responding to sugar bad in your body, your teeth are fucked for sure.